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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #182035
12/01/16 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: Elle
Originally Posted By: kland
Own money or not, if the "corrupt US establishment" was backing Hillary, no one else could win.

Unless it wasn't really "in power since WW2".

I think your deduction is not sound and very uninformed.

I'm distinguishing a difference between in power and temporarily in power. For if someone was truly in power, there is no other who could come in. Until they are no more in power. And I question then, if they were in power or only temporarily allowed at the helm.

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #182036
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Regarding the past mention of the luni-solar calendar:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_calendar
Counting from the new moon, the Babylonians celebrated every seventh day as a "holy-day", also called an "evil-day" (meaning "unsuitable" for prohibited activities) .
... On each of them, offerings were made to a different god and goddess, apparently at nightfall to avoid the prohibitions: Merodach and Ishtar on the 7th, Ninlil and Nergal on the 14th, Sin and Shamash on the 21st, and Enki and Mah on the 28th.
...
Among other theories of Shabbat origin, the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia advanced a theory of Assyriologists like Friedrich Delitzsch[2] that Shabbat originally arose from the lunar cycle,[3][4] containing four weeks ending in Sabbath, plus one or two additional unreckoned days per month.[5] The difficulties of this theory include reconciling the differences between an unbroken week and a lunar week, and explaining the absence of texts naming the lunar week as Shabbat in any language.[6]


So if you embrace that, would you not be of the Babylonian character rather than the non-Biblical idea of banking?

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: kland] #182054
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Originally Posted By: kland
Regarding the past mention of the luni-solar calendar

Sorry, I have no idea what you're referring to. Please provide link of the past discussion we had to give me an idea.

I'm not a "luni-solar calendar" believer. You may be confusing with someone else. I told you in the past in some other discussion that the Lord created all calendars and works in reference to any one of them if He pleases for executing whatever He wants on His appointed time ... of course He always works within the limit of His own Laws and the types He has establish in history. There's many time cyclic patterns He has established in the past that He works with including our Julian calendar.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #182055
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My comment : Below is a good compilation of the "potential fuses" to be lit to cause the collapse. These listed fuses explains some history and the problems. As Willem Middelkoop has mention in his interview, that the Chinese are not in a hurry and are long term planners. Willem thinks it's going to take around 40 years for the RESET transition to occur slowly and gradually.

I do expect that it will take some good time to fix this mess and have it functioning, tested, and bugs resolved.

Jim Willie has been stressing, that it is in the interest of the Chinese (and other countries who holds worthless US Treasury Notes) to extend the crash further down the road so they have more time to convert these worthless US Treasury notes to something that will retain its value.

Jim said : "When the collapse occurs, the solution will finally be discussed, the solution avoided for eight full years. THE GOLD STANDARD WILL BE INSTALLED. It will first arrive in the trade payment system. Then it will arrive in the banking reserves system. Lastly it will be seen in the gold backed currencies."

So Jim thinks the Gold Standard will come in 3 phases :

First : the trade payment system : This is the bilateral agreements between any two countries where the US Dollar is being removed as the trading currencies and will be replaced with an agreed International Gold based trade note where they are talking of setting the gold price to a starting $5000/oz.

Second : the banking reserves system : Major reform are currently being made at this level since 2012. The BRICS Development Bank and the AIIB and other newly created Banks needs to be able to facilitate the transactions of the new bilateral Agreements based on some sort of gold backed international note.

Third : the gold backed currencies : All currencies will undergo re-evaluation and a new gold backed currency will be distributed to the public. It will be interesting to see when the people will have the new rainbow colored dollar in their hands.

Criss-Crossed Fuses And Lit Bonfire

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1480267729.php

By Jim Willie
Sunday, 27 November 2016

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Many are the potential fuses to be lit, which would create the conflagration, the massive bonfire of the bond vanities and bank charades. Many are the fuses lying around, all criss-crossed, all exposed, all overlapping each other in highly dangerous manner. If any single fuse is lit, then several will light and the detonation arrives. It is unavoidable since the financial world is so deeply interwoven. Never in modern history has the global financial structure been so badly weakened, so totally corrupted, so thoroughly undermined by control mechanisms, so intensely defended by sanctions even war. In 2007 and early 2008, the Jackass warned of a mortgage bust that would alter the global system forever. It happened with far reaching consequences which endure to this day. In recent months the Jackass is warning of a Systemic Lehman event, where several major national systems are at heightened risk of a similar bust like what happened in September 2008. Except this time, the entire global financial system will erupt like a debt volcano, with several epicenters, all located in the West. The big Western banks are all lashed together, all tied to each other. The banker cabal believed that the interconnectivity within their bank structures would make them all immune to failure risk. The reality is that the failure of any one major bank guarantees the systemic breakdown of all of them. It will erupt like a cave-in of the flying buttresses at the Notre Dame in Paris, with numerous bank (churches) collapsing, all located in the West.

