In one of your posts to me you claimed that "managed capitalism" is done successfully all over the world. I want you to point out the examples of what you consider to be economies that are successfully managed by government.

Seems like this forum is getting more political and economical rather than religious and spiritual.

These things are tied together. What is happening in the political and economic worlds have everything to do with what is happening in the spiritual world. They are tied together inextricably. As the world has moved farther and farther away from God the problems in the political and economic worlds have greatly increased. Why? Because of abandoning God's political and economic principles right along with His spiritual principles.

Whatever, Gary.

All I'm saying is that this forum appears to be turning into a platform for certain people's personal political agendas.

Perhaps I frequent the wrong forum...

As Seventh-day Adventists, we do believe civil liberties go side by side with religious liberties. So, we do spend some time on political and economic issues as they pertain to civil liberties.

But, this forum is far more on the spiritual and Biblical side and that is the way I believe it should be anyway.

I'm curious why you titled this, "ping kland". I know nothing of what you mean by "managed capitalism" nor of any reference I would have made to such. Any time economies are "managed" by the government, problems happen. Sounds more like socialism than anything to do with capitalism.

I think it was someone other than Kland who brought up "managed capitalism".
See this post where it was discussed previously.
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Sorry about that, kland. My memory failed me. I thought it was you had had said to me that "managed capitalism" was a success throughout the world.

Not really. What I have been showing by all of this is that the world has left God's ideas and God's way of doing things far behind both economically and politically, as well as spiritually. He demonstrated His preferred way of setting things up in ancient Israel, and by demonstrating what is happening in our world today we see the results of what happens when we leave His word and His principles, in all that we do, behind. God's word is to rule in all parts of our lives. Not only a small part of it that most people consider to be their "spiritual" lives. We are to live all of our lives by God's word, not just part of our lives, and every time we leave God's principles behind we pay for it one way or another. When the world leaves God's economic principles behind it suffers the whirlwind economically. When it leaves God's political principles behind it reaps the political whirlwinds. When it leaves God's spiritual principles behind it suffers spiritual whirlwinds.

Every time the world leaves God behind in anything it leads to more suffering, pain, and sorrow.

I was wondering if Gary was talking about me. Hahahaha