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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #163760
03/29/14 01:22 AM
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The quote speaks about no definite prophetic time, such as in date setting, however, there still remains the prophecies dealing with time frames that are unknown to us as far as date setting goes, such as the second coming, the 1000 years in heaven, etc.

Yes, Daryl, good point.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #163761
03/29/14 01:51 AM
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" The Lord has not tested his people upon any particular time since 1844. We have been, and still are, in the patient waiting time." 1T 409

"We are in the waiting time; let your loins be girded about and
your lights shining, that you may wait for the Lord when He returns from the wedding, that when He comes and knocks you may open unto Him immediately." {4T 123.3}


We are in the "waiting time".
Between 1844 and the end when God announces the coming of Jesus, we have no set times, we are in the "waiting time".

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #163825
03/31/14 02:11 PM
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So it sounds like we are now all in agreement. So regarding the 10 kings and one hour, this future prophecy of time, which is prophetic time, but whether symbolic or literal time, does exist in the future. When that time happens, no definite time has been set. Just as with the 1000 years. And unlike the 2300 day time prophecy of definite time ending in 1844.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #163912
04/02/14 09:50 PM
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Notice what the Scripture says, “I beheld… I heard” (Rev. 8:13). Both the eye and ear are engaged which signifies the careful attention and interest.
The angel is flying thruough mid-heaven to announce the most horrible judgments ever announced… judgments that are far beyond the imagination of men in the seven plagues. These are the three woes.
"Then I looked, and I heard an eagle crying with a loud voice as it flew in midheaven, “Woe, woe, woe to the inhabitants of the earth, at the blasts of the other trumpets that the three angels are about to blow”(Rev 8:13 NRSV). The angel is translated as ‘an eagle’ in the NRSV. The eagle is depicted as the deliverance of God in Deut 32:11-12 "As an eagle stirs up its nest, Hovers over its young, Spreading out its wings, taking them up, Carrying them on its wings, So the Lord alone led him, And there was no foreign god with him”. God assures His mighty deliverance for His people as portrayed in an eagle flying in the midst of heaven in the three woes.
The “woes” are pronounced especially upon those who inhabites on the earth.
The term “inhabiters of the earth” is used, in chapter 3:10, 6:10 and 12:12, referring to the peoples upon whom the tribulation will come.
These terrible woes of God will be directed to reach every square inch of the universe and will have to do with every person who inhabits upon the earth in this last generation.

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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #163915
04/02/14 10:58 PM
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Revelation 8:1 gives us the record of the opening of the seventh seal. When that seal is broken, there is silence in Heaven. Something gigantic, ghastly, unheard of . . . something heretofore unseen . . . happens.
When the seventh seal is opened, the seven trumpets begin to sound. All the terrible judgments of the trumpets are hidden beneath the seventh seal, and the seven vials of the wrath of God are about to fall upon men.
All Heaven stood aghast - completely silent, Speechless, and spellbound - for half an hour as the seventh seal is removed!
The four and twenty elders ceased to play their harps. Heaven’s angels hushed their singing. Cherubim and Seraphim ceased to praise God. The host of Heaven stood in awe. Think of Heaven standing in complete silence for the space of half an hour! Can you imagine the judgments of misery, blood and woe poured out upon mankind, so terrible that the very sight of those judgments renders all Heaven speechless and silent?
Let me illustrate even in a small way:
Someone told me that not long ago a drunk driver ran into the automobile just ahead of him. The driver and two others were killed instantly. In a matter of moments a great crowd gathered. Lying there on the road were the battered, broken, bleeding, twisted bodies of three men . . . three dead bodies.
The crowd moved gazed upon the dead bodies in silence. You could have heard a pin drop. Those who spoke did so in a whisper. In the distance could be heard the sirens as the ambulance came to the scene of the tragedy. As the dead were covered with sheets and lifted into the ambulance, the silence was deadly. People seemed to hold their breath.
In verse 2, seven angels stood before God. These are special angels. Not all angels are said to stand before God. Gabriel stood before God (Luke 1:19). And "…ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened(Rev 7:10).
There were SEVEN of these angels representing the full power of God in judicial judgment.
The seven angels stood before God to pour out God’s wrath upon the wicked. Seven trumpets were given to the angels when the seventh seal is broken.
Trumpets are used to call soldiers to war. They are used in worship, for the convocation, to proclaim festivals such as the year of Jubilee, the Feast of the Tabernacles - and for judgments. Read Exodus 19:6, Amos 3:6, Joshua 6:13-16 and Zephaniah 1:14-16.
The seven angels received the trumpets, took their positions as directed, and prepared to sound. They sounded the warnings of the coming judgment in the seven plagues to the inhabiters of the earth. Who are the priests that is going to blow the Seven Trumpets sound if not the remnant church of God?

