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#184677 - 07/27/17 01:19 AM Re: Is the Investigative Judgement Biblical? [Re: James Peterson]
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson
...For they make much of their own self-righteousness, declaring "When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in [SDA], then He will come to claim them as His own." (EGW, Christ Object Lessons pg.69)

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That being the case we are in no danger of Christ coming any time soon.
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#184680 - 07/27/17 04:26 AM Re: Is the Investigative Judgement Biblical? [Re: Nadi]
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1 John 3

Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.



4 Whoever commits sin rejects the law for sin is lawlessness.
5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Sure you can mock and think all calls to holy living is "self righteousness".

But
Do you believe that Christ can make you holy?
Not just forgive your sins, but actually change your heart and mind to be more like Him?

What kind of life do you think results when a person "abides in Christ"?


John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith.
5:5 Who is he that overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?






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#184681 - 07/27/17 05:19 AM Re: Is the Investigative Judgement Biblical? [Re: James Peterson]
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson


Jesus Christ was made a High Priest after the order (not of Aaron and his Levitical priesthood and its sanctuary) but of Melchizedek.


True, Christ's priesthood is much greater than Aaron's line of priests. The Levitical priesthood was a "type", it couldn't really remove sin -- it was the gospel in symbols, which was supposed to be entered into by faith in the coming reality of Christ's much better and greater ministry.

The author of Hebrews showed the difference of Christ's priesthood from the priesthood of Aaron; comparing it with Melchizedek:
--Christ came from the kingly line of Judah -- He is both priest and King like Melchizedek.
--Christ does not first have to offer sacrifice for His sins
--Christ's priesthood will not be cut short, He lives forever
--Christ can save to the uttermost those Who come to Him, His priesthood is the reality,
while the earthly priests were a type pointing forward to the reality. The earthly priests "serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things" 8:5.

There is much in the book of Hebrews that compares the earthly sanctuary, which was a "shadow" to teach us about the reality of Christ's work in the heavenly sanctuary.


Christ is
8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Originally Posted By: James P
All Christians are altogether the temple of the Living God. Paul says so: "Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in your midst?" (1 Cor. 3:16)


Now it's true that believers are also called the "temple" of God.

The word "temple" is "naos" in the Greek New Testament.
That word is usually used for a building used for religious purposes.
It is used most often to describe the temple in Jerusalem.
It is used to describe heathen temples.
Christ uses the word to describe His body.
Paul used the word to describe the believers, as well as our bodies for they are the abiding place of the Holy spirit.


But does that mean there is no "temple" in heaven?

Scripture tells us there is a "temple" IN heaven.

Rev. 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:

Rev. 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud,

Rev. 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven,


Rev, 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Rev. 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power;

Rev,16:7 And there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.













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#184684 - 07/27/17 05:22 PM Re: Is the Investigative Judgement Biblical? [Re: dedication]
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Scripture tells us there is a "temple" IN heaven.

Rev. 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:

Rev. 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud,

Rev. 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven,


Rev, 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Rev. 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power;

Rev,16:7 And there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.




Very good point as always. Scripture also tells us that:
  • Rev. 5:6 A bloody lamb is sitting on God's Throne and it has seven ghostly eyes;
     
  • Rev. 6:9-10 The dead can speak;
     
  • Rev. 7:2-3 144,000 saints will have God's name tattooed on their forehead;
     
  • Rev. 11:4-5 Two olive trees will suddenly go berserk and begin burning people to crisps;
     
  • Rev. 13:1 Godzilla will arise out of the sea in the last days;
     
  • Rev. 14:6-11 Three angels will preach the gospel from the sky;
     
  • Rev. 19:20 The middle east will turn into a lake of fire;

etc.

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#184685 - 07/27/17 08:01 PM Re: Is the Investigative Judgement Biblical? [Re: James Peterson]
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson

[*]Rev. 13:1 Godzilla will arise out of the sea in the last days;
Rev 13:1 does not mention "Godzilla," and if you were to read that text closer, it says that "the beast" had "seven heads," and "Godzilla," only had one head. besides, "Godzilla" is from a fictional movie and has nothing to do with reality. There is no such thing.
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And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. (Rev 13:1)
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#184686 - 07/27/17 10:14 PM Re: Is the Investigative Judgement Biblical? [Re: James Peterson]
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Scripture tells us there is a "temple" IN heaven.

