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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law
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I understood GC, but the way Jesus fulfilled through anti-type was His way of offering sacrifice. He offered himself a sacrifice.
Because of the perfection of Jesus, He was not even required to be ceremonially cleansed after touching the dead or diseased.
Even at His last Passover supper there was no lamb for the meal, because Jesus was the lamb's flesh that they ate.
"While the people were assembling at Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover, He, the antitypical Lamb, by a voluntary act set Himself apart as an oblation. It would be needful for His church in all succeeding ages to make His death for the sins of the world a subject of deep thought and study. Every fact connected with it should be verified beyond a doubt. It was necessary, then, that the eyes of all people should now be directed to Him; the events which preceded His great sacrifice must be such as to call attention to the sacrifice itself. After such a demonstration as that attending His entry into Jerusalem, all eyes would follow His rapid progress to the final scene." {DA 571.2}
Before His thirtieth birthday Jesus was part of all the ceremonial law, part of the family offerings etc, but he never would have to offer sin offering for Himself because He had not sinned. I'm sure this caused a lot of skepticism and ridicule from His brothers and neighbors.
He was bought with a price at His birth and made the pilgrimages to Jerusalem every year, and these are offerings. He gave everything of Himself as an offering, then gave Himself as a sacrifice. Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness, to fulfill the ceremonies He gave to the people that point to Him.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law
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If Jesus participated in the ceremonial system He would have been admitting that He was a sinner, in which He was not. "Christ passed through all the experiences of His childhood, youth, and manhood without the observance of ceremonial temple worship." (The Bible Echo, October 31, 1898) Jesus Christ told John at his baptism, "Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness." (Mat. 3:15) Of that baptism, John spoke saying, "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance." (verse 11). It is obvious that Jesus practiced that which indicated prior sin and thus the need to be cleansed. Consider as well his own words concerning the Passover, "And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover. Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve. AND AS THEY DID EAT ...." (Mat. 26:19-21) In another place, he also said, "With desire I HAVE DESIRED TO EAT this passover with you before I suffer." (Luke 22:15) That Passover Lamb represented Christ who was going to sacrifice himself, a sacrifice indicative of the sinner's need of salvation, for the salvation of all they who ate it in faith. He ate it. Thirdly, he was circumcised, according to the law. "When eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb." (Luke 2:21-24) You may recall that when Abraham was circumcised, God told him, "I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect." (Gen. 17:1) Circumcision was not instituted because of an arbitrary command without rhyme or reason, but because of sin. Jesus was every bit a Jew, a keeper of the Law. But he was more than that. He understood its purpose, and was always careful to weigh it against mercy and compassion for those who struggle in the darkness of this life. He understood the things he was doing, what the ceremonies really meant and explained their purposes to those who were willing to hear: just as he did for his disciples at the Passover, and for John at his baptism. It is A FALSEHOOD: the notion that Jesus throughout his life, lived "without the observance of ceremonial temple worship." (Mat. 5:17-19) / First: Jesus and John understood that Jesus did NOT require baptism! Jesus was fulfilling the laver part of the Heavenly Sanctuary, not anything to do with the earthly, or typical sanctuary service on earth. Second: Passover was a feast day, and not a temple service. Jesus never offer an animal lamb or any animal as a sacrifice for sin. Jesus was sinless. Third: Jesus didn't sacrifice a sin offering as a child! There was never a reason for or need to offer a sin offering at the temple. Instead, Jesus taught the Jewish leaders in the temple. Fourth: Jesus actually challenged anyone, including the Jewish leaders, to accuse Him of sin. And no one was able to do so. Ellen White's statement from Review and Herald is powerful and accurate.
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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law
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About forty days after the birth of Christ, Joseph and Mary took Him to Jerusalem, to present Him to the Lord, and to offer sacrifice. This was according to the Jewish law, and as man's substitute Christ must conform to the law in every particular. He had already been subjected to the rite of circumcision, as a pledge of His obedience to the law. {DA 50.1} Blessings, Green Cochoa. Note that Mrs. White says "Christ must conform to the law in every particular" about something that His earthly parents were doing on His behalf. And they were offering sacrifice, not just complying with circumcision. What kind of sacrifice was this? Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law
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Did all ceremonial temple worship deal with a personal sin? No. The morning and evening sacrifices were not offered by the one who sinned.
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law
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About forty days after the birth of Christ, Joseph and Mary took Him to Jerusalem, to present Him to the Lord, and to offer sacrifice. {DA 50.1} they were offering sacrifice, not just complying with circumcision. What kind of sacrifice was this? It was fulfilling the redemption price of the first born. (See Exodus 13:12-13) There was also a sacrifice for cleansing from the issue of blood required of women after childbirth. Lev. 12:7
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Re: Christ Never Observed the Ceremonial Law
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This is an interesting topic. I know it is old, but I just wanted to add something to this. "From its earliest years the Jewish child was surrounded with the requirements of the rabbis. Rigid rules were prescribed for every act, down to the smallest details of life. Under the synagogue teachers the youth were instructed in the countless regulations which as orthodox Israelites they were expected to observe. But Jesus did not interest Himself in these matters. From childhood He acted independently of the rabbinical laws. The Scriptures of the Old Testament were His constant study, and the words, “Thus saith the Lord,” were ever upon His lips." Desire of Ages p. 84 I have a feeling that this is what Ellen White was referring to when she said Christ did not get involved with the temple ceremonial worship. Also, there is a difference between "temple ceremonial worship" and the "ceremonial law". The ceremonial law was given by God. Much of the "temple ceremonial worship" was that which was given by the authority of man alone. The rabbinical schools of Christ's day were basically schools of Greek skepticism in which absolute nonsense was debated, and enforced upon the people, as if it really mattered. The Jewish leaders of the day placed their own teachings above the word of God.
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About forty days after the birth of Christ, Joseph and Mary took Him to Jerusalem, to present Him to the Lord, and to offer sacrifice. {DA 50.1} they were offering sacrifice, not just complying with circumcision. What kind of sacrifice was this? It was fulfilling the redemption price of the first born. (See Exodus 13:12-13) There was also a sacrifice for cleansing from the issue of blood required of women after childbirth. Lev. 12:7 This has brought a new thought to me. It seems that a "firstborn" in Jewish culture was the firstborn of the mother, not the father. It had to be so because Joseph and Mary could_not/would_not have offered an offering for a first born in the case of Jesus if the father counted, for Joseph already had children.
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