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#183669 - 05/15/17 06:12 PM Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold. * [Re: His child]
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: His child
I think I replied to everything directed to me in this thread. If I missed something please send me a PM to point me to the post if you want me to comment on it.
Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: His child
The alpha is A and the omega is W in Greek.
Yes, it appears like a "W" in "Greek". But what is omega in Latin/English?


The comments that I have posted on Alpha & Omega (AW - WA) clearly express my current understanding.
So you are saying that the Greek alphabet, the English alphabet, the facts have nothing to do with your understanding? Absolute error glaring in your face and yet it's full steam ahead.

His child, this is why people don't believe you. You disregard the facts and make things up expecting others to accept your imaginings as you do.
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#183723 - 05/19/17 02:13 PM Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold. [Re: kland]
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: His child
The alpha is A and the omega is W in Greek.
Yes, it appears like a "W" in "Greek". But what is omega in Latin/English?

Originally Posted By: His child

The comments that I have posted on Alpha & Omega (AW - WA) clearly express my current understanding.
Originally Posted By: kland
So you are saying that the Greek alphabet, the English alphabet, the facts have nothing to do with your understanding? Absolute error glaring in your face and yet it's full steam ahead.

His child, this is why people don't believe you. You disregard the facts and make things up expecting others to accept your imaginings as you do.


kland,

Thank you for your comments.

As hard as I struggled to understand the objections that you raised in your post, it just didn't make sense. Now that I have let it sit for a while, it clicked. I understand what you are saying.

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The alpha is A and the lowercase omega is written in Greek as something that resembles a W.


I should word it differently. Jesus is the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega. In the parable when Jesus said that the last shall be first, the the American Presidents that correlate with the 11th hour parable have what appears to be an omega (W) and an alpha in the sequencing that is reversed as Jesus indicated.

To express a thought so that it is understood the way that it was intended by its author is difficult at times. The hearer hears it from his perspective and ascribes to it motives and imaginations and biases and so much more from their life experience. It is a wonder...

Thank you
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#183750 - 05/22/17 11:40 AM Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold. [Re: Mark Shipowick]
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Sorry, but I have a serious problem with prophecy which compares two languages and looks at letters which "appears" to resemble a letter in another language.

Omega is in no way related to "W". Do you agree?
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#183754 - 05/22/17 02:27 PM Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold. [Re: kland]
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Originally Posted By: kland
Sorry, but I have a serious problem with prophecy which compares two languages and looks at letters which "appears" to resemble a letter in another language.

Omega is in no way related to "W". Do you agree?


I cannot agree since the lowercase Greek omega resembles a W in Greek writing. It is like

Quote:
trans·lit·er·ate tr.v. trans·lit·er·at·ed, trans·lit·er·at·ing, trans·lit·er·ates. To represent (letters or words) in the corresponding characters of another alphabet.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/transliteration
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#183755 - 05/22/17 04:18 PM Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold. [Re: His child]
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: kland
Sorry, but I have a serious problem with prophecy which compares two languages and looks at letters which "appears" to resemble a letter in another language.

Omega is in no way related to "W". Do you agree?


I cannot agree since the lowercase Greek omega resembles a W in Greek writing. It is like

Quote:
trans·lit·er·ate tr.v. trans·lit·er·at·ed, trans·lit·er·at·ing, trans·lit·er·ates. To represent (letters or words) in the corresponding characters of another alphabet.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/transliteration


It appears that you like Bible codes, and put much stock in them. What do you think of this? I think it's quite clever!

Originally Posted By: David Montaigne

I am not suggesting that Donald Trump absolutely *IS* the last trump – but since the LAST TRUMP is one of the most clear and final signs in end times prophecy, can we overlook the possibility that a presidential candidate named Trump is being used as a sign by God? I have been explaining that evidence points towards everyone knowing the real identity of the politician who has not yet been revealed as the Antichrist in 2016. (I suspect one politician in particular, but then again I thought this would have been much more clear by now already…)

As for biblical clues on an end times TRUMP:

First, Paul wrote to the Church at Thessalonica, “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words” (I Thess. 4:13-18).

Second, Paul wrote to the Church at Corinth, “Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality” (I Cor. 15:51-53).



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#183756 - 05/22/17 04:41 PM Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold. [Re: Mark Shipowick]
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I am not suggesting that Donald Trump absolutely *IS* the last trump – but since the LAST TRUMP is one of the most clear and
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final signs in end times prophecy, can we overlook the possibility that a presidential candidate named Trump is being used as a sign by God? I have been explaining that evidence points towards everyone knowing the real identity of the politician who has not yet been revealed as the Antichrist in 2016. (I suspect one politician in particular, but then again I thought this would have been much more clear by now already…)

As for biblical clues on an end times TRUMP:
It is a fairly big distortion of the Biblical text to make it say 1) that "the antichrist" is a specific politician," and 2) that the Bible's end times description has anything about "Trump" in it, as in President Trump. It is being disrespectful to the President, and while the Bible does contain "trumpets" used in several contexts, there is nothing to do with President Trump.
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#183758 - 05/23/17 12:08 AM Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold. [Re: James Peterson]
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: kland
Sorry, but I have a serious problem with prophecy which compares two languages and looks at letters which "appears" to resemble a letter in another language.