FINAL SOLUTION
When the collapse occurs, the solution will finally be discussed, the solution avoided for eight full years. THE GOLD STANDARD WILL BE INSTALLED. It will first arrive in the trade payment system. Then it will arrive in the banking reserves system. Lastly it will be seen in the gold backed currencies. The paper game has gone on since 2008 in grand style and unspeakable corruption.

This article attempts to list many threats to a systemic breakdown from ignition of several megatons of TNT dynamite. The financial press has often mentioned derivatives as capable of inflicting damage and devastation like with nuclear explosions. The systemic breakdown is due to occur soon, actually way overdue to occur. The prevention has been a massive global project run by the major central banks in coordination with a few ministries of finance. The primary control center is the USDept Treasury and their Exchange Stabilization Fund. This truly gigantic multi-$trillion fund is a very well-kept secret. Its recent activity has been to permit the USTreasury Bond yield to rise, but without pushing down the sacred USDollar. Not much mention has come from the sleepy lapdog financial press on this unusual anomaly. The motive is to keep the Japanese happy, since they are the last holdout among the $1 trillion USGovt debt holders. The Chinese are dumping USTBonds, but the United States cannot afford for Japan to dump USTBonds at the same time.

TOO MANY CRISS-CROSSED FUSES EXPOSED
The following are numerous potential lit fuses, with brief descriptions of the risk and effect. It is in no way complete as a list, but it might be somewhat comprehensive. No attempt will be made to be very thorough in the description of each potential fuse. That role is played with the Hat Trick Letter, with fallout effects discussed and analyzed in more thorough fashion.

Deutsche Bank failure
The actual failure has been going on for at least a couple years. Recall that D-Bank unwillingly accepted the merger & acquisition of Bankers Trust back in 1998. It became the European outpost for the rafts and scads of bank derivatives, managed outside the United States, free from regulation. The giant German bank has a net worth of around minus $1000 billion, or minus EUR 1000 billion, no matter the unit. All manner of relief and patchwork and emergency liquidity and false accounting and total lies are associated with this giant cesspool of a bank. They hold all types of ruined paper debt, and hold a mountain of Gold contracts which China wants to acquire. The New York and London crime center banks are vulnerable. When it blows out of control, the Western banks go poof and the USDollar dies.

USFed rate hike
The USFed might not be able to avoid an official rate hike. Ignore the fake rate hike in December 2015, which was really a Reverse REPO episode well concealed. That event permitted more leverage by the big US banks. In the last few months, the USTreasury Bond yields are all rising, including the short maturity. The long maturity might cause a derivative accident soon, since the Tower of Bond Babel cannot tolerate the big moves seen. The USFed might have to hike rates a notch, just to keep the short maturity of the USTreasurys from fracturing. But the long maturity is also at risk. When the hike comes, the Western banks go poof and the USDollar dies.

USDollar rejection in trade payments
The United States has been paying for its massive $500 billion trade deficit with paper IOU rubbish certificates called USTreasury Bills. The US nation has been a freeloader for over 20 years, lacking critical mass in industry, covering the bills with printed money of no intrinsic value. The Asian producers object loudly. In the last year, many foreign producers have been rejecting the USDollar as payment. Bobcat Inc (warehouse forklifts, construction backhoes) is only the most visible. The port facility confusion and mayhem is given too much attribution to the Hanjin Shipping bankruptcy. The truth is that the USTBill is being rejected as valid payment, despite the many empty disputes of this claim. The other shoe from those American feet is the end of the USDollar as global currency reserve. When the rejection is more broadly understood and openly discussed, the Western banks go poof and the USDollar dies.

USTreasury Bond complex bust with derivative
The bank derivatives are a $700 trillion set of buttresses, which if capably observed, would frighten the wits out of all people who have bank accounts. They are heavily leveraged contracts which hold the financial system together like glue, but lately more like chewing gum and bailing wire. These toxic units are called assets, while bank accounts are called liabilities subject to loss and confiscation (see bail-in procedures). The derivatives cannot tolerate big movements in bond yields. They serve as the site to produce artificial bond demand for the USGovt debt, whose supply is between $1.0 and $1.4 trillion per year, but without benefit of actual real investor buyers. The Asian bond dumping has put huge strains on the derivative machinery, which cannot sustain the pressure. The derivative jig is up very soon, to reveal a massive Ponzi Scheme in USGovt debt that exceeds $20 trillion without much attention or importance given to it. When the derivative complex shows wider cracks and open gushes of bond blood, the Western banks go poof and the USDollar dies.

