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#184616 - 07/19/17 10:19 AM Re: Crucifix with Jesus hanging on cross hate crime? [Re: The Wanderer]
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Originally Posted By: The Wanderer
Meanwhile, the real hate crimes are being ignored

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/8303...report-un-china
Hate crimes. Stealing copper. Execution. Seems to be an excellent deterrent. Definitely no repeat crimes.

Is this an example of using force to stop a an evil, ("crimes against humanity"), from ruining the entire nation?.....
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#184618 - 07/20/17 12:32 AM Re: Crucifix with Jesus hanging on cross hate crime? [Re: dedication]
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Originally Posted By: dedication
What is the world coming to?

You know -- the season is coming when I feel rather uncomfortable walking along the streets, where houses and public places are "decorated" with pictures, or air filled decorations of skeletons, headless horsemen, witches, ghosts, dismembered parts of people or animals, pumpkins with hideous smiles. etc etc.

Yes, I and other Christians feel very uncomfortable when our communities fill up with these things. But no one worries about that -- why it's only bigoted people who would find that offensive -- right???

Yet, put up pictures of Jesus, or a nativity scene and suddenly it is a "crime" against humanity?


Understood.

Yet, I have for a long time now considered the crucifix a hate crime against Jesus.
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#184634 - 07/23/17 03:01 AM Re: Crucifix with Jesus hanging on cross hate crime? [Re: Gary K]
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Originally Posted By: dedication

Even if the majority voted these laws -- the rule of the majority can be quite tyrannical....

But the USA didn't end up with a democracy, but rather a republic. In a republic the minority are also given rights.


yes, the founding fathers created a republic because they knew every democracy ever tried had turned into the oppression of the minority by the majority, totalitarianism, and had collapsed. This is one reason why you see the press in the US always refer to the US as a democracy rather than a republic. They want to see only one point of view exist. They want to see a totalitarian government.


True.

Interestingly there was another strong republic that fell.
Rome.
A.T.Jones writes concerning the "Two Republics"

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"All the permanent conquests of Rome were made by the arms of the republic, which, though "sometimes vanquished in battle," were "always victorious in war." But as Roman power increased, Roman virtue declined; and of all forms of government, the stability of the republican depends most upon the integrity of the individual....

In the train of luxury came vice; self-restraint was broken down; the power of self-government was lost; and the Roman republic failed, as every other republic will fail, when that fails by virtue of which alone a republic is possible. The Romans ceased to govern themselves, and they had to be governed. They lost the faculty of self-government, and with that vanished the republic, and its place was supplied by an imperial tyranny supported by a military despotism. {1891 ATJ, TTR 18.2}
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#184635 - 07/23/17 03:22 AM Re: Crucifix with Jesus hanging on cross hate crime? [Re: Alchemy]
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Originally Posted By: dedication

Yes, I and other Christians feel very uncomfortable when our communities fill up with these [Halloween decorations]. But no one worries about that -- why it's only bigoted people who would find that offensive -- right???

Yet, put up pictures of Jesus, or a nativity scene and suddenly it is a "crime" against humanity?


Understood.

Yet, I have for a long time now considered the crucifix a hate crime against Jesus.


There was an awful satanic hated that moved the people to crucify their Creator.
Also our sins are a crime against Jesus, as well, yet He bore those sins on the cross, so we might be forgiven, pardoned.

The cross shows the extremes of evil hate against Christ,
but it also shows the wondrous, great, love of God.

Interestingly it's usually the Papal religionists who carry a crucifix.
Protestants are more likely to picture the empty cross emphasizing the risen Saviour.
The first seems to emphasize defeat, (Satan would have loved to keep Christ on the cross)
while the second emphasizes ultimate victory over sin and satan.
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#184673 - 07/26/17 05:48 PM Re: Crucifix with Jesus hanging on cross hate crime? [Re: Gary K]
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Do not all crimes involve a degree of hate?
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#184683 - 07/27/17 04:54 PM Re: Crucifix with Jesus hanging on cross hate crime? [Re: kland]
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Do not all crimes involve a degree of hate?

Crimes are often motivated by hate, but not all. Some are motived by pure self interest with almost a total lacking of regard (either positive or negative) toward others.

There are numerous studies that are really quite shocking, basically claiming there are people totally concentrated on "self" and self interest, while they regard everything, whether object, animal, or person, is as only a thing which may or may not affect them.

Some attribute this to immersion of the brain in technology to the point of cutting out relational experience.
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“Their brains have become “wired” to use their tech gadgets effectively in order to multi-task — staying connected with friends, texting and searching online endlessly, often exposing their brains to shocking and sensational images and videos. Many people are desensitizing their neural circuits to the horrors they see, while not getting much, if any, off-line training in empathic skills.”

This disconnection from emotion can be a deadly mechanism. When we lose sight of compassion and empathy, we are losing touch with what it means to be human, and essentially reality.



Other factors are involved as well, of course.

Also "hate" is not always evil.
We are to hate or abhor sin, while still loving and caring for those trapped in sin.
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#184719 - 07/31/17 11:44 AM Re: Crucifix with Jesus hanging on cross hate crime? [Re: Gary K]
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Isn't selfishness a form of hate? I hate others having that which I want for myself or having more than me. So I'm going to take it from them.
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#184731 - 08/01/17 01:53 AM Re: Crucifix with Jesus hanging on cross hate crime? [Re: Gary K]
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The essence of sin, is a hate for God, and a desire to kill God.

Jesus tried to get His people to see the foundation of His kingdom when He said, "If any man will come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily, and follow me" (Luke_9:23). The religion of the Enemy has extracted the cross as a principle and put in its place a mere emblem, a sign, a talisman that feeds the ego of man and promotes works for salvation. Increasingly the cross as an emblem obstructs the true gospel and blocks the very experience it is supposed to represent. The struggle to which the cross points is the very one it is invoked to shield against. The result, let Jesus bear the cross alone!
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