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#185646 - 12/02/17 12:55 AM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y]
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In the sixth plague, whole world is gathered into a place called Armageddon. There is no physical location by this name. So its connotation refers to a situation of gathering. The essence of the gathering itself is the sixth plague.

Let's ask, who is doing the gathering? what's their strategy?

The three unclean spirits are doing the gathering (Rev. 16:13).
Deception is their strategy (Rev. 16:14).

The whole world is deceived by them and the majority of many professed Christians. If you don't see the ecumenical movement as the sixth plague, you are probably deceived. Many protestants already have joined this movement and hastened into the spiritual place of Armageddon—self destruction.

Armageddon depicts three issues: 1) economic disaster (financial debt), 2)God's judgment, 3) ecumenical movement to annihilate Sabbath keepers.

In the OT time, no gain of money occurred at the battle of Megiddo, which provides insight to our time that severe economy war wages in the whole world.

There was God's judgment for the favor of His people when Jehoshaphat fought the enemy by the Euphrates river and this is true for the remnant of His people.

The sixth plague poured out upon the Euphrates river and ecumenical movement thrives.

I believe Armageddon battle is not in the future but what is going on in the world around us now.
#185654 - 12/02/17 10:25 AM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y]
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Do you believe Armageddon is fought with material weapons or with words?
"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of [my] hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
#185665 - 12/02/17 09:18 PM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: ProdigalOne]
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If the three unclean spirits are gathering the whole world into the battle of Armageddon, what do you think we have to fight with?

Jesus gave us an answer to your question in Rev. 16:15, "Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."
#185703 - 12/13/17 11:17 PM Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y]
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At the point of the four angels release, the 200 million horsemen immediately obey God's command to slay the wicked: “And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men” (Rev. 9:15).

Some expositors say this adds up to 391 years in prophetic time, meaning the slaying at the close of probation will continue for this long. But is God so merciless that He would take this much time to slaughter one-third of mankind? The answer is no. The close of probation does not take this long. Rev. 22:11 reveals that it happens suddenly and instantly. The hour, day, month, and year indicate a specific point in time, not the total length of time when they are added up.

The 200 million horsemen in the sixth trumpet have been interpreted as the numerous armies of the invading Ottoman Turk empire, whose rule ended after 391 years.

In 1838, preacher Josiah Litch predicted the fall of this empire would occur on Aug. 11, 1840, and that the collapse would fulfill the fifth and sixth trumpets. (To be clear, E.G. White never endorsed Litch’s prediction in her book “The Great Controversy”; she did, however, acknowledge it gave impetus to the Advent movement.)

Litch, forgetting about the change in the Gregorian calendar by two weeks, miscalculated the year. Also, nothing significant happened in 1840 to end the Ottoman rule; the empire officially ended in 1923 and was replaced by the Turkish Republic.

The historical account interpretation of the Seven Trumpets was widely believed prior to 1844 and was developed without the understanding of the heavenly sanctuary and the final mediatorial work of Jesus. So the popular interpretation is faulty without the knowledge of the sanctuary. As it turned out, Litch abandoned his views altogether regarding the Ottoman Turks.

So if we cling to this faulty, outmoded historical account, what is its relevance for us? A vague “numerous armies,” of the heavenly horsemen number 200 million also becomes meaningless.

The holy angels follow the white horse rider, Jesus, the Faithful and True, as they come to destroy the wicked. John heard the exact number of 200 million horsemen, just as he heard the exact number of 144,000. This shows there is significance in this number of holy angels. If one holy angel’s sword is powerful enough to destroy 185,000 Assyrians (see 2 Kings 19:35), imagine the sweeping force of 200 million employed by God. This is the final doomsday for Satan and the wicked.

A criminal does not like to hear that the cops are closing in on him. For Satan, the news that Jesus is coming is the most dreadful. He trembles at the thought of hearing the thundering sound of Christ’s return. The 200 million horsemen are coming with Christ to bind the devil in the bottomless pit. Matt. 12:29 says, “Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.” Thus Jesus comes to “cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up” for 1,000 years (Rev. 20:3).
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