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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #184994
08/26/17 09:08 PM
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While the "news reports" are of interest,
the prophetic conclusions are preparing the world
NOT for any emergence in a great world peace, nor for Jehovah's kingdom,
BUT for the greatest deception yet to come.

Mystery Babylon is a papal led movement,
it's aim is to overthrow Protestantism and everything that protestant America once stood for,
and bring in a supposed ecumenical peace led by the pope,
united with spiritualistic forces, a great FALSE revival will sweep the religious world
and a christ will come BUT it will not be the Christ of scripture at all.

It will be the "dragon" himself seeking to devour the true Christ. That has, from the beginning, been the dragon's greatest ambition -- to dethrone Christ and sit on the throne himself.
The dragon is that old serpent, the devil.
Satan will appear personating Christ, looking like Christ, speaking like Christ, but the discerning will recognize the imposter as he will speak against God's commandments and institute and enforce the commandments of men.

Stephen Jones, whom Elle appears to look to as a great teacher, is NOT a prophet or teacher of God.

He is preparing for the delusion:

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2Thess. 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


And I, for one, do not understand why an Adventist forum is presenting this very false teaching that is utterly in just about every point, in opposition to the teachings of the last day prophet sent to the church to warn us SPECIFICALLY against the teachings of men like Stephen Jones.

Hopefully the only good -- it will lead people to see the deceptions Adventist have long warned about, and are being promoted.

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: dedication] #184996
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Originally Posted By: dedication
While the "news reports" are of interest,
the prophetic conclusions are preparing the world
NOT for any emergence in a great world peace, nor for Jehovah's kingdom,
BUT for the greatest deception yet to come.

Mystery Babylon is a papal led movement,
it's aim is to overthrow Protestantism and everything that protestant America once stood for,
and bring in a supposed ecumenical peace led by the pope,
The "greatest deception" ever to come will be the second coming of Christ.


"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance."

"There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8)
https://www.lightintheclouds.net/word

Sincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit


- The Wanderer
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: The Wanderer] #184998
08/26/17 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: The Wanderer
Originally Posted By: dedication
While the "news reports" are of interest,
the prophetic conclusions are preparing the world
NOT for any emergence in a great world peace, nor for Jehovah's kingdom,
BUT for the greatest deception yet to come.

Mystery Babylon is a papal led movement,
it's aim is to overthrow Protestantism and everything that protestant America once stood for,
and bring in a supposed ecumenical peace led by the pope,...
a christ will come BUT it will not be the Christ of scripture at all.

It will be the "dragon" himself seeking to devour the true Christ. That has, from the beginning, been the dragon's greatest ambition -- to dethrone Christ and sit on the throne himself.
The dragon is that old serpent, the devil.
Satan will appear personating Christ, looking like Christ, speaking like Christ, but the discerning will recognize the imposter as he will speak against God's commandments and institute and enforce the commandments of men.
The "greatest deception" ever to come will be the second coming of Christ.


I must disagree --
Christ's second coming is NO DECEPTION -- it is the glorious hope of salvation. The great reality of eternal salvation.

However, (and this may be what you meant) Christ's second coming will fully expose and overthrow the great deception and counterfeits of Satan!

And the truth will be awful for those who fell for the deception and followed the false christ.

May we be among those, who at Christ's second coming will exclaim:
"This is our God, we have waited for Him"


Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: dedication] #184999
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Originally Posted By: dedication

I must disagree --
Christ's second coming is NO DECEPTION -- it is the glorious hope of salvation.
However, (and this may be what you meant) Christ's second coming will fully expose the great deception and counterfeits of Satan!

And the truth will be awful for those who fell for the deception, and followed the false christ.
There will be an attempt to fake the second coming, and this is clearly outlined in prophecy. It will "decieve if possible, the very elect"


"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance."

