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Re: "Easter" Questions
[Re: The Wanderer]
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04/24/17 06:02 PM
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It takes some very loose connections and very stretched points to connect Easter to the false sabbath Why do you even call it Easter and not Passover/Feast of Unleavened Bread? Why not look at the symbology built into these types instead of using a false name celebrated on a false day? Christ was not raised on "easter," but on the 2nd day of the feast of unleavened bread, on the day of the wave sheaf. Current day "Christianity" all but obliterates the meaning in the type.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: "Easter" Questions
[Re: APL]
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04/24/17 06:46 PM
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 APL, dedication, kland and Alchemy...if you guys want to talk about how Easter Sunday sabotage the Sabbath keeping or that "Easter Sunday" is not the proper way to call it ...then start a new discussion. There's no need to hi-jack this one. This topic is not about what you guys want to talk about.  Just as a reminder of the topic of this discussion here's the OP : The topic of the resurrection seems to come into most prominence and recognition around this time of year. But I must confess it is only because of my birthday being this time of year, that I recall this amazing theme from the Bible.
It did get me to thinking about something though. I always enjoy any focus on the resurrection, but most years, I am left wondering why so much focus on the resurrection, with so little focus on the crucifixion, or the life of our Lord?
I think of a verse that helps me to sum up my many questions:
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"That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;" (Phil 3:10)
Years ago, I was holding the hand of an elderly gentleman as he was dying, and something made me pick up his Bible with one hand and just start to leaf casually through it. The first thing that caught my eye was this text, scrawled in his hand writing. I turned to this man who was dying and told him what I saw, and he gripped my hand tight, smiled, and died.
I will never forget this text, and this text leads to my summary of all my other questions. World leaders and pastors everywhere, if they do celebrate Easter, usually focus on the resurrection. But this text mentions two things:
1) "the power of His resurrection..."
2) "the fellowship of His sufferings..."
Which of these two should we focus on more and why? What should each of these two phrases should manifest most in our daily life, and how should that look to the outside world?
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Re: "Easter" Questions
[Re: kland]
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04/24/17 06:49 PM
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Kland has a very valid point.
It takes some very loose connections and very stretched points to connect Easter to the false sabbath; I guess we'll have to disagree. I think Dedication showed very tight and connected points of how Easter was the cause of Sunday worship. Maybe what you should have asked, is how do people commonly celebrate Easter day related to a false Sabbath (other than people not realizing what they are really celebrating)? "Disagreement" is fine, however, this business of connecting Easter, to the false sabbath, is well beyond the stated scope in the OP. I clearly stated that I was hoping for discussion involving the resurrection and the cross. Those who wish to veer from that should just start another topic.
"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance." "There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8) https://www.lightintheclouds.net/wordSincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit - The Wanderer
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Re: "Easter" Questions
[Re: Nadi]
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04/24/17 06:52 PM
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It takes some very loose connections and very stretched points to connect Easter to the false sabbath Unfortunately, Wanderer, that is SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) here on this forum. Well; I guess there are good ones and bad ones. It is still worth trying to discuss. I personally, have always enjoyed discussing the cross and the resurrection, as they have been integral in my life, and in helping me to stay connected to God. 
"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance." "There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8) https://www.lightintheclouds.net/wordSincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit - The Wanderer
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Re: "Easter" Questions
[Re: APL]
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04/24/17 06:57 PM
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It takes some very loose connections and very stretched points to connect Easter to the false sabbath Why do you even call it Easter and not Passover/Feast of Unleavened Bread? Why not look at the symbology built into these types instead of using a false name celebrated on a false day? Christ was not raised on "easter," but on the 2nd day of the feast of unleavened bread, on the day of the wave sheaf. Current day "Christianity" all but obliterates the meaning in the type. I dont call it Easter. That, as I am sure you know, is what others have chosen to call it. My use of the term was chosen quite deliberately, but I did not choose this name. If you are trying to imply my support for said term, because I quoted what others have said, then you are wrong. To correct you, "Easter" actually does not refer just to "Sunday." It refers to Friday, Sat and Sunday.
"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance." "There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8) https://www.lightintheclouds.net/wordSincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit - The Wanderer
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Re: "Easter" Questions
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04/24/17 07:00 PM
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APL, dedication, kland and Alchemy...if you guys want to talk about how Easter Sunday sabotage the Sabbath keeping or that "Easter Sunday" is not the proper way to call it ...then start a new discussion. There's no need to hi-jack this one. This topic is not about what you guys want to talk about. Just as a reminder of the topic of this discussion here's the OP : The topic of the resurrection seems to come into most prominence and recognition around this time of year. But I must confess it is only because of my birthday being this time of year, that I recall this amazing theme from the Bible.
It did get me to thinking about something though. I always enjoy any focus on the resurrection, but most years, I am left wondering why so much focus on the resurrection, with so little focus on the crucifixion, or the life of our Lord?
I think of a verse that helps me to sum up my many questions:
Quote:
"That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;" (Phil 3:10)
Years ago, I was holding the hand of an elderly gentleman as he was dying, and something made me pick up his Bible with one hand and just start to leaf casually through it. The first thing that caught my eye was this text, scrawled in his hand writing. I turned to this man who was dying and told him what I saw, and he gripped my hand tight, smiled, and died.
