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#185168 - 09/22/17 03:55 AM Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes [Re: Green Cochoa]
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It continues --
Another earthquake in Mexico. That's two major quakes in Mexico this month.

Another hurricane "Maria" decimates more Caribbean Islands.
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#185171 - 09/22/17 01:26 PM Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes [Re: dedication]
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Originally Posted By: dedication
It's about God lifting the "hedge" of protection, and letting the storms through as people turn their backs on Him.

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You are talking about "intensity" levels of the storms.
I'm talking about the number of disasters and the area and populations affected.

Title of thread: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes

Hmmmm. Would you say you are off topic?
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#185178 - 09/23/17 10:44 PM Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes [Re: Green Cochoa]
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Many of the posts were on the present hurricanes, but yes it is broadening the topic.

Doesn't it mean anything when four powerful hurricanes cause massive destruction in the Atlantic in one season. With several smaller ones doing smaller damage.
Massive flooding resulting.
Combine that with two high level earthquakes roughly the same time.


And all you say -- "are you off topic"

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers,...
3:4 saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as from the beginning


Isn't that what you've been saying through all the troubles hitting the world these last few months?

Isn't that a rather uncaring, everything is as usual attitude?
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#185180 - 09/26/17 10:36 AM Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes [Re: Green Cochoa]
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Interesting. Not off topic, but "broadening the topic". smile Hope you remember that in the future....


Dedication, I'm talking about one topic and you're talking about another. To say I don't care, then to make the jump and compare me to scoffers, is not being honest.

Tell us about the hurricane season of 2005 and compare it to this one so far.
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#185182 - 09/26/17 07:22 PM Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes [Re: Green Cochoa]
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Originally Posted By: dedication
broadening the topic"
Yes, I hope she does remember that in the future... As another here also once said:
Originally Posted By: green
I didn't change the subject, I added to the subject.
Early on in this thread I asked about the cause of increased storms, and was told I was off topic. Then this comment:
Originally Posted By: dedication
God's protection is slowly being withdrawn from the earth.
So is God the cause or Satan, or??? How is extreme weather a sign of the times?
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#185183 - 09/27/17 12:15 AM Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes [Re: Green Cochoa]
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What causes the 'extreme weather"?

I would say it dates back to Noah's time. Before the flood storms seem not to have existed. The early earth after creation is nowhere pictured as a place of fiery volcanoes, howling cyclones, violent earthquakes, or even rain, let alone ice or snow!
Earth possessed a uniform sub-tropical climate. There is evidence that palm trees grew near the north pole!

No storms --
Then suddenly a storm so terrible it destroyed everything!

Something drastic happened to Earth at the flood -- it changed things completely, and set in motion the wind, hot and cold currents, the seasons, very cold and very hot temperature shifts across the earth.

This brought storms, -- cyclones, hurricanes, tornadoes, are all the result of hot and cold meeting and causing fierce winds.

At the time of the flood what happened?

A rather dramatic tilt of the earth.
The earth's plates were broken and shifted as "fountains of the great deep" (Gen 7:11) came gushing out of the earth. Water fell from a sky that had never rained water before?!!!

At this time immense forests were buried. These have since been changed to coal, oil.

After the flood, Earthquakes were frequent, as archeologists are discovering.

Volcanoes erupted, (possibly shortly after the flood, or even during the flood) at a magnitude earth has never again experienced.

The huge number of volcanoes erupting following the flood probably set in motion the great ice age that covered about a third of earth's land masses for a few hundred years.

We are living on a RUINED planet!

Now you can argue -- who caused the flood?

One thing I do know --
God knew it would happen.
God let it happen, to wipe the intense evil off the earth.
2 Peter 3:5 " "By the word of God . . . the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished"


But back to the question

Since the flood the world has had storms.
The years following the flood the earth was still convulsing from the after effects.

We haven't seen ANYTHING like what was going on back then as far as storms, -- especially volcanoes, and earthquakes.
There was even a wind, according to inspiration that broke off the tops of mountains and threw rocks everywhere --
"A violent wind which was caused to blow for the purpose of drying up the waters, moved them with great force, in some instances even carrying away the tops of the mountains and heaping up trees, rocks, and earth...piling earth and rocks upon these treasures, and in some cases even forming mountains above them. (PP 107)


CONCLUSION--

No, the increase in storms in the last decade or so, are not the worst storms in the history of earth. We haven't seen anything like what happened 4000 or so years ago.

What causes storms --
The changed conditions after the flood -- the cold/hot movements of air and water, the broken earth.

God's hands are holding this earth together.
All our blessings come from Him!
He places a hedge around people, that can only be removed when He allows it.
And yes, satan and his hosts, do much to make the most of earth's destructive forces.

As we see the storms hitting the earth we are to remember
Noah's day.

Study Genesis 6-7 and Patriarchs and Prophets chapters seven and eight.






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#185186 - 09/28/17 11:01 AM Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes [Re: APL]
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Originally Posted By: APL
So is God the cause or Satan, or??? How is extreme weather a sign of the times?
Yes, before the topic was "broadened", if there was extreme weather, that could be debated as to whether it was a sign of the times. However, I'm maintaining that no one has demonstrated that the weather is any more extreme than in the past. It's a global warming artifact fabrication for an agenda.

But that is interesting, that sometimes it's God causes pain and suffering and then other times His protection is being withdrawn. Different people, but their ideas seem to converge and depart depending upon the present discussion.
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#185193 - 09/29/17 09:31 PM Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes [Re: Green Cochoa]
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The huge number of volcanoes erupting following the flood probably set in motion the great ice age that covered about a third of earth's land masses for a few hundred years.

Where in the Bible is there a hint that there was an ice age?
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#185207 - 09/30/17 01:58 AM Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes [Re: Green Cochoa]
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Abundant evidence has been found for continental glaciation. That there was an ice age is pretty much fact.

The ice did not cover the whole earth, it only covered most all of Canada and down into the Northern States. Over in Europe-Asia -- Scandinavian countries and northern Russia were heavily affected, but it did not reach the Mesopotamian valley and Egypt, and that's where the Bible stories took place.
For them they probably just had a little colder winters, and snow on the tops of mountains.

However, Job, does give that "hint" that there was an ice age, which rendered Palestine colder than it is now.

In Job 38:29–30, it says, “From whose womb comes the ice? And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth? The waters harden like stone, and the surface of the deep is frozen.”
It's unlikely this is talking about the glaciers of the ice age itself, it's more likely Job would have observed frost and thick ice on lakes and seas during winter in Palestine, due to temperatures being colder because of the Ice Age.

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#185221 - 10/02/17 11:03 AM Re: Extreme Weather: Typhoons/Hurricanes/Cyclones, and Tornadoes [Re: Green Cochoa]
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I believe Palestine gets down to -4C in current times. That would be enough to speak of frost and ice on water without implying an ice age.
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