A while back, I mentioned I would probably close this thread if it descended into just another "does God kill" thread.

Obviously that is what has happened.
The time has come to "put an end" to this discussion for history has shown it only gets "ugly" as it progresses.

Both Gary and Green gave posts which expressed the problems with the reasoning and exposed the "strawmen" arguments of the "God must not actively execute justice" side.

It is very difficult to have a meaningful conversation when what we say seems never to be understood, and twisted into meaning something very different. Yet that seems to be "norm" when this subject is allowed to continue indefinitely.

But the main reason to close this thread, is the constant writing that God is evil IF he actively puts an end to those who have hardened themselves against Him. God's justice is not evil -- to say so is treading on dangerous ground,
Yes, God will withdraw one of these days and let satan do his thing for a time. Very quickly, God's people will be on the point of being exterminated, but then God will step in and deliver His people!

God is a deliverer! The bible is full of God's deliverance -- if He were not, sinful human beings would long ago have wiped out all traces of belief and goodness of God on this earth.

Praise God for deliverance,
like the Israelites after they crossed the Red Sea sang a song of deliverance - praising God.

One comment on the previous thread that can't be live hanging.

Hm - Isaiah 53:4-5 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. (5) But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Yes, we THOUGHT that God He was stricken, smitten of God and afflicts. And for the rest of Isaiah, try some other translations.



Christ came to save fallen man, and Satan with fiercest wrath met him on the field of conflict; for the enemy knew that when divine strength was added to human weakness, man was armed with power and intelligence, and could break away from the captivity in which he had bound him. Satan sought to intercept every ray of light from the throne of God. He sought to cast his shadow across the earth, that men might lose the true views of God's character, and that the knowledge of God might become extinct in the earth. He had caused truth of vital importance to be so mingled with error that it had lost its significance. The law of Jehovah was burdened with needless exactions and traditions, and God was represented as severe, exacting, revengeful, and arbitrary. He was pictured as one who could take pleasure in the sufferings of his creatures. The very attributes that belonged to the character of Satan, the evil one represented as belonging to the character of God. Jesus came to teach men of the Father, to correctly represent him before the fallen children of earth. Angels could not fully portray the character of God, but Christ, who was a living impersonation of God, could not fail to accomplish the work. The only way in which he could set and keep men right was to make himself visible and familiar to their eyes. That men might have salvation he came directly to man, and became a partaker of his nature. {ST, January 20, 1890 par. 6}

The Father was revealed in Christ as altogether a different being from that which Satan had represented him to be.

Here is the truth - Christ never revealed God as one to inflict pain and suffering. Yet so many reject the picture of God that Jesus revealed. Matthew 9:35-36 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. (36) But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.

To say the things about our GOD that some here have said is very saddening. It there any wonder our church has not achieved its mission. I read a book today that is very profound. Y'all should read it. It is written by Donald Short, mostly in 1958, but was not published until 1990, titled "Then The Sanctuary Will Be Cleansed". It reflects some on the heresies that came into the church, particularly by a few theologians in the 1950s that wanted the Adventist church to be like the other world churches. It reflects on what really happens after 1844 and the cleansing of the Sanctuary and the investigative judgment. hint: it is not a legal process, but a complete cleansing process, which requires hard work.