Step one was to take religion out of the hands of the individual and place it in the church (see last post)

Let's remember the promise: "Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them." It is not the great cathedrals or prestigious religious establishments, it is the people who love God and keep His commandments.



The larger portion of this thesis concerns itself with the overwhelming explosion of knowledge, asserting that no one person could possibly understand even a corner of it. On top of that people don't understand each other because they come with different suppositions upon which they build. So basically in the end, we all need someone to take care of that for us.

Rayner writes: "As an individual one becomes ever more impotent; one has to depend more and more on the knowledge of others, which one can no longer assimilate or check oneself" p. 28 with the exception of "the few in the Roman Congregatio pro Doctrina et Fidei (used to be called the Inquisition) who must watch over and judge the orthodoxy ( p. 29) who have a better comprehension of things theological.

The Spirit of Prophecy through EGW predicted this very thing. Rahner's argument that the information explosion has created a qualitative and quantitative upheaval so great that one can no longer depend upon his own study to form his conclusions.

Note: This all adds up to the concept that no church structure is vocal about rejecting decisively as wrong any dogma or doctrine presents in another church
(except of course the three angels message because it goes directly against their plan calling people to come out when the religious voices are urging people to join and enjoin.)

Notice as well --
the plan is to get the various churches to unite and agree on things they don't really agree on. But no worries, it is to be left for a "broader consensus in the future". In other words -- agree on points you don't agree on, and on a later date it will be worked out.

So step two is basically saying -- get people to stop worrying so much about different doctrines, they aren't really smart enough to figure them out, or understand them anyway, so just get everyone focused on "common" ground, tolerating all, and at some future date doctrines will be dealt with.

Get them to walk into the trap with all the trimmings of love and tolerance and a nice experience based on emotions, and once they're in....

Note: The thought stressed is that the individual's brain becomes impotent and therefore must put his trust in the church . . .
"for the church itself is the guarantor, through its formal teaching authority, of the truth of the individual doctrines it presents.? P. 32

... meaning instead of attacking individual's character on the forum like ProdigalOne just did with Nadi or others whenever they oppose SDA Church interpretations --- you are attacking a bigger group of believers -- the Catholic Church.

Instead of wasting our time attacking Christians (either individually or corporately) ... I would prefer to investigate scriptures and learn more about what does the Lord says about this subject.


Well as I said in my 2nd post in this discussion... the Adventist Church is pursuing the same thing because they also believe & teach they are [or will become] the spiritual leader of the world?????

Isn't this pure hypocrisy?

Not only the Catholics, the Adventists, or who other Christian based denomination who thinks they are the "TRUE" Church but actually also all the differents faiths in the Jews, Islamics, and other main religions. Also all those who believes they are one of the "ascended" ones and all those Royal Families with their "right to rule" given by God and the luciferians.... Everyone are saying the same things is in their own ways and pursuing to become "the spiritual leaders of the world". There's nothing new here. This has been going on since Adam. That's a typical childish behavior who doesn't know any better that it is the Lord who appoints who He wishes (Rom 9). And I believe their will be a representations of all differents groups mentioned above.


You are twisting everything you can dedication to prove a point that the Adventist Church is also guilty of doing also. But I believe that both the Catholic Church and the SDA Church and all other denominations that are pursuing the same ... they aren't going to succeed .... because all of these Churches are delusional thinking only themselves as they are "THE Church".

I came to believe that all believers from all denominations are part of Christ Church... but it is not all of these believers that are trained to be "God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."AV Re 5:10 "and shall reign with Him a thousand years" Re 20:6

Of course, I believe some SDAs, some Catholic believers, and some of many other denominations.... will be among these "overcomers" (aka 144k, the priests of the Melchizedek order, etc...).

And I'm 100% sure that all these overcomers coming from all denominations won't come into the SDA Church (like we teach & believe) or the Catholic Church (like they believe).....but will form the body of Christ's PRIESTS where the membership registry is in heaven.