"There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8)
https://www.lightintheclouds.net/word

Sincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit


- The Wanderer
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: The Wanderer] #185000
08/26/17 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: The Wanderer

There will be an attempt to fake the second coming, and this is clearly outlined in prophecy. It will "decieve if possible, the very elect"


Exactly -- this Stephen Jones and this "restructure" message is all preparing people to accept the "fake" Christ, who supposedly sets up here on earth.

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: dedication] #185001
08/26/17 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Originally Posted By: The Wanderer

There will be an attempt to fake the second coming, and this is clearly outlined in prophecy. It will "decieve if possible, the very elect"


Exactly -- this Stephen Jones and this "restructure" message is all preparing people to accept the "fake" Christ, who supposedly sets up here on earth.


"All the help Christ received, every person may receive in the great trial.—Letter 116, 1899. {CTr 195.5}"


"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance."

"There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8)
https://www.lightintheclouds.net/word

Sincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit


- The Wanderer
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #185007
08/27/17 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Mystery Babylon is a papal led movement

I do understand that it is hard for anyone sincerely dedicated to the SDA Church to think outside the Church interpretation of Rev 13. However, our dedication is to Christ and not to a denomination nor to their interpretations.

To me SDA interpretation of Rev 13 doesn't hold water. I have expressed many times very explicitly where the holes are and how I don't see it fitting to scriptures and historical events. ( here's a few posts....see The Second Beast of Rev 13 is not "Apostate Protestant ( post 177171, post 177226 ); the Rev 16:12 link of Old Babylon(type) with Mystery Babylon(antitype) (post 179646, post 166869).

History and events are the fulfillment of prophesy for the Lord is Sovereign and fulfills His words thru history. History is an undeniable witness of the Lord's hand at work fulfilling His word in prophesies.

For those who still thinks the Pope or the papacy runs the show....to me that's not what history tells us and it's not even what scriptures(Rev 13) tells us either...see bumped post 181326 below.

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Originally Posted By: Alchemy
Not only do I believe the Papacy is part of the Babylon elites, I believe the Papacy leads the Babylon elites!

Who is on the top that leads the Elites has been kept secretive, deceptive, and confusing since the beginning of their rulership for "Mystery[secret] Babylon" has long made sure it was not an easy task to figure it out. Their power lied in the fact their existence was kept secret so to better control the world.

That's why we need to go back to historical sources and testimonies of those in those days that first handed came in dealing with them.

Actually the Jewish encyclopedia makes it clear who is on top. It is found in an article on the Rothschilds (in Vol. X), where it states :

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“It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.”


That quote above and others are found in Stephen Jones compilation & study :

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The Guardians of Papal Treasure
Jun 01, 2016

For four decades, as I studied the power structure of the modern beast, I noted that historians differed in their opinion as to who actually was in control of the present system. Most of these historians agree that the world is controlled by money and banking, but they did not agree on who controlled the big banks.

This question is vital to understanding the beast from the earth and his relationship with the beast from the sea. Revelation 13:12 says of the second beast,

12 And he exercises [or executes] all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.

This is an unusual situation. The second beast “exercises all the authority of the first beast,” and yet “he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast.” In all previous cases where a beast has arisen, he has overthrown the previous beast and relegated him to the pages of history. Whenever we see something unusual, we must examine it more closely to find out why it is so.

The first thing we see is that the authority itself was indeed transferred from the first to the second beast. Yet in spite of this, we see a cooperation of some kind being set up, wherein the conquered beast, having been brought back to life, is allowed to be worshipped as in previous times. In other words, the second beast does not want to be worshipped, for that would necessitate being out in the open. This second beast prefers to remain hidden and to keep the previous beast in place as the visible object of worship.

The Mystery

Such an arrangement comes out clearly in later chapters, where “the great harlot” carries the name “Mystery Babylon.” The term mystery comes from musterion, which means secret or hidden. Hence, the transition of power from the first beast to the second is the point where the beast empires (going back to Babylon) went underground so that they might rule in secret. Its secretive nature is even suggested by the fact that it was kept secret from Daniel himself. Only John exposes it for us to see.

