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Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: His child] #181810
11/02/16 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: kland
Where in the Bible does it say to restart the count of heads after the healing of the wound to the head?


Revelation 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast."

The head was wounded in 1798. So this text cannot be referring to the wounded head but to the papacy after "his deadly wound was healed"
You are saying that head cannot be referring to head?

You defined head as pope, right?

So you are saying the wounded head cannot be referring to a pope, right?

But my question was, Where in the Bible does it say to restart the count of heads after the healing of the wound to the head?

Can you answer that?

One glaring issue is where is the Biblical support to start any count at 1929. I am still waiting for an answer.


Re 13:1 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

Re 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.



Re 17:7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.

Re 17:9 "Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Re 17:10 "There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
Re 17:11 "And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.


I see nothing in here that says you are to start numbering one set of heads at the healing of the wound of the other set of heads.

Can you show us?

Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: kland] #181825
11/05/16 12:59 AM
11/05/16 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
You are saying that head cannot be referring to head?


I do not understand What you are asking?

Originally Posted By: kland

You defined head as pope, right?


no. The Spirit of prophecy and the Bible say it. I just believe a thus saith the LORD.

Quote:
Pius VI...This is the pope specified in prophecy, which received the deadly wound. {5MR 318.1}


The pope specified received the deadly wound. Was a pope specified?
Read the prophecy.

Quote:
Revelation 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death"


The prophecy specifies that a head was wounded and the Spirit of Prophecy states that it was pope (Pius VI) who was the one specified in the prophecy that received the wound.

Originally Posted By: kland
So you are saying the wounded head cannot be referring to a pope, right?


NO

Originally Posted By: kland

But my question was, Where in the Bible does it say to restart the count of heads after the healing of the wound to the head?

Can you answer that?[quote]

The text itself states:[quote]Revelation 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast."


the head/Pope Pius VI was wounded to death. BUT the prophecy did not stop there it moved onto the phase of the beast when "his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast"

After the wound was healed in 1929, the world wondered after the popes. The world did not wonder after the popes while the papacy was dead. The world did not wonder after the popes between 1798 - 1928; the world wondered after the healed heads especially John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I & II.

Originally Posted By: kland


One glaring issue is where is the Biblical support to start any count at 1929. I am still waiting for an answer.


Re 13:1 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

Re 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.



Re 17:7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.

Re 17:9 "Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Re 17:10 "There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
Re 17:11 "And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.


I see nothing in here that says you are to start numbering one set of heads at the healing of the wound of the other set of heads.

Can you show us?



If you do not see it, go to the Holy Spirit and ask for discernment.

I saw it after Bible study and much prayer and was able to predict that Benedict would not be pope after the Spring of 2013 and I said that 8 times between 9/30/2011- 9/30/2012 long before it happened FROM Bible study and prayer.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: His child] #181836
11/07/16 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: kland
You are saying that head cannot be referring to head?


I do not understand What you are asking?
Likewise, I did not understand what you were saying.

Quote:
Originally Posted By: kland

You defined head as pope, right?


no. The Spirit of prophecy and the Bible say it. I just believe a thus saith the LORD.
Maybe you could show us from scripture where the Bible says a head is a pope?

Quote:
Quote:
Pius VI...This is the pope specified in prophecy, which received the deadly wound. {5MR 318.1}


The pope specified received the deadly wound. Was a pope specified?
Read the prophecy.

So if a pope is a head, and a pope received the deadly wound, that would be pope and head number 5.
Why don't you believe prophecy?

Quote:
Quote:
Revelation 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death"


The prophecy specifies that a head was wounded and the Spirit of Prophecy states that it was pope (Pius VI) who was the one specified in the prophecy that received the wound.
So believe your own writings.
Pius VI is number 5.
Pius XI would be number 6.
Pius XII would be number 7.

Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: kland] #181839
11/08/16 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland

Pius VI is number 5.
Pius XI would be number 6.
Pius XII would be number 7.


How do you determine that Pope Pius Vi was number 5?


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: Rick H] #181861
11/09/16 02:46 PM
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He received the deadly wound. Isn't that what you've said?

Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: kland] #181867
11/10/16 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
He received the deadly wound. Isn't that what you've said?


How then do you count him as #5 relating to the fact that he received the deadly wound?


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: Rick H] #181871
11/11/16 03:32 PM
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If you're objecting to Pius Vi being number 5, which I thought you had said, then what number do you call him?

Re 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.