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #163917
04/03/14 01:36 AM
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Silence in heaven.

One thing we need to remember is that chapter divisions were not placed by John who wrote down these visions. They were inserted hundreds of years later for convenience.

Revelation 8:1 is the concluding verse of the seven seals.
The sixth seal leads us up to the time just before Christ's second coming.

The verses below (which are part of the sixth seal) describe events that take place when God delivers His people from the death degree just before Christ's coming. (Compare with GC 636-640) Thus the sixth seal has already taken us past the close of probation and most of the plagues.


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6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


The question is asked "Who shall be able to stand".
The answer is given in Rev. 7 -- those who bear the seal of God.

The seventh seal does not jump back in time.
The sixth seal already has the lost running in terror from the voice of God, when the sky is rolled back as a scroll.

So what happens during the "silence" of the seventh seal?
The seventh seal has reached the time of utter destruction of Babylon. The last part of Rev. 18 as well as chapter 19.
The seventh seal is no longer a warning, but the final execution.

And that is the end of the vision of the seven seals -- marking the end of this world's history.



Rev. 8:2 begins a whole new vision. It begins with Christ ministering in the holy Place and gives another view of the history of the great controversy over the Christian era.









Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: dedication] #164000
04/05/14 03:41 AM
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I came across this quote recently from Ellen White where she appears to view the seventh seal as including the introduction to the trumpets. It surprised me:
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"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, Holy and true, doest Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them [They were pronounced pure and holy]; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled" [Revelation 6:9-11].

Here were scenes presented to John that were not in reality but that which would be in a period of time in the future. {20MR 197.5}

And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. Rev 8:1-4.

The psalmist prayed: "Lord, I cry unto Thee: make haste unto me; give ear unto my voice, when I cry unto Thee. Let my prayer be set before Thee as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice. Set a watch, O Lord, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips." {20MR 198.1}

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #164137
04/08/14 05:06 PM
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Could be true. But could also be she was just quoting the future scenes presented to John. Also, "here were scenes" - does that refer to the preceding or the following. What if she had said, "here are scenes" and then quoted Rev 8? Of course, past tense could mean everything John had seen.

Not sure how one would go about determining the questions to ask. But think there needs more than just a little bit as the preceding and following context seems to cover a broad range. Maybe something along the lines of, what is the purpose of this section of her writing?

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #164287
04/13/14 04:39 PM
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The sixth trumpet indicates that the probation time will end suddenly
at a point of time.
“And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for
an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay
the third part of men” (Rev 9:15).

When the sixth trumpet of warning comes to fulfill there comes
the kingdom of God as the seventh trumpet announces,
“…The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms
of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever
and ever” (Rev 11:15).

It intrigues me to perceive that all the sixth of the seven of churches,
seals, trumpets, and plagues talks about the Second Coming of Christ.

The Philadelphia Church condition is the most favorable for the Second
Coming of Christ. The sixth seal portrays the impenitent seeking death
at His Coming,
“And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us
from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the
wrath of the Lamb:” (Rev 6:16)

In the sixth plague, the three identities of dragon, beast, and false prophets
unite for the battle of Armageddon, but it only culminates for their destruction
as the sixth trumpet has warned
“…out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone”,
“…by these plagues..” (Rev 9:17,20)
they will be punished.

The three of the religious systems of the world will deceive massively of the inhabiters of the earth, for this very reason, the eagle flying through the midst of heaven announcing as the one of the woe (Rev 8:13).

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #167544
08/17/14 03:25 PM
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bump

Don't know why this thread came to a sudden halt, which is why I am bumping it now.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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