God's instructions in the Old Testmanent for eating was part of the objective of keeping the Hebrews to himself, separate from the idolatrous world around them (Deut. 14:21). In Christianity however, God's people do not keep to themselves but live, work and play with everyone: remaining morally pure (John 20:21 & Rom. 14).

This means that you may share a MacDonald's hamburger with a Roman Catholic best friend, but insist on paying at least part of the bill. One may enjoy bacon and eggs for breakfast with a good Mormon neighbour, but resist the temptation to go after his attractive wife. (1 Cor. 10:25,26 then 8:7)

"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, 'If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed; And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.'" -- John 8:32

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The subject of this thread is "Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold". Indeed Ellen White did write words to those effect, erroneously (perhaps even blasphemously) elevating her books to the "Testimony of Jesus Christ".

@ProdigalOne, what do you say?

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Hmmm, I'm not sure how eating bacon equates to spiritual liberty, as long as I don't seduce a Mormon's wife?

I have had many relatives, neighbours, and friends who's beliefs ranged from Athiest, Baptist, Pentecostal, Sikh, Hudderite, Mennonite, Morman, Wiccan, Native Medicine Man, Muslim, and even (gasp!) Catholic. I have shared meals, socialized, and discussed spirituality with more than I can recall; however, I don't ever remember finding it necessary to eat unclean, unhealthy, life shortening food in order to love my neighbour...

Was the Lord's list of unclean foods merely a way of making Israel "peculiar"?
Is His wisdom so limited that there is no lesson for today?


"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

Sister White connected the health message closely to the third angel's message.
Rejecting her counsel on the topic of health is a huge "rejection of the testimonies".
In fact, you are fulfilling her prophesy right now Mr Peterson.
Thank-you for helping her to pass the prophet's test of Deuteronomy 18!

Incidentally, you have done your best to deride Ellen White at every opportunity: I wonder, have you read any of her books? I don't mean hasty searches on the white lie website, I mean an entire book? If not then your attitude seems rather disingenuous. Reading The Great Controversy or The Desire of Ages cover to cover would be a good, honest, approach to debunking her claims of Devine inspiration.

Looks like Donald Trump is going to become the next President of the United States, that will show that it was a false prophecy regarding Obama having a 3rd term as President of the United States, becoming a dictator, or whatever.

But then there's the spring equinox. Or is it somewhere around near there. Wait for a new date sometime this fall.

That's quite likely. We know HC has set a date for Christ's second coming this spring. (By putting in an artificial extension to Obama's term)


I won't be surprised if we next hear of another extension -- another date in the fall -- It's the way it always happens with those who like to map out last day events with the calendar.
Dozens of failed dates, followed by extension after extension, but seeing the world ripe for those last days to fully develop gives them hope that their next date will actually turn out to be right.

We are sitting on the edge of time -- but setting dates only confuses the issue and actually destroys the true preparing for eternity necessary which comes, not in panic preparation to meet a certain date, but from a daily walk with Christ. We are to watch and pray for we don't know when the great tribulation will begin or when Christ will come --

Instead of looking at and bring attention to Trump adding yet more mechanisms in place as past presidents have done, that our freedoms to lead others to Christ are getting shorter and shorter, he mandates a time restriction for God to fulfill.

I thought I'd mention that the first distinction mentioned between clean and unclean animals was shortly before the flood (Gen 7:2) when describing how many animals would enter the ark. Further, because it's so matter of factly stated without explanation, it can be presumed that Noah already knew about this distinction and that it predated the time of the flood. Even if it was something new at that time, when Noah and his family left the ark there was no one for them to be kept separate from.


"In Christianity however, God's people do not keep to themselves but live, work and play with everyone: remaining morally pure"

Yet by beholding we become. This is not to say I'm promoting an extreme of isolationism, shunning all contact with others, but that the influences that others have on us should not be taken lightly. The more attached we are to someone, the more willing we are to trust their judgement and do as they do.

When you say "play", do you mean actively engage in the same entertainment? What about gambling? Does a Christian enter a casino, gamble their way into a frenzy of worldly excitement and lust for money, and remain pure? I don't actually think you would include that as acceptable for a Christian, but then there must be at the very least some distinction between what the world does and what we do. We believe that this distinction does not end at obvious sins that even the rest of the world warns against, such as drunkennness or the adultery that you mentioned. Our bodies, being temples, should be kept in good repair.


2Co 6:14-18
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.




But in the Kingdom of God we do still eat and drink, so it's not a non-issue. What he was saying is that the outward following of rules is not of itself what true godliness and righteousness consists of. The religion of the Pharisees was often all about their rules. It was their own rules that they were effectively worshiping.

Also, regarding Jesus's statement "If ye continue in My word, then are ye My disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Free from what? Jesus then explained "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."

So if by committing sin freedom is lost and servitude is gained, then the freedom here must be freedom from continuing to follow sin through the dictates of the lusts of the flesh and through the deceitfully wicked unrenewed heart. This does not mean we are free to commit sin again, as if sin was no longer sinful for us as some Christians throughout the ages have claimed. If by committing sin we were made servants of sin then continuing to sin would only keep us in bondage. The freedom offered by Jesus is the true reconciliation of man to God by receiving the love of God and a restoration to the image of God in us.

At no point in this is a command to abolish the restriction against what was once sinful. Sinners are not reconciled to God through the abolishing of the law. Even in the Garden of Eden, when Adam and Eve were without fault and in perfect harmony with the will of God, there was a restriction against eating a certain food. There was also no mention of an allowance to eat meat when what would be their diet was spelled out to them.

When Adam and Eve chose to obey the suggestion of the serpent and distrust God they effectively gave their obedience to Satan. Yet, in the first promise of the Messiah, God said "I will put enmity between thee and the woman". In other words, our obedience to Satan would be replaced with enmity, and our enmity to God would be replaced by a restoration to the genuine love for God that we once had. The Truth, Jesus, is what makes us free.