The other members of the body that aren't part of the 1st resurrection and are not part of the body of "Kings and Priests" will be helping these overcomers with their functions. We see this in the type & shadow of the law with all the Levites families helping out with the task appointed to the High Priest family. The same type is also described again in Ezekiel 44 where we find that the "corrupt Levites" do not have access to the Priestly garment nor access to the Holy Place or "holy things", but are to help out with the task of the "Sons of Zadok". (see Ezk 44:11)

Nadi, I notice you have chosen not to respond to the questions and suggestions of my previous posts, that is your prerogative of course.

As for offending me, yes I did find your trite insult to Dedication offensive:
"Methinks ye partake of the kool-aid overmuch."

Your reply to Jesus words in Matthew was .

I am sorry that you are "disappointed by the tone of the responses", but what did you expect, a pat on the back for your maturity?

Ah, Elle, I see that you are still stinging from our discussion on the Spiritual Formation Thread. I stand by what I said there, I believe you have a good heart and I admire your passion.

Oh, and your claim that I said I had found "4 to 5 non-SDA sites had dedication's point of view", is incorrect. Here are my exact words: "I read the text of the Pope's words on five or six different sites operated by different people, mostly non-Adventists."
No where did I say that any of these sites "had dedication's point of view".
I merely said that they contained "the text of the Pope's words".

You really should read posts more carefully before quoting them, especially in oversized font. If I understand correctly such large lettering is considered yelling, online?
Ouch!

Since, Nadi has apparently found his own source for the Pope's homily, I see no reason to post multiple links to the same sermon.

Dedication, I was not aware of this outline by Rahner and Fries.
Thank you for the info. It is remarkable how the papacy hides its
intentions in plain sight, relying on the world's general spiritual confusion
and semantic shading to cover her tracks.

dedication, I have never doubted that premise; anyone who says this is not their goal is disregarding the plain statements of the Catholic church.

However, the immediate context of my remarks is the perception by some that the Pope is telling Christians NOT to keep the commandments. He is simply not saying that. Commandment keeping is fundamental to Catholicism; he simply would not do that.

Step two is where the razor sharp teeth of the trap wait:

"...no explicit and positive confession in one partner church is imposed as dogma obligatory for another partner church. This is left to a broader consensus in the future. This applies, especially to authentic but undefined doctrinal decrees of the Roman church, particularly with regard to ethical questions."

What a nasty surprise is awaiting churches naive enough to surrender the spirit of Protestantism and unite with the Mother of Harlots.

Sadly, it does not really matter if one believes what Francis is literally saying concerning Commandment keeping, or chooses to view his words through the lense of his persona as a kindly old man with good intentions.

What matters is the definition of the Commandments of God. The papacy is a master of double entendres: when she says the Ten Commandments, she means the the Catholic Ten Commandments with the Second Commandment, prohibiting the worship of graven images, completely removed and the Fourth Commandment changed from the Seventh Day, sanctified by God, to the first day sanctioned by man. She then splits the final Commandment regarding coveting into two separate commands, in order to make her counterfeit commandments total ten, in the same manner that a counterfeiter of money would engrave the number Ten on a fake bill. A nine dollar bill will fool no one, neither will a fake nine commandment Catholic moral code.

Whether the papacy denigrates the importance of the Ten Commandments or substitutes a false definition of sin, she still succeeds in her ultimate goal of spiritual conquest by substituting her words for the Word of God and leading the masses into the confusion of lawlessness.

I think by saying 3 times in the quote below that maybe there was possibly of a mis-understanding of your quote.... is not claiming anything... it's not like you are letting on above.

You should read more carefully what I said also .... pay attention of the underlined and supersized texted that are meant to help pull your attention their [nothing more]:



Note the oversized text "on my part" emphasized in purple is my addition to add clarity but the next two sentences confirms what is added in purple -- that it was potentially my mis-understanding.

I think by saying it 3 times as emphasized in the quote above .... that I'm not making any claims what I understood you've said.


Isn't it all Caps that is used at time for yelling. See above, I didn't use All Caps. I only increased the font size to pull attention to that particular text. One of my usual style employed to emphasize some portion of the text...

I don't want to discuss about attacking believers.... Let's get down into studying what scripture says instead ...

I would like dedication or ProdigalOne or Alchemy or anyone else that agrees with dedication opening post to respond to my 2nd post of this discussion that I repeat and point out again below :