Rev. 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:

Rev. 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud,

Rev. 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven,


Rev, 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Rev. 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power;

Rev,16:7 And there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.




Very good point as always. Scripture also tells us that:
  • Rev. 5:6 A bloody lamb is sitting on God's Throne and it has seven ghostly eyes;
     
  • Rev. 6:9-10 The dead can speak;
     
  • Rev. 7:2-3 144,000 saints will have God's name tattooed on their forehead;
     
  • Rev. 11:4-5 Two olive trees will suddenly go berserk and begin burning people to crisps;
     
  • Rev. 13:1 Godzilla will arise out of the sea in the last days;
     
  • Rev. 14:6-11 Three angels will preach the gospel from the sky;
     
  • Rev. 19:20 The middle east will turn into a lake of fire;

etc.

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Revelation has many symbols, does that give us permission to spiritualize away the whole book and not take any of it literally?

It doesn't work that way, at least not if you take Bible study seriously.

Actually the sanctuary is a key to unlock the Revelation --
Revelation is a "revelation of Christ" showing His work for mankind from John's day the time when all things are made new.


Quote:
Scripture also tells us that:
•Rev. 5:6 A bloody lamb is in the midst of God's throne


You should recognize the literal meaning of that symbol right away. That Lamb pictured there tells us it is JESUS, the Lamb of God who was slain for our sins.

It is SANCTUARY language
, understood when a person refers back to the lambs brought to the temple, sin transferred upon the head of the lamb, the lamb is slain and the sinner claims forgiveness.

In Revelation the declaration is made of that Lamb:
"Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for You were slain, and you have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

"For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us" 1 Cor. 5:7
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it has seven ghostly eyes


You mean Christ who is referred to as the "Lamb of God" 5:6 having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

The verse itself tells us what it means.
Christ promised His disciples He would send the Holy Spirit after His ascension -- and He does send the Holy spirit to watch over His people in all the earth. Horns in scripture are symbolic of power.

At Pentecost the believers received
1:8 ... power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Quote:
•Rev. 6:9-10 The dead can speak;


6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Again this is sanctuary language
Ex. 29:16 And thou shalt slay the ram, and thou shalt take his blood, and sprinkle [it] round about upon the altar.

The blood of the sacrifice ran under the altar. These martyrs sacrificed their lives for the truth.
Like Abel, the first martyr, who "obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh" Heb. 11:4
So the example, or witness, of these martyrs cries out against the unjust treatment demanding justice to be done.
A God of justice has heard the cry of every martyr for truth that has ever died. The cumulative violence against His faithful thunders in roaring volume in His omnipresent ears.



Quote:
Rev. 7:2-3 144,000 saints will have God's name tattooed on their forehead;

.. having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

It doesn't say "tattooed", but they will have God's name, as well as the name of the New Jerusalem in their foreheads. For they are marked as citizens of the heavenly kingdom, children of God. In their foreheads, simply means in their minds --

Quote:
•Rev. 11:4-5 Two olive trees will suddenly go berserk and begin burning people to crisps;

,
11:3 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses...
11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceeds out of their mouth, and devours their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.


Again we go to the sanctuary to understand what this means -- actually the verse itself tells us where to look and what they are --
Two candlesticks. Candlesticks in the sanctuary symbolize the light of truth. Olive oil by which they were lighted symbolizes the power of the Holy Spirit.
In Revelation the
two witnesses = two lampstands = two olive trees
Symbolism reflects a two-witness theology bestowed by the Holy spirit. (see 2 Peter 1:21-22)
The OT (prophets) and the NT (apostles).

Eph. 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
And yes -- to reject this does end one up in the fire.

Quote:
Rev. 13:1 Godzilla will arise out of the sea in the last days;

Several beasts are referred to in both Daniel and Revelation. These refer to political powers.

Quote:
•Rev. 14:6-11 Three angels will preach the gospel from the sky;

The word translated as "Angels" means messengers.
It can refer both to actual angels or to human messengers.
Interestingly the gospel is going to all the world via satellite in a way unimaginable even a hundred years ago.

Quote:
•Rev. 19:20 The middle east will turn into a lake of fire;

Actually the world will be on fire when Christ comes.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,


That's just dealing with your selection- thus not all refer to the sanctuary.
However, Revelation is full of sanctuary language.