Italian bank collapse & exit from Common Euro Currency
The Italians have a national referendum coming up very soon. The decision to push PM Renzi aside and to go on a more independent defiant path seems imminent. All his opponents have a common theme, to bail out the banks and to exit the Euro currency, which means a return to the Old Lira currency. The implications are staggering and lethal to the sovereign bond market in Southern Europe, since the PIGS all look alike. The dire implication is to the big European banks, primarily the French and German big banks. When the Italians flip the bird to the Euro Central Bank and their big bank masters, refusing to endure the financial rape as seen in Greece, the continent will undergo widespread tumult. Leaving the Euro currency must coincide with leaving the European Union itself. Key EU leaders are certain to leave en masse, much like in the style of Schultz recently. When Italy bails out its banks and leaves the Euro currency, the Western banks go poof and the USDollar dies.

Contagion in Europe in the Southern nations
Greece could follow Italy quickly out of the common Euro currency, even with exit from the European Union. After neighbor Turkey’s intriguing stability course and success, the Greek nation might quickly fall into the arms of Russia and China. The military security from Russia combined with the commercial security from China is a significant attraction. The EU masters have raped Greece, and they wish to leave the bedroom, even the European house. Worse, Portugal could be a dark horse in the unfolding takedown of the EU. When the contagion strikes and the fracture occurs among the PIGS pen, the Western banks go poof and the USDollar dies.

European Sovereign Bond Carnage
For the last three years or more, the Euro Central Bank has been quietly, and recently not so secretly, been supporting the entire Southern European sovereign bond market. The Germans at the Bundesbank were loud in objections in 2014, but they grew quiet. The Germans despise the ECB arrogance, and greatly dislike the ruin heaped upon them by the EU itself. The EuroCB has a higher order mission and marching orders from the elite fascists. The Italian Govt debt insurance is rising fast in price, a reliable early warning system much like seen in 2008 with Lehman Brothers CDSwap. The press ignored the signal in 2007, and again ignores it now. The EuroCB activity will backfire in a bonfire of the bond vanities, exposing Prince Draghi for his incredibly offensive arrogance. His paper castle will be taken down. The entire PIGS sovereign debt will break down and go bust, taking with it many large European banks, starting with the PIGS pen but extending into Central Europe. The strangulation of the REPO markets will result in huge liquidity and collateral issues. When the bond carnage begins in earnest, the shock wave will be clear, and the Western banks go poof and the USDollar dies.

http://goldseek.com/news/GoldenJackass/2016/11-27gj.jpg

Gold Market Arbitrage Breakdown
Ever since the Shanghai Gold Exchange opened and the London Gold Fix was exposed as a grand fraud, the pressures have risen on arbitrage within the gold market. A hidden battle has been waged, sometimes intense with big gaps, often mild with smaller gaps, between the East and West. The arbitrage gap is currently around US$20-25 per ounce in price, but could change quickly and suddenly. It is likely to rise to hundreds of dollars, but gradually, and later perhaps in large chunk increments. The result will be the wreckage of paper Gold & Silver markets. Big players would be free to buy cheap in London, sell dear in Shanghai, and bust the fraudulent market wide open. When the gold market arbitrage undergoes a collision between reality of physical gold in movement and the fantasy of phony paper market pricing, the Western banks go poof and the USDollar dies.

Gold-backed currency announced in East
It is really just a matter of time. The de-Dollarization process underway in the East has been going on for over two years, another Jackass forecast coming to pass. The United States with its wars and sanctions has spurred the non-USD movement in earnest, if not hidden hyper-drive. Both Russia and China simultaneously will soon announce Gold backed currencies, while also making public their true gold holdings in the tens of thousands of gold tons. The buzz has been clear for a couple years that Russia has over 25,000 tons gold in reserves, and China has over 30,000 tons gold in reserves. When the new gold-backed currencies are announced, publicized, launched, used in commerce & banking, and compared to the Western toilet paper passing as currency, the Western banks go poof and the USDollar dies.

Saudi acceptance of RMB in Chinese oil sales
The event is overdue, except that the Saudis are tied in two ways. They own a boatload of sequestered USTreasury Bonds, held tightly in the USDept Tresasury ESFund. Tough noogies but the Saudis will never see $3 trillion in their USTBond reserves. Also, more on the ugly tarnished side, the Saudis depend upon the USMilitary for weapons purchases in their insidious Yemen War. Regardless of bondage to the US fascists, the Saudis must move forward. The Chinese are demanding the right to make oil payments in their RMB currency terms. Look soon afterwards for the Chinese to use Gold Trade Notes, possibly as an introduction in the oil market. Doing so would slam the Petro-Dollar defacto standard in force for 42 years, putting numerous nails in the USDollar coffin. The collapse in crude oil prices would result in a breakdown of the recent OPEC output freeze. When the Saudis announce acceptance of RMB payments for Chinese oil sales, the Western banks go poof and the USDollar dies.

