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#185995 - 02/11/18 02:04 PM Moab, Edom, Amon
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This could be an interesting subject to investigate:

On another thread, Mark Shipowick wrote:
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Edom does figure into end time prophecy more than most Adventists realize. I've been studying it for a while and I think Edom, one of the most unrelenting enemies of God's people in the past, the descendants of Esau the brother of Jacob, stands for those who have a good knowledge of sacred things, Jews and Christians especially, but who at the end persecute God's people. However, the prophecy in Daniel 11:41 says many in Edom, Moab and Amon will escape the final deception of the beast. That text could also have a secondary, literal meaning that the country of Jordan which occupies the territory where Edom, Moab and Amon used to be will not come under the control of the beast.


The questions raised were mainly -- is this "escape" and these "national" identities something positive or negative?

What is it that they "escape"?

Quoting from Daniel:
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11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many [countries] shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, [even] Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
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#185997 - 02/11/18 03:26 PM Re: Moab, Edom, Amon [Re: dedication]
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Daryl commented that
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Tim Roosenberg in his presentations speaks favourably of Edom based on the following text in Daniel 11


So what does Tim Roosenberg say?

Originally Posted By: Roosenberg
These verses suggest a three way breakup of Islam.
1. Those who "escape" from the papal alliance are represented by modern Jordan, a moderate Islamic state....escape the mark of the beast.
2. Those who do not escape-- Egypt and many others. They are the radical center of Islam that will be defeated.
3. Those that shall follow at his heels. (page 210 "Islam and Christianity"


It is a very hopeful picture for the people living in that area, if this is the correct interpretation.

But do any of these passages have any light on the subject?
We can look at a passage in Isaiah:

Isaiah 11
"11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
11:14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
11:15 And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea....



Then there's the passage in Nehemiah
13:1 On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever;
13:2 Because they met not the children of Israel with bread and with water, but hired Balaam against them, that he should curse them:


How do these verses fit together?

We know the "root of Jesse" is the Messiah -- Jesus Christ.
He is our standard of hope and salvation.
Offering a "rest" that is most glorious.

Gentiles seek the message.

Yet, the passage shows God's people scattered.
Is the "gathering" literal to one place, or is it a spiritual gathering to Jesus, the "root of Jesse"?

I believe it is a spiritual gathering to Christ, not a literal gathering to one place BECAUSE, God's remnant are not seen gathered in one place at the end of the chapter.

Also, every time EGW quotes this passage from Isaiah 11, she does so in the context of --
"These words outline our work...The glad tidings of salvation are to be carried to those who have not heard them.... Among the people of God there is to be no colonizing... Everywhere the truth for this time is to be proclaimed. {RH, June 23, 1904}

Isaiah 11 also contains the word "but"
Why is there a "but" in the middle of a passage that seems to be speaking of a great successful ingathering of saints?

Who are these who "fly on the shoulders of the Philistines" of the west --

The Philistines are enemies of God's people, have the "Gentiles" who earlier took up the ensign of Christ, mounted upon the power of the adversary?

Could it be another "woman riding the beast" picture?

They are aggressive == doing a lot of warlike "spoiling" east and west.
Interestingly they do not "spoil" Edom, Moab or Ammon, but they still make them obey.
Who is making them obey -- who are they obeying?

What is meant when Nehemiah says:
the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever;
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