There seems to be no other compelling reason for God to keep the final beast hidden from Daniel, other than to illustrate its secretive nature. Furthermore, because the first beast continued to be worshipped even after receiving a fatal wound, that first beast visibly appeared to rule until the authority was transferred to the saints of the Most High.

Not understanding this has caused many researchers to believe that the Vatican continues to rule the earth by its control of Western law and all corporations based upon that law. It is also argued often that the Vatican controls the Federal Reserve. But Revelation 13:12 does not support such a belief. John tells us that a new beast arose after 1,260 years, which secretly took all the authority of the first beast, while leaving that first beast as a visible object of worship in the world. In other words, the financial beast from the earth rules over the religious beast from the sea (Holy See).

The Boast

Obviously, proof in the form of signed documents are in short supply, for such papers would defeat the whole purpose of this secret arrangement. Without such hard proof, we have only Scripture at our disposal, which we may believe or disbelieve. Nonetheless, there have always been a few in each generation in the top echelons of power who know of this arrangement. It is inevitable that pieces of information would be leaked, especially since it is the nature of carnal men to want to boast of their power.

And so we find such a boast, written tersely with no explanation, in The Jewish Encyclopedia itself. The key is found in an article on the Rothschilds (in Vol. X), where it is written,

Quote:
“It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.”


http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12909-rothschild

In other words, the Rothschilds became the “guardians” of the Vatican’s wealth, holding the key to Rome’s money. When this arrangement began—or what it means to be a “guardian”—is not stated, but the context of the article above states that a Catholic bank, Union Générale, had been set up in 1876 as to compete with the Jewish Rothschild banks, hoping the Vatican would entrust them (instead of the Rothschilds) with their money. This Rothschild competitor apparently did not realize that the Vatican had lost control of its own finances at the time of the Holy Alliance and was therefore unable to entrust its money to a Catholic bank.

Was it by choice that the Roman church continued to utilize a Jewish bank rather than a Catholic bank? If the choice had been left to the Vatican, it seems logical that they would have entrusted their money to Catholics who respected the spiritual authority of the church. But the Vatican seemed to ignore the Catholic bank, and the Rothschilds retained control over the Vatican accounts. Why?

The key is in understanding what a guardian is. Black’s Law Dictionary defines a guardian as:

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“A guardian is a person lawfully invested with the power, and charged with the duty, of taking care of the person and managing the property and rights of another person who, for some peculiarity of status, or defect of age, understanding, or self-control, is considered incapable of administering his own affairs.”


A guardian is appointed to exercise authority over the financial affairs of a minor, or someone who is mentally impaired, or one who suffers from a lack of self-control. Control of the owner’s finances is entrusted to the guardian who has understanding. Recall that the Apostle Paul said in Galatians 4:1-3,

1 Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is the owner of everything, 2 but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by the father. 3 So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental things of the world.

Children say that they own certain things, but their ownership is subject to the will of another and is therefore not absolute. So also was the Vatican subjected by the Holy Alliance in 1815 to certain terms by which they would be allowed to continue. The popes were legally declared children, minors, under the guardianship of others, and their “treasure,” not only money but property, buildings, art, etc. came under guardianship.

There is no doubt that the Jewish Encyclopedia used the term guardian as a precise legal term. It suggests that the Roman church had been allowed to survive its deadly wound only on condition that it turned over its property and finances to the Rothschilds as their legal guardians. Thus, the Vatican had to admit legally that it was incapable of administering its own affairs on account of its past excesses.

Doubtless, it was the powers of the Holy Alliance that discussed this issue, bringing up earlier fears of Jesuit power. It seems that they agreed to allow the Jesuit Order to be reinstated, along with the church itself, on condition that their money be spent with certain limitations at the approval of the Rothschilds, acting as agents of the world powers.