Miscellaneous factors
Many other factors are too numerous to list, but which could also bring about the systemic breakdown described above. They are far more numerous than the following, but these are major items. The NATO alliance might be dismantled. Either publicity of its warmonger nature or its narcotics trafficking activity could bring this event about. The EU member nations object to taking orders from the Supreme Commander, trampling upon the national sovereign leadership. Then NATO would publically become irrelevant, and lead to USMilitary withdrawal from mainland Europe, save for a token unit like in Germany. Also, the ISIS exposure could explode on the scene for USGovt involvement, Mossad involvement, and even British MI-6 involvement. ISIS is a joint creation from these three national security centers, adopted from the Axis of Global Fascism. The defeat of the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq could lead to an explosion of sporadic attacks across the entire European continent. For staged terror events, see Paris, Brussels, and Nice. Another, the growing discontent and stirred racial violence in the United States might couple with political stirred violence, coming from the Soros funded groups. Riots in the United States could result in USEconomic stagnation and severe effects in consequence. These other lesser but important factors could stoke the fires, and lead to chaos as the Western banks go poof and the USDollar dies.

GOLD TRADE NOTE INTRODUCTION
The Gold Trade Notes for trade payment might be coming into view, initially with commodity transfers, later swap contracts, and finally gold-backed short-term notes which supplant the USTBill. One might think of used newspapers on the floor, or of the dodo bird. The trade might be made in exchange for either goods delivered or USTBills held. Detect a growing connection to finished goods being withheld from delivery. This is probably another sign of refusal of USTBills as payment. As footnote, be sure to know that the preliminary steps to the Global Currency RESET will not be laid out in full disclosure for public benefit. It represents a tremendous investment opportunity for the elite, which they never tend to share. In fact, the RESET might be well along before it is even recognized. End to EuroRaj main thoughts and open analysis, for which much gratitude is given. The Jackass believes a few critical elements to the RESET are in place. More details on DIP Financing feature is included in the September Hat Trick Letter report.

***A major hitch obstacle can be inferred. Payment in USD terms might be the clot in the artery. Demands might be for hard asset swaps, and the contract security from large scale commitment of commodities, facilities, and property. The swap trade is coming into view, a presage of the Gold Trade Note.***

The Jackass concludes the USD rejection could be lifting its head within a gathering storm, without clear identification. It is indeed difficult to identify all the elements when hidden deals at the highest level are underway, and friction is omnipresent. The Bobcat Corp rejection of USTBills at Pacific ports is a clear story. For every one story recounted, there are 10 to 20 not yet heard. My firm belief is that in Asian banking systems, they do not want the USTBills anymore. The banks in Asia are trying to dump them in heavy volume, not accumulate more worthless toilet paper. Finally the sharp blowback from printing QE money has hit. The USFed monetary policy saves the big insolvent banks, but kills capital. The result has finally seen manifested in USD global rejection, or at least hints toward the same. Asian banks still hold vast sums of USTBonds. They are not going to announce the rejection, but instead fight behind the walls for better terms of payment, even as they pursue the Gold Trade Note for payment at ports. It is coming, like daybreak follows the long night.

NEW SCHEISS DOLLAR & GOLD TRADE STANDARD
In time, expect an eventual refusal by Eastern producing nations to accept USTreasury Bills in payment for trade. The IMF reversal decision assures this USTBill blockade in time, and might accelerate the timetable. The United States Govt cannot continue on five glaring fronts of gross negligence and major violations. These violations have prompted the BRICS & Alliance nations to hasten their development of diverse non-USD platforms toward the goal of displacing the USDollar while at the same time take steps toward the return of the Gold Standard.

The New Scheiss Dollar will arrive in order to assure continued import supply to the USEconomy. It will be given a 30% devaluation out of the gate, then many more devaluations of similar variety. The New Dollar will fail all foreign and Eastern scrutiny. The USGovt will be forced to react to USTBill rejection at the ports. The US must accommodate with the New Scheiss Dollar in order to assure import supply, and to alleviate the many stalemates to come. The United States finds itself on the slippery slope that leads to the Third World, a Jackass forecast that has been presented since Lehman fell (better described as killed by JPM and GSax). The only apparent alternative is for the United States Govt to lease a large amount of gold bullion (like 10,000 tons) from China in order to properly launch a gold-backed currency. Doing so would open the gates for a generation of commercial colonization, but actual progress in returning capitalism to the United States. The cost would be supply shortages to the USEconomy, a result of enormous export increases to China.

The colonization has already begun, with secret deals galore. It is very unclear what deals are being struck in order to arrange for the USGovt to have a proper gold reserve hoard, for backing a new legitimate USDollar. Meetings at very high level are in progress, with little if any popular representation, only elite members present. Failure to produce a legitimate bonafide gold-backed currency would mean the United States must proceed with the New Scheiss Dollar, an illegitimate fake phony farce of a currency. It would be subjected to a series of devaluations. The result would be heavy powerful painful price inflation from the import front. The effect would be to reverse a generation of exported inflation by the United States. The entire USEconomy would go into a downward spiral with higher prices, supply shortages, and social disorder. However, the rising prices would come from the currency crisis, and not so much from the hyper monetary inflation. That flood of $trillions has been effectively firewalled off.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #182072
12/05/16 05:28 PM
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My comment : I've been waiting to see what position Trump would give Carson. This news could be prophetic for the SDA Church??? I really don't know, and am only wondering(speculating) out loud.

