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Chinese Medicine: Is It Alright for Christians? #31074
12/12/00 07:44 PM
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Chinese Medicine or Qigong

In the West Chinese medicine has become a much practiced and even respected alternative therapy for many medical problems and ailments. Is Chinese medicine something that Bible believing Christians should use? To answer that question it will be necessary to look at the underlying beliefs and theories of Chinese medicine and how it is practiced, then compare these with the inspired writings.

The most commonly practiced and best known of the Chinese medical arts are acupuncture and acupressure. Also being used are Moxibustion, massage, herbal medicine and Tai Chi. More on these later.

The basis of all Chinese medicine is the belief in chi (it can be written qi or ch'i) and is pronounces chee. It is the basic concept not only of the medical arts, but also of the martial arts of Asia. In japan it is referred to as ki and in India it is called prana, words which generally translate "breath." Very simply it is the "life force" or electricity of living things. Gong means the manipulation and gathering or build up of Qi inside one's body, thus qigong is the essence of Chinese medicine. "Qi gong or ‘energy work' uses simple movement exercises, breath and sensory awareness, and relaxation techniques to build qi." There are two kinds of chi: internal and external. There is internal qigong that involves the manipulation of qi within one's own body with exercise. External qigong is projection of one's internal qi towards another body. "Though difficult to define, measure, or explain, ch'i lies at the root of martial and meditative arts practices."

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Qi must be understood in terms of Taoism. Chinese medicine is based on the understanding that we are at one with Tao. Tao according to Otto Franke, is ‘the key to the mysterious intermingling of Heaven and Earth. It means the Way and was a method of maintaining harmony between this world and the beyond, that is, by shaping earthly conduct to correspond completely with the demands of the other world."
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However one sees ch'i, it is almost always perceived as a subtle force, produced by mental discipline and manifest in so-called internal arts. Consequently, many martial artists believe in a distinction between internal and external (or soft/hard) styles. By simple definition, if an art is being performed by a living entity, it must contain an internal component; likewise for external. If a ch'i-based art is to be seen as different from an external art, it is because the emphasis is on subtle techniques that use pressure points, deceptive approach, and a disciplined gentleness in delivery. Practitioners of "internal" styles do not "retire" as they pass their athletic prime; they are better at age 80 than at age 30.
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Eisenberg [an American who studied Chinese medicine in China] learned from his Chinese teachers that there are three origins of Qi for the individual. Original Qi is that type of Qi transmitted from your parents to you. This type of Qi is unique. It is yours from the moment of conception. However, it is finite and over time it is used up little by little. The second type of Qi is nutritional Qi. This is Qi that is gotten from foods you eat. It is constantly being used by the person and must be replenished. The third type of Qi is extracted from the air you breath. It too, is used up and must be replenished.

The center of the chi is in the lower abdomen.
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Imagine that you are a belly dancer doing hip gyrations--these movements, by the way, are part of a sacred healing dance tradition from the Middle East, originally practiced by women preparing for childbirth. Now imagine the movements getting smaller and smaller until your body is hardly moving at all, yet you still sense motion within the belly. The feeling of subtle rotating energy is actually very pleasant. The "energy ball" massages the internal organs, relaxes the diaphragm (causing a deepening and slowing down of the breath), and awakens an awareness of the body's untapped potentials. In conventional qigong and Taijiquan practice, this sensation is called dan tian nei zhuan, inner rotation of the dan tian (elixir field).

Yet another follower of Eastern healing techniques explains prana as:
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In more esoteric terms, there are many names for the energy permeating the human body. It is called Chi or Ki or Prana and many other names. It is the animating force that gives and sustains life. Prana is a Sanskrit word derived from pra, meaning forth, and an, meaning to breath or move or live. Thus the the literal meaning of Prana is life-breath or life-energy or breath forth. There can be no life without this energy. The source of prana is the Sun, but we can also get it indirectly from air, plants and earth.

Yoga is probably the oldest codified form of directing the chi. You can read more about yoga on this forum at http://www.maritime-sda-online.org/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=disp layprivate&number=8&topic=000018

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Re: Chinese Medicine: Is It Alright for Christians? #31075
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While there are positive things about Chinese medicine, it's very basis is contrary to Christianity. This form of medicine, which is a form of worship, looks inward to self. It believes that the "life Force" comes from the sun, plants, and the air. It's says the power is in you. Jesus said that of Himself He could do nothing, that He depended on His Father (John 5:30). He told the disciples on the night before His crucifixtion, "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing" (John 15:5).