I will never forget this text, and this text leads to my summary of all my other questions. World leaders and pastors everywhere, if they do celebrate Easter, usually focus on the resurrection. But this text mentions two things:
1) "the power of His resurrection..."
2) "the fellowship of His sufferings..."
Which of these two should we focus on more and why? What should each of these two phrases should manifest most in our daily life, and how should that look to the outside world? Yes! What you said!
"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance." "There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8) https://www.lightintheclouds.net/wordSincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit - The Wanderer
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Re: "Easter" Questions
[Re: The Wanderer]
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04/25/17 12:54 AM
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To correct you, "Easter" actually does not refer just to "Sunday." It refers to Friday, Sat and Sunday. Easter is a concoction of false ideas. The crucifixion is the antitype of Passover and its feast. Why not talk about the true and not the false?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: "Easter" Questions
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04/25/17 04:41 AM
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When a person reads the title of the thread and the first sentence of the opening post they first see a very strong connection to the question of Easter and the papacy.
The title: "Easter questions"
Opening post starts with a link to "current pope's Easter message".
The discussion is actually very much in line with the title of the thread.
Also the connection between the adoption of the Easter date to celebrate Christ's death and resurrection to replace the Passover date, and the change of the Sabbath to Sunday is not at all "loose" or stretched" -- it was a FACT in the early history of the Christian Church, and the very foundation of the change.
However, Wanderer, did try to lead the discussion into the meaning of the cross and the resurrection.
Maybe a thread entitled "Importance of Christ's Death and Resurrection" would direct the minds of both readers and writers to that central theme of salvation which Wanderer first envisioned would be the direction the posts of the thread would take?
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Re: "Easter" Questions
[Re: The Wanderer]
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04/25/17 06:26 AM
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OK. Please don't criticize until you read the whole post here. Today, I read the current pope's Easter message. I thought it was quite good, as far as it went. In part, this is what he said: “Jesus has risen from the dead,” Francis said. “And this is not a fantasy. It’s not a celebration with many flowers [pointing at the arrangements surrounding him]. This is beautiful, but [the resurrection] is more.” “It is the mystery of the thrown-away stone, that ends up being the cornerstone of our existence. Christ has risen from the dead. In this throwaway culture, where that which is not useful takes the path of the use-and-throw, where that which is not useful is discarded, that stone that was discarded is the fountain of life,” ( https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/04/16/resurrection-not-fantasy-pope-francis-insists-easter-sunday/) So to be clear, i am in no way criticizing what the pope said. I actually think it was quite nicely done. The topic of the resurrection seems to come into most prominence and recognition around this time of year. But I must confess it is only because of my birthday being this time of year, that I recall this amazing theme from the Bible. It did get me to thinking about something though. I always enjoy any focus on the resurrection, but most years, I am left wondering why so much focus on the resurrection, with so little focus on the crucifixion, or the life of our Lord? I think of a verse that helps me to sum up my many questions: "That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;" (Phil 3:10) Years ago, I was holding the hand of an elderly gentleman as he was dying, and something made me pick up his Bible with one hand and just start to leaf casually through it. The first thing that caught my eye was this text, scrawled in his hand writing. I turned to this man who was dying and told him what I saw, and he gripped my hand tight, smiled, and died. I will never forget this text, and this text leads to my summary of all my other questions. World leaders and pastors everywhere, if they do celebrate Easter, usually focus on the resurrection. But this text mentions two things: 1) "the power of His resurrection..." 2) "the fellowship of His sufferings..." Which of these two should we focus on more and why? What should each of these two phrases should manifest most in our daily life, and how should that look to the outside world? The sacrifice of Christ as atonement for sin is the great truth around which all other truths cluster.--Gospel Workers, p. 315. {7ABC 457.1} It [the cross] is the central pillar on which hangs the far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory which is for those who accept that cross. Under and around the cross of Christ, that immortal pillar, sin shall never revive, nor error obtain control.--Letter 124, 1900. {7ABC 457.2} The Sacrifice of Christ as an atonement for sin is the great truth around which all other truths cluster. In order to be rightly understood and appreciated, every truth in the Word of God, from Genesis to Revelation, must be studied in the light that streams from the cross of Calvary. I present before you the great, grand monument of mercy and regeneration, salvation and redemption,--the Son of God uplifted on the cross. This is to be the foundation of every discourse given by our ministers.[and forum members]--Gospel Workers, p. 315. {7ABC 457.3} People are going to call it "Easter" as long as time remains, but we can profit much more on the salient points by a closer focus on the cross, and Christ crucified, for this is the whole point of the resurrection.
"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance." "There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8) https://www.lightintheclouds.net/wordSincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit - The Wanderer
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Re: "Easter" Questions
[Re: Nadi]
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04/25/17 11:59 AM
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It takes some very loose connections and very stretched points to connect Easter to the false sabbath Unfortunately, Wanderer, that is SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) here on this forum. I find it wise to listen to God's prophets. SOP being the Spirit of Prophecy.
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