Anyway, I think this is really good news for our Church [besides the recent excellent Gibson's Movie about Desmond Doss].

Only the first 3 paragraphs are interesting. I need some help to understand a statement made below by Trump. I have enlarged the font of that section of the emphasized texted below.

What does this statement "and is part of ensuring that this is a Presidency representing all Americans" means to you? Anyone?

Trump Nominates Ben Carson As Housing Secretary
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-05/trump-nominates-ben-carson-housing-secretary

Dec 5, 2016

Quote:
Donald Trump announced his plans early Monday to nominate Dr. Ben Carson to lead the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD).

“Ben Carson has a brilliant mind and is passionate about strengthening communities and families within those communities,” Trump said in a statement distributed by his transition team. “We have talked at length about my urban renewal agenda and our message of economic revival, very much including our inner cities. Ben shares my optimism about the future of our country and is part of ensuring that this is a Presidency representing all Americans. He is a tough competitor and never gives up,” Trump added.

“I feel that I can make a significant contribution particularly by strengthening communities that are most in need," Carson, a former GOP presidential candidate who became a Trump supporter, said in the statement. "We have much work to do in enhancing every aspect of our nation and ensuring that our nation’s housing needs are met.”

Confirming once again that political statements are never to be taken at face value, Armstrong Williams, Carson's campaign manager and a close friend, told The Hill last month that the retired neurosurgeon was not interested in serving as Trump’s secretary of Health and Human Services. "Dr. Carson feels he has no government experience, he's never run a federal agency. The last thing he would want to do was take a position that could cripple the presidency,” Williams said at the time.

A few weeks later he changed his mind.

In other Trump team news, the WSJ confirmed a rumor that was floated last week, when it reported that Trump is widening the circle of candidates for secretary of state and will interview more prospects this week, transition officials said, a sign that after multiple meetings with high-profile hopefuls he still isn’t sold on whom he wants as the nation’s top diplomat.

Though Mr. Trump’s transition team said last week that the search had narrowed to four finalists, new candidates have emerged, including Rex Tillerson, chairman and chief executive of Exxon Mobil Corp., one transition adviser said. Mr. Tillerson is scheduled to meet with Mr. Trump for an interview this week. Alan Jeffers, an Exxon spokesman, declined to comment.

Mr. Tillerson, 64 years old, grew up in Texas and joined Exxon in 1975. He leads a company with operations in more than 50 countries, from Canada to Papua New Guinea, that often exerts itself abroad with the sweep of a sovereign nation. He is slated to retire next year and Exxon has identified Darren Woods as a successor.

As Exxon’s CEO since 2006, Mr. Tillerson could leverage existing relationships with numerous world leaders, including Russia’s Vladimir Putin, with whom he has had dealings for more than a decade.

Mr. Tillerson’s close ties to the company, including tens of millions of dollars of Exxon shares that will become available to him in the coming decade, could complicate his efforts to lift sanctions or intervene in trade disputes where Exxon has a financial interest. It would be almost impossible for him to recuse himself from working with all the countries in which Exxon operates or markets products.

Mr. Tillerson’s corporate pedigree would make him an unconventional choice, foreign policy analysts said. Jon Alterman, a Middle East expert at the nonpartisan Center for Strategic and International Studies, noted that former Secretary of State John Foster Dulles was a lawyer at a top New York City firm, but not a CEO, and that George Shultz was president of Bechtel Corp., but also served in government.

As head of a company with a massive global footprint, Mr. Tillerson, though, is no stranger to foreign leaders. As Exxon’s chief executive, he has spoken against sanctions on Russia, where the company in 2012 signed a $3.2 billion deal that Mr. Putin said could eventually reach $500 billion in investments.

Mr. Tillerson has some of the closest ties among U.S. CEOs to Mr. Putin and Russia, with his work there dating back to when Mr. Putin rose to power after Boris Yeltsin’s resignation. The 2012 deal gave Exxon access to prized arctic resources. Later that year, the Kremlin bestowed the country’s Order of Friendship on the American businessman.

Mr. Tillerson supported a Trump rival in the Republican primaries: Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush. He gave the maximum $2,700 to the Bush campaign, and another $5,000 to the Right to Rise, the super PAC that backed Mr. Bush. He didn’t make a contribution to Mr. Trump’s campaign, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks political giving.
Vice President-elect Mike Pence, appearing Sunday on NBC, said the list of secretary of state candidates “might grow a little bit.”

On Sunday evening, Mr. Trump’s transition officials said another candidate for both secretary of state and energy secretary is Sen. Joe Manchin (D., W.Va.). The conservative Democrat would add a bipartisan dimension to the Trump cabinet if chosen.