We looked upon the bust of Pius VI. The marble statue beneath the bust contained the heart of the pope. This is the pope specified in prophecy, which received the deadly wound.
{5MR 318.1}

Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: kland] #181879
11/12/16 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
If you're objecting to Pius Vi being number 5, which I thought you had said, then what number do you call him?

Re 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.

We looked upon the bust of Pius VI. The marble statue beneath the bust contained the heart of the pope. This is the pope specified in prophecy, which received the deadly wound.
{5MR 318.1}


Miscommunication is often a problem that prevents meaningful dialog.

The prophecy divides the popes into 2 groups.
1) The beast head received the deadly wound
2) The deadly wound was healed;

Pope Pius VI was the one that was wounded.
The counting of the healed heads begins with Pius XI

It is the same head in that its name is Pius
but it is different men/popes

The 1260-years (538-1798) ended when Pius VI received his wound

And the prophecy resumes with the 7 popes that had their kingdom restored to them

There have only been 7 popes who ruled as solo popes since 1929

Pius XI
Pius XII
John XXIII
Paul VI
John-Paul I
John-Paul II
Benedict XVI

(Pope Francis is a dual monarch pope since Benedict is still alive)

The papal-beast is identified in the stage when its deadly wound is healed, it has 7 heads/popes, & then the prophecy moves to the American beast.

The earth-beast/American beast has two horns. Daniel 8 :21 identifies a horn as a king (ruler/President). At the onset of the reign of Pope Benedict, Bush I ruled America. At the end of the reign of Pope Benedict, Obama ruled America.

Christ Comes while Obama is President.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: Rick H] #181894
11/13/16 06:52 AM
11/13/16 06:52 AM
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Interesting how the speculators keep stretching things out to try and accommodate changes that upset former speculations.

Pope Francis is a Solo pope!
One can't just ignore him because he doesn't fit.
There are not two popes ruling, any more than there are five presidents ruling in the USA -- (Carter, Bush 1, Bill Clinton, Bush 2) are all still alive.

Besides horns symbolize government power, not individuals.
Daniel 8's he-goat shows Greece first had "one" horn (one powerful government) as it went forth to conquer, but then split into four competing powers or governments.

The earth beast of Revelation 13 has a "two horn" government, which inspiration tells us shows a country that has separated religious power from political power.

Its power is based on two lamb-like (peaceful) horns — free religion (not forced by the state) and free civil government (not bound by a specific religion). Previously church and state had been united each bound by the other.


Quote:
" Republicanism and Protestantism became the fundamental principles of the nation. These principles are the secret of its power and prosperity. {GC 441.2}
And the lamb-like horns, emblems of innocence and gentleness, well represent the character of our government, as expressed in its two fundamental principles, Republicanism and Protestantism. {Mar 193.3}

Horns = power.
Republicanism and Protestantism are the secret of USA power.

When the USA renounces this secret of her power national ruin results.

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The people of the United States have been a favored people; but when they restrict religious liberty, surrender Protestantism, and give countenance to popery, the measure of their guilt will be full, and "national apostasy" will be registered in the books of heaven. The result of this apostasy will be national ruin. {Mar 216.2}

Re: Are we at the close of probation? [Re: dedication] #181898
11/13/16 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Interesting how the speculators keep stretching things out to try and accommodate changes that upset former speculations.

Pope Francis is a Solo pope!
One can't just ignore him because he doesn't fit.
There are not two popes ruling, any more than there are five presidents ruling in the USA -- (Carter, Bush 1, Bill Clinton, Bush 2) are all still alive.

Besides horns symbolize government power, not individuals.
Daniel 8's he-goat shows Greece first had "one" horn (one powerful government) as it went forth to conquer, but then split into four competing powers or governments.

The earth beast of Revelation 13 has a "two horn" government, which inspiration tells us shows a country that has separated religious power from political power.

Its power is based on two lamb-like (peaceful) horns — free religion (not forced by the state) and free civil government (not bound by a specific religion). Previously church and state had been united each bound by the other.


Quote:
" Republicanism and Protestantism became the fundamental principles of the nation. These principles are the secret of its power and prosperity. {GC 441.2}
And the lamb-like horns, emblems of innocence and gentleness, well represent the character of our government, as expressed in its two fundamental principles, Republicanism and Protestantism. {Mar 193.3}

Horns = power.
Republicanism and Protestantism are the secret of USA power.

When the USA renounces this secret of her power national ruin results.

Quote:
The people of the United States have been a favored people; but when they restrict religious liberty, surrender Protestantism, and give countenance to popery, the measure of their guilt will be full, and "national apostasy" will be registered in the books of heaven. The result of this apostasy will be national ruin. {Mar 216.2}












Excellent post.

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