The texts I quoted tell us that there is a temple in heaven. The sanctuary on earth was shadow or a type of things in heaven (see Hebs 8;5; 9:23) -- there is a sanctuary in heaven in which is the ark of God's testament.

It doesn't say this just once --
But repeats it over and over again
Thus I think it is very important.



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#184687 - 07/28/17 09:34 AM Re: Is the Investigative Judgement Biblical? [Re: The Wanderer]
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Originally Posted By: The Wanderer
Originally Posted By: James Peterson

[*]Rev. 13:1 Godzilla will arise out of the sea in the last days;
Rev 13:1 does not mention "Godzilla," and if you were to read that text closer, it says that "the beast" had "seven heads," and "Godzilla," only had one head. besides, "Godzilla" is from a fictional movie and has nothing to do with reality. There is no such thing.
Quote:
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. (Rev 13:1)



Question: Who is Godzilla and what is the significance of his name?

Answer: In one planning stage, Godzilla was described as a cross between a gorilla and a whale, alluding to his size, power and aquatic origin.

Source: Wikipedia

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#184688 - 07/28/17 09:44 AM Re: Is the Investigative Judgement Biblical? [Re: dedication]
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: dedication
Scripture tells us there is a "temple" IN heaven.

Rev. 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:

Rev. 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud,

Rev. 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven,


Rev, 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Rev. 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power;

Rev,16:7 And there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.




Very good point as always. Scripture also tells us that:
  • Rev. 5:6 A bloody lamb is sitting on God's Throne and it has seven ghostly eyes;
     
  • Rev. 6:9-10 The dead can speak;
     
  • Rev. 7:2-3 144,000 saints will have God's name tattooed on their forehead;
     
  • Rev. 11:4-5 Two olive trees will suddenly go berserk and begin burning people to crisps;
     
  • Rev. 13:1 Godzilla will arise out of the sea in the last days;
     
  • Rev. 14:6-11 Three angels will preach the gospel from the sky;
     
  • Rev. 19:20 The middle east will turn into a lake of fire;

etc.

///


Revelation has many symbols, does that give us permission to spiritualize away the whole book and not take any of it literally?

It doesn't work that way, at least not if you take Bible study seriously.

Actually the sanctuary is a key to unlock the Revelation --
Revelation is a "revelation of Christ" showing His work for mankind from John's day the time when all things are made new.


Quote:
Scripture also tells us that:
•Rev. 5:6 A bloody lamb is in the midst of God's throne


You should recognize the literal meaning of that symbol right away. That Lamb pictured there tells us it is JESUS, the Lamb of God who was slain for our sins.

It is SANCTUARY language
, understood when a person refers back to the lambs brought to the temple, sin transferred upon the head of the lamb, the lamb is slain and the sinner claims forgiveness.

In Revelation the declaration is made of that Lamb:
"Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for You were slain, and you have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

"For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us" 1 Cor. 5:7
Quote:

it has seven ghostly eyes


You mean Christ who is referred to as the "Lamb of God" 5:6 having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

The verse itself tells us what it means.
Christ promised His disciples He would send the Holy Spirit after His ascension -- and He does send the Holy spirit to watch over His people in all the earth. Horns in scripture are symbolic of power.

At Pentecost the believers received
1:8 ... power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Quote:
•Rev. 6:9-10 The dead can speak;


6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Again this is sanctuary language
Ex. 29:16 And thou shalt slay the ram, and thou shalt take his blood, and sprinkle [it] round about upon the altar.

The blood of the sacrifice ran under the altar. These martyrs sacrificed their lives for the truth.
Like Abel, the first martyr, who "obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh" Heb. 11:4
So the example, or witness, of these martyrs cries out against the unjust treatment demanding justice to be done.
A God of justice has heard the cry of every martyr for truth that has ever died. The cumulative violence against His faithful thunders in roaring volume in His omnipresent ears.



Quote:
Rev. 7:2-3 144,000 saints will have God's name tattooed on their forehead;

.. having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

It doesn't say "tattooed", but they will have God's name, as well as the name of the New Jerusalem in their foreheads. For they are marked as citizens of the heavenly kingdom, children of God. In their foreheads, simply means in their minds --

Quote:
•Rev. 11:4-5 Two olive trees will suddenly go berserk and begin burning people to crisps;

,
11:3 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses...
11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceeds out of their mouth, and devours their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.