Omega is in no way related to "W". Do you agree?


I cannot agree since the lowercase Greek omega resembles a W in Greek writing. It is like

Quote:
trans·lit·er·ate tr.v. trans·lit·er·at·ed, trans·lit·er·at·ing, trans·lit·er·ates. To represent (letters or words) in the corresponding characters of another alphabet.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/transliteration


It appears that you like Bible codes, and put much stock in them. What do you think of this? I think it's quite clever!

Originally Posted By: David Montaigne

I am not suggesting that Donald Trump absolutely *IS* the last trump – but since the LAST TRUMP is one of the most clear and final signs in end times prophecy, can we overlook the possibility that a presidential candidate named Trump is being used as a sign by God? I have been explaining that evidence points towards everyone knowing the real identity of the politician who has not yet been revealed as the Antichrist in 2016. (I suspect one politician in particular, but then again I thought this would have been much more clear by now already…)

As for biblical clues on an end times TRUMP:

First, Paul wrote to the Church at Thessalonica, “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words” (I Thess. 4:13-18).

Second, Paul wrote to the Church at Corinth, “Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality” (I Cor. 15:51-53).



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God does have a sense of humor. President Trump and VP Pence. Have you wondered how the text would read if they were a secondary meaning of the text?

“Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the TRUMP-PENCE shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality” (I Cor. 15:51-53).
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#183759 - 05/23/17 12:12 AM Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold. [Re: The Wanderer]
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Originally Posted By: The Wanderer
I am not suggesting that Donald Trump absolutely *IS* the last trump – but since the LAST TRUMP is one of the most clear and
Quote:
final signs in end times prophecy, can we overlook the possibility that a presidential candidate named Trump is being used as a sign by God? I have been explaining that evidence points towards everyone knowing the real identity of the politician who has not yet been revealed as the Antichrist in 2016. (I suspect one politician in particular, but then again I thought this would have been much more clear by now already…)

As for biblical clues on an end times TRUMP:
It is a fairly big distortion of the Biblical text to make it say 1) that "the antichrist" is a specific politician," and 2) that the Bible's end times description has anything about "Trump" in it, as in President Trump. It is being disrespectful to the President, and while the Bible does contain "trumpets" used in several contexts, there is nothing to do with President Trump.


The same God that Named king Nebuchadnezzar by name "thou art this head of gold" and Cyrus by name 175 years before he was born or ever thought of being the ruler of the known world, is quite capable of identifying America's last President in Bible prophecy and the last Trump if He so desires.
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#183760 - 05/23/17 02:21 AM Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold. [Re: His child]
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Originally Posted By: His child

The same God that Named king Nebuchadnezzar by name "thou art this head of gold" and Cyrus by name 175 years before he was born or ever thought of being the ruler of the known world, is quite capable of identifying America's last President in Bible prophecy and the last Trump if He so desires.
No one said or hinted that God was "not capable" of doing such a thing; however, it is being said that we, as in you or I cannot do this. God alone names who we need to know the names of, and He does so very sparingly, concerning "the time of the end." We as humans, have no authority or ability from God's Word to pluck whatever names out of our prophecy hat we want to, and to insert them into God's Word, while the whole time pronouncing those who do not accept such things as "Laodicea" or any similar denunciations

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Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. (Deut 4:2)
This would include adding the names of Presidents or Kings, or other leaders, who are not named in the Bible
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#183762 - 05/23/17 12:17 PM Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold. [Re: The Wanderer]
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Originally Posted By: The Wanderer
Originally Posted By: His child

The same God that Named king Nebuchadnezzar by name "thou art this head of gold" and Cyrus by name 175 years before he was born or ever thought of being the ruler of the known world, is quite capable of identifying America's last President in Bible prophecy and the last Trump if He so desires.
No one said or hinted that God was "not capable" of doing such a thing; however, it is being said that we, as in you or I cannot do this. God alone names who we need to know the names of, and He does so very sparingly, concerning "the time of the end." We as humans, have no authority or ability from God's Word to pluck whatever names out of our prophecy hat we want to, and to insert them into God's Word, while the whole time pronouncing those who do not accept such things as "Laodicea" or any similar denunciations

Quote:
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. (Deut 4:2)
This would include adding the names of Presidents or Kings, or other leaders, who are not named in the Bible


If that "principle" were applied as you suggest, papal Rome would never be identified in the Bible as having the number 666. But of course, you are not talking about the Church's identifying papal Rome, you are objecting to use the same principle to identify Presidents that you do not believe are identified in the Bible.

When the LORD places knowledge in His word, we can seek to understand what He has revealed and preach it to the best of our understanding, or we can invent reasons to give ourselves cover for not believing what His revealed word says and what it means.

Apostate religions have been doing that for years. The Sabbath is a great example. A well known preacher was preaching a series on the 10 Commandments. When he got to the Sabbath Commandment, a friend listening to the broadcast said, "He's going to get mad now." Why do you think that i asked? "Because he does not have a Scripture to stand on so he is going to go to holy indignation." And the preacher did that very thing as he twisted God's Sabbath into Sunday.

Tradition is alive and well beneath her cloak of piety. But it is not the robe that we should wear. Christ's righteousness is a far more desirable robe for His followers.
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