Kellyanne Conway, a senior Trump adviser, told reporters Sunday: “It is true that he’s broadened the search…He’s very fortunate to have interest among serious men and women who, all of whom need to understand that their first responsibility as secretary of state would be to implement and adhere to the president-elect’s America First foreign policy, if you will, his view of the world.”

A final decision could come by week’s end, the transition adviser said.



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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #182073
12/05/16 05:41 PM
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Unless I have you confused with someone else, remember MM was questioning about interruption of the 7 day weekly cycle because of the new moon? So set me right - do you believe the moon in no way affects the 7 day weekly Sabbath?

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: kland] #182076
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Originally Posted By: kland
Unless I have you confused with someone else, remember MM was questioning about interruption of the 7 day weekly cycle because of the new moon? So set me right - do you believe the moon in no way affects the 7 day weekly Sabbath?

Yes you are confusing me with someone else for I never got involved much in such types of discussion in this forum. I have no clue what discussion or topic you are referring at or what position MM took versus yours versus this other person you are mistaken me for.

So in another word -- sorry but I dunno


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: kland] #182077
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Kland, I thought this post was timely and for you explaining about different cycle and how it plays out year after year. You may think this is a little weird and you are right ... it is weird; but this is
one way the Lord communicates what He is doing to His people.

Anyway, it is a very interesting read and let us see what happens in this year time cycle.

Prophecy for a New America

Dec 05, 2016

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2016/12-2016/prophecy-for-a-new-america/

Quote:
There was an interesting prophecy in 1981 that appears to be nearly completed.

https://unitedstatesprophecy.com/visions-dreams-and-prophecies-for-america/

“When you see that the Berlin wall comes down and when you see the Soviet Union take a severe blow then it makes a recovery, and then you see the death of Fidel Castro; then shall come the collapse of the economic system of the United States.”

The Berlin Wall came down on November 9, 1989.

The Soviet Union officially dissolved December 31, 1991

The USSR was replaced by Russia, which recovered after President Putin took leadership.

Fidel Castro, age 90, died November 25, 2016 and was buried December 4, 2016.

Next, according to this, is “the collapse of the economic system of the United States.”

My Analysis

But keep in mind that prophecy is usually misunderstood. In this case, there are different ways in which a “collapse of the economic system” could take place. No doubt most assume that this means very difficult days ahead, with the dollar collapsing, high unemployment, and stock market crashes. But there are other ways to view this.

First, it is not the economy itself that is supposed to collapse, but rather “the economic system.” The system is how things are administered or the laws on which the economy are based. It could mean that the Federal Reserve System is going to be replaced by something else. This would actually be positive, rather than negative, although the old owners of the system would probably put up a fight, causing some temporary disruptions.

The 1981 prophecy above suggests that the death of Fidel Castro is perhaps the final major sign of the coming change in our economic system. I find it curious that this prophecy was given in 1981, the same year that my real story began. In fact, my “crucifixion day” at Las Cruces, New Mexico, occurred on December 4, 1981, and 35 years later Fidel Castro was buried on the same date. Coincidence? Maybe—if you believe in such coincidences.

But as for me, that original pattern of dates from November 12, 1981 until January 30, 1982 is currently being re-run in 2016-2017. I have seen reruns many times over the years, each having different actors on the stage. Each rerun overlays a few new details in the mix. For example, in the 1981-1982 pattern, the main theme was death (Passover, crucifixion). A year later the main theme was resurrection, as I came out of the “wilderness” into a new life.

In both cases, December 4 was crucial. In 1981 it marked the time of “death,” and in 1982 it marked the time I began to rise from the dead.

The pattern was a microcosm of a much bigger picture, as God required me (as an intercessor) to experience the death of others in order to come out the other end in resurrection. This experience itself was a prophecy that others would also be raised up in similar fashion. Of course, I was unaware of the prophetic significance of this until a year later when it was revealed in January of 1984. At that time God led me to Ezekiel 4:5, and when I expressed frustration at my lack of understanding, He told me to “count the days,” and I then discovered (by the timing) that I had been called as an intercessor.

Ezekiel 4:5 speaks of the prophet lying on his left side for 390 days as an intercessor for the house of Israel. My 390-day cycle began on December 30, 1981 when we physically drove out of Las Cruces, officially beginning the “wilderness” period. It ended 390 days later, on January 23, 1983, when we arrived in Batesville, Arkansas to begin a new life.

A year later, on January 23, 1984 the Lord revealed the 390-day cycle to me, and then I began to understand what had happened. I was an intercessor the church. In fact, I also discovered that I had undergone a 40-day period immediately after the 390-day cycle had ended. Recall that Ezekiel had been called to lie on his right side for 40 days (Ezekiel 4:6). This 40-day cycle was revealed on February 5, 1983, and it applied to February 28 to April 8. I had to travel during that time on an intercessory trip for “church leaders.”

Even so, I did not realize at the time that this had been patterned upon Ezekiel 4:6. Only a year later did this revelation come to me.