The Bankers of the Holy Alliance

The Rothschilds were the “bankers to the Holy Alliance,” as Niall Ferguson says in two statements on the same page in Vol. II, The House of Rothschild:

Quote:
“Thus by the end of 1822 the Rothschilds could justifiably be regarded as bankers to the Holy Alliance…” (p. 127)

“The final coup which completed the Rothschilds’ emergence as ‘bankers to the Holy Alliance’ came in 1822 with the loan to Russia.” (p. 127)

He was referring to the Rothschilds emerging as the main banker who gave loans to the big three nations of the day, showing the stature of this banking house by this time. It adds credence to the Rothschild’s appointment as “guardians of the papal treasure.”

Ferguson also quotes the sons of Mayer Amschel Rothschild, who recalled their father’s words:

Quote:
“Our late father taught us that if a high-placed person enters into [financial] partnership with a Jew, he belongs to the Jew” (The House of Rothschild, Vol. II, p. 77).

It is apparent, then, that the Rothschilds became the legal guardians of the Vatican in 1815 and that this became more apparent in 1822.

The Rothschilds and the Royals

The Rothschilds themselves were the guardians, but this did not mean that they held actual power over the Vatican—at least not at first. Their power increased over time, of course, and gradually they were able to use the power of money to assert their will upon monarchs and nations. Certainly, they would have remembered the words of the Rothschild patriarch, and they would have worked toward subjecting the monarchs by the power of mounting debt. But this took some time. Meanwhile, their loans made them business partners, but as debt piled up, the servants became the real masters.

Power continually shifted over the years, as nations (including the church) plotted daily to increase their own power at the expense of the others. In 1917 Russia was overthrown by Rothschilds and other banking interests. In 1929 the pope made an agreement with Mussolini, in which the papacy received about $85 million from the state of Italy as recompense for their loss of the Papal States in the 1860’s. This money was used to set up the Vatican Bank.

The question is whether or not the Vatican Bank obtained genuine independence from Rothschild guardianship, once it seemed to be able to manage its own finances. The Vatican Bank became a major money laundering bank, not only for fleeing war criminals after World War II, but throughout the decades afterward. I do not know if these activities were done with the approval of the Rothschild banks or not, but the recent attempts by Pope Francis to clean up the banks has run into huge internal roadblocks within the Vatican itself.

Regardless of the changing situation over the past two centuries, if the Rothschild banks were appointed guardians over the financial affairs of the Vatican, it means the earth beast retained control over the sea beast in the background. Yet it is important to recognize that the Rothschilds in 1815 were appointed by the big three powers after the fall of Napoleon: Russia, Germany, and Austria. The Rothschilds did not dictate the terms, but positioned themselves to be entrusted with this guardianship.

Much of this arrangement has surely changed by now, as no such agreement can survive the ever-changing power shifts in history. But while such changes may be interesting, they are not fully relevant to the details established in Revelation 13. John saw only a brief outline and gave us only a short description of this final beast. The most important factor, however, is that the second beast was allied with the first beast while itself remaining secretive, allowing the first beast to remain to be openly worshiped as in previous centuries.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #185021
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Yes, I realize you have placed Stephen Jones as one of your main sources of truth. But how do you know he's not an agent of the papal plan.

The papacy is far larger than just the "white pope" who puts on the "pious" front. There is also a "black" pope -- and this has nothing to do with skin color.
They try to make it seem the "white pope" and "black pope" forces are in opposition to each other -- when in actuality they are working for the same goal just using opposites to shape the desired outcome.
And now we actually have a member of the "black pope's" army as the present "white pope"!!!

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“It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.”


Thankyou, that says it all doesn't it?
The only problem is that someone put in the word "competitors" when it should read "co-workers".

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #185023
08/28/17 01:38 AM
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Mystery Babylon is the Papal power.

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Such an arrangement comes out clearly in later chapters, where “the great harlot” carries the name “Mystery Babylon.” The term mystery comes from musterion, which means secret or hidden..


That does NOT vindicate the papacy at all -- it implicates it as Mystery Babylon.