Again we go to the sanctuary to understand what this means -- actually the verse itself tells us where to look and what they are --
Two candlesticks. Candlesticks in the sanctuary symbolize the light of truth. Olive oil by which they were lighted symbolizes the power of the Holy Spirit.
In Revelation the
two witnesses = two lampstands = two olive trees
Symbolism reflects a two-witness theology bestowed by the Holy spirit. (see 2 Peter 1:21-22)
The OT (prophets) and the NT (apostles).

Eph. 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
And yes -- to reject this does end one up in the fire.

Quote:
Rev. 13:1 Godzilla will arise out of the sea in the last days;

Several beasts are referred to in both Daniel and Revelation. These refer to political powers.

Quote:
•Rev. 14:6-11 Three angels will preach the gospel from the sky;

The word translated as "Angels" means messengers.
It can refer both to actual angels or to human messengers.
Interestingly the gospel is going to all the world via satellite in a way unimaginable even a hundred years ago.

Quote:
•Rev. 19:20 The middle east will turn into a lake of fire;

Actually the world will be on fire when Christ comes.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,


That's just dealing with your selection- thus not all refer to the sanctuary.
However, Revelation is full of sanctuary language.

The texts I quoted tell us that there is a temple in heaven. The sanctuary on earth was shadow or a type of things in heaven (see Hebs 8;5; 9:23) -- there is a sanctuary in heaven in which is the ark of God's testament.

It doesn't say this just once --
But repeats it over and over again
Thus I think it is very important.





So, in conclusion, it is evident that the temple in heaven is a metaphor for the home of God, and NOT as SDA erroneously prophesy: a real building in heaven where Jesus, prior to 1844 in the role of "ordinary" priest in first apartment ministry, was lighting candles, offering daily sacrifices of innocent lambs and eating bread and wine every Sabbath day.

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#184695 - 07/29/17 04:44 PM Re: Is the Investigative Judgement Biblical? [Re: James Peterson]
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: dedication
Scripture tells us there is a "temple" IN heaven.

Rev. 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:

Rev. 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud,

Rev. 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven,


Rev, 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

Rev. 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power;

Rev,16:7 And there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.



The texts I quoted tell us that there is a temple in heaven. The sanctuary on earth was shadow or a type of things in heaven (see Hebs 8;5; 9:23) -- there is a sanctuary in heaven in which is the ark of God's testament.

It doesn't say this just once --
But repeats it over and over again
Thus I think it is very important.





So, in conclusion, it is evident that the temple in heaven is a metaphor for the home of God, and NOT as SDA erroneously prophesy: a real building in heaven where Jesus, prior to 1844 in the role of "ordinary" priest in first apartment ministry, was lighting candles, offering daily sacrifices of innocent lambs and eating bread and wine every Sabbath day.

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Rather it is evident the "temple" in heaven, is to be understood in light of the earthly sanctuary, a place where the sin problem is fully addressed in heaven.

It is the earthly temple that is the "metaphor", a shadow, of things in heaven.
As to structural specifics of the heavenly sanctuary, we are not told. It is obviously not a little building like the temple on earth.

Yet it is a place in heaven itself where Jesus entered after His ascension:

Hebrews 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

So scripture fully reveals that it is a place where Jesus entered "with His own blood" -- no, not carrying it like an earthly priest, but with the reality of having shed His blood upon Calvary for the redemption of the human race.
Heb. 9:12
by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].


And yes, He was "lighting candles" as seen in Revelation 1-3.

Rev. 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks stood one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about with a golden girdle.
... the seven candlesticks which you saw are the seven churches.



But no, He was NOT offering sacrifices of innocent lambs, they were part of the earthly metaphor. The reality is Christ is the LAMB OF GOD, sacrificed ONCE and for all. It is HIS blood, shed at Calvary, that saves, the blood of sheep and goats can never take away sin. But through Christ's blood we are cleansed!

10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
10:14 For by one offering he has perfected for ever them that are sanctified.




And no, He is not eating bread and wine every Sabbath, again that is part of the earthly metaphor -- Yet Christ has called us to celebrate communion service.


Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

1 cor. 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come.



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REVELATION AND THE SANCTUARY

The book of Revelation is a revelation of Christ's work in the heavenly sanctuary.
The book of Revelation is unlocked by understanding the symbolic meanings of the earthly sanctuary.