Then in late 1985 and early 1986 the same pattern emerged once again, as the Lord enlarged upon the theme of death and resurrection. This time it involved Pastor Thomas in Batesville, Arkansas. In June of 1985 we had been instructed by the Lord to pray 3 months for “revival,” and in the middle of that time the church began to experience this. Most of the church members received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but the pastor himself was still resistant.

On December 1, 1985 the Lord showed me that we were again experiencing the same earlier pattern and that he was going to leave the church on December 30. I knew this, because I had left the church in Las Cruces on December 30, 1981, and a year later on the same day I had received a telephone call offering me a job in Batesville, Arkansas. Hence, December 30 was a “leave” date. So I knew he was planning to “leave” four weeks later on December 30, 1985.

Well, he did. We were having a men’s meeting that Monday evening, and about 9 pm the pastor suddenly stood up, turned to our host, and said to him, “All I want is the communion table, because that was my mother’s.” He then stormed out of the meeting and slammed the door behind him. Everyone was stunned, even though most of them knew what I had told them ahead of time. In fact, three of us at the meeting had prayed and fasted for the pastor that same day.

The next evening, as we prepared to go to our New Year’s Eve prayer meeting, I asked the Lord what the problem was—other than the fact that he was resistant to the Holy Spirit. He gave me 1 Corinthians 11:30, “For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.”

It was then my turn to be stunned, because on December 29, the day before the pastor left the church, he had taken communion with us. In that church, we did not take communion weekly, nor even monthly. In fact, there was no particular schedule. But it appears that Pastor Thomas had decided to have one final communion before leaving the church.

The problem is that communion is “common union,” and it is a covenant of fellowship with Christ and with each other. He took communion “unworthily” (1 Corinthians 11:29 KJV), because he was planning to break fellowship with us. So when God gave me this answer, I immediately saw that the pastor had “died” according to the word: “and many sleep.”

This revelation stressed me, because I had been quite close to him. He was even a father figure to me. So I asked the Lord what could be done about it. Was there nothing we could do? We knew from other prophetic time cycles that his actual death was scheduled for April 12, 1986, which was just a few months away.

The Lord then told me, “he needs someone with the authority to raise the dead.”

I then knew the solution to the problem, for two months earlier, on November 10, 1985, I had been to a church about 55 miles away and had been led to anoint that pastor with the authority to raise the dead. The precise word of the Lord was: “By his hand I will raise the dead.” At the time, I had been totally embarrassed by the situation, not wanting to make a fool of myself in a strange church. But I did as I was instructed and then left as quickly as I could.

But then on December 31, I knew that he (Pastor Joe) had been anointed to raise Pastor Thomas from the dead before he died on April 12. This, I knew, would cancel his death warrant. But I did not know when a meeting could be arranged between the two pastors. Nor did it seem possible, and even if it were to happen, would Pastor Thomas really agree to receive the Holy Spirit??

Well, a few days after this revelation, in early January 1986, a vice-president of the company where I worked (who had been at the meeting when Pastor Thomas left the church), came into my office and asked me: “Well, Mr. Jones, what’s going to happen next?”

Of course, I did not know until he asked, because he drew the answer out of my spirit. “Pastor Thomas is going to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit on January 27, and it will be administered by Pastor Joe.”

The VP laughed and said, “Not in a million years!”

But it did happen. January 27 was one of the key dates from the 1982 and 1983 patterns of death and resurrection—specifically the 1983 pattern as I was coming out of my wilderness (death) experience. I had arrived in Batesville on January 23, but I had flown to New Mexico on January 30 in order to pick up all of our furniture that had been in storage for over a year. I had understood at the time that the flight was symbolic of my resurrection and ascension.

So three years later, on January 27, 1986, Pastor Joe decided to come to Batesville, wanting to meet with us. We hastily arranged a meeting at the same house where Pastor Thomas had left the church a few weeks earlier. This was the first time that I had seen Pastor Joe since I had anointed him with the authority to raise the dead (November 10, 1985).

I called Pastor Thomas and told him the situation. I told him frankly that I had discerned some time ago that Pastor Joe was the one called to administer the baptism of the Holy Spirit to him, and that he was coming to meet with us that evening. “You are welcome to come, if you want,” I said, “and if not, we will understand.”

Well, he came, and he received the Holy Spirit. In fact, as he told us afterward, he was so drunk on the Holy Spirit that it reminded him of his old alcoholic days in his youth.

But Pastor Thomas was also a type of King Saul. Saul was crowned on the day of wheat harvest (i.e., Pentecost), as we read in 1 Samuel 12:17. He was also filled with the Spirit (1 Samuel 10:6, 10, 11). Saul was a type of the church under Pentecost, which was why he was numbered among the prophets, but Pentecost is also a leavened feast (Leviticus 23:17). This is why he set the pattern for the authoritarian, rebellious church that was yet to come.