The name Babylon is derived from BAB-ILU - the portal of the gods. It is religion seeking access to God by counterfeit means. Just as the tower of babel sought to reach up to God. Babylon seeks access to God in ways other than through Jesus Christ.

Mystery Babylon --
Mystery Babylon had a title for it's supreme priest/ruler -- it was Pontifex Maximus!

That title can be traced back to the ancient Chaldean times.
The Pontifex Maximus at the time served the god Marduk, the spelling of Marduk's name appears to affiliate him with the sun god. Marduk's most famous temple was the ziggurat Etemenanki ("Temple that is the foundation of Heavens and Earth"), a temple tower in Babylon, built after the model of the Biblical "Tower of Babel."

When Medo-Persia conquered Babylon, the Babylonian religion was maintained, but after a revolt of the priesthood, the priests of Babylon were driven out of Medo-Persia's Babylon, and established themselves at Pergamum, taking with them their title "Pontifex Maximus" and vestures.
In Pergamum, high on hill, was built a magnificent, huge Altar of Zeus, with many steps leading up to the altar. The Greeks associated Marduk with Zeus and the Romans with Jupiter. Many believe this to be "the seat of satan".


The Pontifex Maximums reign there as priest-kings of Babylonian paganism. Interesting isn't it that Revelation 2:13 in the letter to the church in Pergamum states; "I know thy works and where you dwell, even where Satan's seat is."

So the pagan mystery religion with the name Pontifex Maximus moved from Babylon to Pergamum.

In 133 B.C., Attalus III, the last Babylonian (pontifex maximus) to rule in Pergamum, willed his dominions to the Roman Caesar, and the kingdom of Pergamum merged with the Roman Empire along with mystery babylon's throne and the title “Pontifex Maximus.”
Pergamum later became a center of emperor worship!

In 63 B.C., Julius Caesar, who had been elected Pontifex Maximus, became emperor of Rome and vested the office of Roman emperor with the priestly powers and functions of the Babylonian Pontiff. Henceforth, the title Pontifex Maximus was used by the Roman Caesars as illustrated on a Roman coin depicting the image of Augustus Caesar (27 B.C.-14 A.D.) with his title “Pont. Max.,” which is an abbreviation of Pontifex Maximus.

The early Christians (including Peter in 1 Peter 5:13) called Rome "Babylon" as a "code name". (In Peter's day literal Babylon did not exist anymore)

In Constantine we have the curious case of the Pontifex Maximus of the official and pagan religion that was now seated in Rome —as the high priest of the Invincible Sun— professing to be a Chris­tian at the same time!

Seven, so called Christian, Roman Emperors carried that title.

During the reign of these seven Emperors, more and more the position of the bishop of Rome became enhanced, as dictator of Christen­dom, aided and supported by the imperial Pontifex Maximus of Roman paganism, claiming Christianity. This strange collaboration continued until the reign of Emperor Gratian (375-383 A. D.).

In 376 A.D., the Roman Emperor Gratian refused to accept the title Pontifex Maximus.

But look who now takes the title! Gratian offers the title to the Bishop (pope) of Rome!

In 378 A.D., Bishop Damasus was elected Pontifex Maximus, becoming the official pagan Babylonian priest seated on Satan’s throne in Rome. And that title has been claimed by the popes from that day forward.

As such, the popes converted the pagan Babylonian temples of Rome into Christian churches and introduced all kinds of pagan practices, cloaked with Christian covers, flooding the papal church with the mysteries of Babylon. All the pomp and ceremony that existed in ancient Babylon was now practiced in Roman papal Christianity.

A statement about the Pope’s position is found in William Barry's The Papal Monarchy:

Quote:
The Pax Romana (Roman peace) has ceased; it is a universal confusion. But wherever a Bishop holds his court, religion protects all that is left of the ancient order. A new Rome ascends slowly above the horizon...

The Emperor is no more...but the Pontifex Maximus abides; he is now the Vicar of Christ, offering the old civilisation to the tribes of the North. He converts them to his creed, and they serve him as Father and Judge supreme (emphases added).