BEGINNING WITH THE COURTYARD SERVICE

These take place, not IN the sanctuary, but in the outer court. Christ's work did not begin in the heavenly sanctuary but in the "courtyard" of this world.
Here He dwelt among the "congregation" -- the sinners He had come to save. Here He offered Himself, the once and for all sacrifice for our salvation.

1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ,...(5)the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Christ's death and resurrection make the saving of mankind possible. The Lamb of God is a name for Christ that is seen throughout the book.


CHRIST'S ASCENSION INTO THE COURTS OF HEAVEN.

Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter.

A magnificent picture of the sanctuary in heaven emerges in Revelation 4 and 5. "and John saw "seven lamps of fire burning before the throne." There are also golden bowls full of incense.

A door in heaven is open. (Rev. 4:1) What door is this?
The word "door" "thura," in Revelation 4:1 appears many times in the Septuagint in direct reference to the door into the sanctuary. {See example in Leviticus 3:1}

But there seems to be a problem, there is no one to open a certain book and precede with the work of salvation.

Yet, a "slain Lamb" is present. Christ, the Lamb of God, He is declared worthy!
Rev. 5:9 Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

The work in the heavenly sanctuary can begin

THE LAMPSTAND

Jesus lights the candlesticks:

He is seen "lighting candles" and tending them in Revelation 1-3.

Rev. 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks stood one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about with a golden girdle.
... the seven candlesticks which you saw are the seven churches.


In the earthly metaphor, the candlesticks were kept trimmed and burning with a regular supply of olive oil.
The oil representing the Holy Spirit.

Now Jesus sends His Holy Spirit in full measure to light up the church on earth. He works to keep light shining throughout the seven ages of earth's history. There are periods when the light grows dim, but it never goes out. The light is shining still.


TABLE OF SHOWBREAD
also called the Table of the Presence
On it were kept 12 loaves of unleavened bread (Lev 24:5-9). These loaves were symbolic of Jesus, who is the bread of life (Jn 6:35), also represent the 12 tribes of Israel.
It is referred to as being the 'shewbread' because its literal meaning is 'bread of the face', i.e. bread set out before the face or presence of God.
Kept on the Table of Showbread, were offerings of wine as well (Num 28:7), so both the bread and the wine of the Lord's supper were represented here.
Lev 24:7 "And you shall put pure frankincense on each row, that it may be on the bread for a memorial, an offering made by fire to the LORD.


Thoughout the seals, the Israel of God are sustained by the bread of life, at first with piercing clarity and purity, but by the third seal, wheat and barley is scare limiting the bread. By the fourth seal there is pronounced famine in the land.

Yet in the end we see all twelve "loaves" being presented to the Lord, as the twelve symbolic tribes receive the seal of God.

Rev. 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes

ALTAR OF INCENSE

This is clearly depicted in Revelation 8.3-5
he stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer [it] with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
8:4 And the smoke of the incense, [which came] with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

The incense represents the merits and intercession of Christ, His perfect righteousness, which alone can make us acceptable before the Father. Imperfect prayers of the "saints" are mixed with Christ's own prayers and righteousness.

This intercessory work takes place in both the Holy and Most Holy Place, as the golden censor is filled with coals from the altar of incense and carried into the Most Holy.

NEXT REVALATION TAKES US INTO THE MOST HOLY PLACE

Rev. 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

We saw a door being shut which no man can open, and a door being opened which no man can shut, during the Philadelphia church age. What does this door symbolize? Where is it located?

The seventh trumpet sounds centuries after Christ's inauguration which was part of the Revelation four open door into God's heavenly sanctuary scene. The door to the sanctuary was opened at Christ's ascension! Is there another door in the temple of God--in the sanctuary of God! Yes, there is another door, which is opened when the seventh trumpet sounds. When the first door was opened in Rev. 4 we saw lamps and incense, but now, near the end of earth's history we hear the cry, "the time has come for you to judge, that you should give reward to the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear your name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth." THE TIME OF JUDGMENT is introduced and THEN the temple is opened and the ARK of the covenant is seen.

The ark of the covenant contains God's holy law. When judgment comes, God's law will be the measuring rod by which people are judged. Are they in Christ, covered by His righteousness, following in His Will, or are they clinging to their sins and walking according to their own will?
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