The fact that Pastor Thomas was a type of Saul worked to his disadvantage, because just two weeks later, on February 9, 1986 he reverted back to his original authoritarian problem as a Saul type. (That story is too long to explain here.) As a result, we did not know what would happen to him on April 12. Yet the Lord assured us that we have “saved his life” by our intercession.

As it turned out, Pastor Thomas burned himself very badly on April 12 and was forced to retire shortly after that. The doctor told him he was very lucky to be alive. He died on February 9, 2008 after living another 22 years, much like King Saul had died 22 years after he was rejected as king for sparing King Agag (1 Samuel 15:9, 11, 22, 23, 26).

The incident happened in Saul’s 18th year, and he died in his 40th year, 22 years later.

Present Application

These patterns (especially this 30-year pattern from 1986-2016) seem to be applicable this year (2016). November 14 was the start of this year’s two 76-day cleansing cycles. The first 76-day cycle goes from November 14 to January 28/29, 2016. This year it appears that Donald Trump is playing the role of King Saul, even as Pastor Thomas did in 1985-1986. The theme of resurrection and the baptism of the Holy Spirit could very well emerge, if Kim Clement’s prophecies about Trump come to pass.

Clement prophesied in 2006 that Donald Trump would be filled with the Spirit after he came into office. That sounds a lot like Pastor Thomas in 1986, and the date of January 27-29 this year is after Trump comes into office. So that is the time to watch. We should look for a death of the old USA and the birth of something new, and perhaps the sign of this will be when Donald Trump is filled with the Spirit.

Of course, we never know exactly how these patterns will play out in real life. In the end, we have to wait and see what the Father does. But it is my hope (expectation) that before Trump could be filled with the Spirit, we ourselves ought to be experiencing the Holy Spirit in an increased manner. I expect to see the outpouring of the Holy Spirit come to us incrementally over a period of months, with special focus on certain watch dates derived from earlier patterns.

Further, since King Saul has been at the forefront of the earlier prophetic patterns, this could also turn out to be a mixed bag. I believe that those of us who are of the feast of Tabernacles will be blessed in a much greater way than those who cannot go beyond Pentecost. But an outpouring of the Spirit in America and the world would still be a welcome event, even if affects people differently according to their capacity to be filled.

The most important dates to watch would be December 30, January 17, 23, 27-30. As we draw near to these dates, the picture may become clearer, and I will share more at those times.



Blessings
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #182092
12/07/16 06:12 PM
12/07/16 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: Elle
Originally Posted By: kland
Unless I have you confused with someone else, remember MM was questioning about interruption of the 7 day weekly cycle because of the new moon? So set me right - do you believe the moon in no way affects the 7 day weekly Sabbath?

Yes you are confusing me with someone else for I never got involved much in such types of discussion in this forum. I have no clue what discussion or topic you are referring at or what position MM took versus yours versus this other person you are mistaken me for.

So in another word -- sorry but I dunno
Sorry, must have got you confused with some octopus or something. Guess I was seeing a downward progression of some feastkeepers to totally destroying the Sabbath and mistakenly thought it was you.


Regarding your prophecy link, you should always ask:
Is that true?

I have no way of knowing.
The Internet didn't exist in 1981.
Is there any other record or we should just take his word?
UNITEDSTATESPROPHECY.COM was listed as created in 27-sep-2008.
The above "prophecy" page first shows up on the website in 2013.

So I don't know what to make of such stuff.
I could create a website that says it was prophesied in 1900 the twin towers would fall because I saw it in an oil slick.

As others have said, lots of false profits out there. Don't believe everything you read.

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: kland] #182139
12/14/16 12:51 PM
12/14/16 12:51 PM
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Well it looks like it wasn't for you after all. That link was to give you another perspective how the Lord apply time cycle.

Yes you do right not to believe everything you read.
Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Elle
Originally Posted By: kland
Unless I have you confused with someone else, remember MM was questioning about interruption of the 7 day weekly cycle because of the new moon? So set me right - do you believe the moon in no way affects the 7 day weekly Sabbath?

Yes you are confusing me with someone else for I never got involved much in such types of discussion in this forum. I have no clue what discussion or topic you are referring at or what position MM took versus yours versus this other person you are mistaken me for.

So in another word -- sorry but I dunno
Sorry, must have got you confused with some octopus or something. Guess I was seeing a downward progression of some feastkeepers to totally destroying the Sabbath and mistakenly thought it was you.


Regarding your prophecy link, you should always ask:
Is that true?

I have no way of knowing.
The Internet didn't exist in 1981.
Is there any other record or we should just take his word?
UNITEDSTATESPROPHECY.COM was listed as created in 27-sep-2008.
The above "prophecy" page first shows up on the website in 2013.

So I don't know what to make of such stuff.
I could create a website that says it was prophesied in 1900 the twin towers would fall because I saw it in an oil slick.

As others have said, lots of false profits out there. Don't believe everything you read.



Blessings
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