Summary

Mystery Babylon -- Pontifex Maximus
The supreme priest of paganism, building the portal or gate to the gods. Originates in Babylon.

Babylonian priests flee to Pergamum several years after Mede Persia conquered Babylon. Maintain the pagan Pontifex Maximus religion.


Pergamum merged with the Roman Empire.
Julius Caesar takes the role as Pontifex Maximus -- supreme pontiff - bridge builder to the gods. Supreme ruler of the pagan religion. Title seen on many Roman coins.

Emperor Gratian refuses title and bestows it on Pope Damascus.
Popes from then till now, are the Pontifex Maximus -- Supreme rulers of the pagan Mystery Babylonian religion.

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: dedication] #185065
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Yes, I realize you have placed Stephen Jones as one of your main sources of truth. But how do you know he's not an agent of the papal plan.


I quote more Tyler Durben from Zerohedge than Stephen as a main financial and geopolitical alternative news provider. Why don't you complain about Tyler and suspect him of being an agent of the papal plan?

I can understand that you do not agree with Stephen prophetic discernment as some do go against our SDA Church discernment & interpretation. And it is very clear to all that your dedication is to the SDA Church. That's fine dedication. However I read Tyler's Zerohedge more than Stephen's blog; because Tyler brings way more news on the table (like over 50 articles daily) versus Stephen who brings on average less than 2. But Tyler doesn't make any spiritual connection of the news like Stephen does.

Then, I try to limit my posting on this discussion to just a couple posts a week. So I try to only select the highlights articles that relates to this topic.

Since I don't have much time to post these days....and when Stephen comments on some of the current news and if I agree with his news comment or spiritual discernment.... then it is far easier for me to quote him then to write a comment about the article myself.

The thing is you are not the only person that reads this discussion dedication. Others are also interested and some do value Stephen's news comments.

Then I find your comment above very disrespectful and potentially a malicious witness against our believing brother Stephen. Let's assume Stephen is not a believer.... it is still very wrong to make such suggestive accusation of this sort publically without having any legit proof. So be careful and don't be caught starting some FAKENEWS and being found a malicious witness in the sight of God.

If you have a legit grounds for complaint against our brother Stephen Jones ... Jesus told us what 3 steps to take. Then you can always submit your complaints to the Lord directly in his heavenly court. Let the Lord judge the matter. However, be careful....the Lord always judges the person that brings an accusation on a brother first.... and if He finds you to be a malecious witness.... then He will judge you first.

Deuteronomy 5:20

20 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Deuteronomy 19:16-19 says,

16 If a malicious witness rises up against a man to accuse him of wrongdoing, 17 then both the men who have the dispute shall stand before the Lord, before the priests and the judges who will be in office in those days. 18 And the judges shall investigate thoroughly; and if the witness is a false witness and has accused his brother falsely, 19 then you shall do to him just as he had intended to do to his brother. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you.

Originally Posted By: dedication
The papacy is far larger than just the "white pope" who puts on the "pious" front. There is also a "black" pope -- and this has nothing to do with skin color.
They try to make it seem the "white pope" and "black pope" forces are in opposition to each other -- when in actuality they are working for the same goal just using opposites to shape the desired outcome.
And now we actually have a member of the "black pope's" army as the present "white pope"!!!

Originally Posted By: Stephen
“It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.”


Thankyou, that says it all doesn't it?
The only problem is that someone put in the word "competitors" when it should read "co-workers".

You mis understood what Stephen said see what I bolded and underlined. Despite what the white or the black Pope(Jesuit order stems from a Jewish history that infiltrated the RCC) appears to anyone today or says publically... reread the second part of Rev 13 where it says that the 2nd beast makes everyone worship the first. The reason is as we can see today.....it is so that the 2nd beast remains SECRET. It is not for nothing that the Lord named the 2nd beast -- Mystery[secret] Babylon.


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