"For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's" (1 Corinthians 6:20). Eastern mysticism relies on the erroneous concept of evolution. It looks to self for the answers. It does not accept a Creator God who formed man of the dust of the groung and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. It sees man as being born with that breath (chi) and more must be acquired in life. An elaborate series of exercises, rituals, codes of living, even the martial arts on based on the chi, or prana, and on using the chi for self-healing, healing others, protecting self and others, and achieving nirvana or oneness with the universe which is seen as being energy. "Chi Gung [qigong] increases the vital energy in the body and restores the flow of energy in pathways, called meridians, to all the organs and tissues in the body so that they can function better."

In China, there are several schools of qigong, teaching various aspects of achieving longevity, health, and peace. Master Fu is the thirteenth Lineage Holder for the Er Mei Sudden Enlightenment School in China which has been handed down from master to student since 1227 AD. He is a master of chi and teaches others.

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The Er Mei Sudden Enlightenment School is one of the most comprehensive mind-body-spirit systems ever created. With a foundation of Wudang Taoism, Er Mei Qigong rests in the heart of the mahayana/ vadrayana tradition of Buddhism. It was formulated during the Southern Song Dynasty a thousand years ago, in the Lin Ji sect of Er Mei.

Once again we see that Chinese healing and health beliefs are favorably compared with their Indian counterparts. The qigong practiced at Er Mei consists of motion, meditation and a combination of the two.
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Proper form, proper breathing and proper mental state is essential. These are the basics for good health. The Er Mei school emphasizes the cultivation of energy, the transmission of energy; clinical application of external energy diagnosis and treatment. Acupuncture, moxibustion, opening Heaven's door, opening the meridians, collaterals and spiritual channels, and traditional Chinese medical theory are also employed. This includes tongue diagnosis and pulsology.

Special abilities are yet another level. Some of the special abilities which have been cultivated by Master Fu Wei Zhong are extra sensory perception, clairvoyance, telekinesis, telepathy, divination, energy feng shui, Aura diagnosis, hand sensitivity diagnosis, Third Eye Diagnosis, astronomy, mathematics, divine mapping, iron body and the taming of demons.



God was very explicit in His instructions to His people, Israel, both literal and spiritual. "When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God (Deuteronomy 18:9-13).

I'll post more information later.
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Linda

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Re: Chinese Medicine: Is It Alright for Christians? #31076
12/13/00 01:58 AM
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You almost sound like Dr. Manuel Vasquez who wrote a book about New Age. In his book, I summise as you do about the Chinese medicine, however, when I was growing up in Korea many adventists never gave a second thought about the Chinese medicine based on spiritual aspect. We just took their treatment such as accupture and ended it there, not spiritual aspect was ever practiced.

Won


Re: Chinese Medicine: Is It Alright for Christians? #31077
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Man is endowed by God with what Ellen White termed "vital force." It is something that must be used wisely for when it is gone, it cannot be replenished, unlike the teachings of the Eastern mystics.
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God endowed man with so great vital force that he has withstood the accumulation of disease brought upon the race in consequence of perverted habits, and has continued for six thousand years. This fact of itself is enough to evidence to us the strength and electrical energy that God gave to man at his creation. It took more than two thousand years of crime and indulgence of base passions to bring bodily disease upon the race to any great extent. If Adam, at his creation, had not been endowed with twenty times as much vital force as men now have, the race, with their present habits of living in violation of natural law, would have become extinct. At the time of Christ's first advent the race had degenerated so rapidly that an accumulation of disease pressed upon that generation, bringing in a tide of woe and a weight of misery inexpressible. (3T 138)

The human race is not getting better, it's getting weaker.
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The patriarchs from Adam to Noah, with but few exceptions, lived nearly a thousand years. Since the days of Noah, the length of life has been tapering. Those suffering with disease were brought to Christ from every city, town, and village for Him to heal; for they were afflicted with all manner of diseases. And disease has been steadily on the increase through successive generations since that period. Because of the continued violation of the laws of life, mortality has increased to a fearful extent. The years of man have been shortened, so that the present generation pass to the grave, even before the age at which the generations that lived the first few thousand years after the creation came upon the stage of action. (FE 24)

Re: Chinese Medicine: Is It Alright for Christians? #31078
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Now that we have seen the basis for Chinese medicine, and how closely it is tied to other Eastern practices such as yoga, we can take a close look at some of the methodologies that have been imported into Western medicine.

Acupuncture. This technique inserts very thin needles of various metals into the body. They are not aligned with the nerves of vascular systems but with the meridians of the body or the lines along which the energy chi flows. These meridians or channels are not to be found on physical examination or dissection. It's main purpose is to equalize the yin and yang.

Yin and yang are the words given for light and dark, male and female. "In essence, the knowable universe is composed of opposite components, whether physical (hard/soft; dark/light), moral (good/bad), or biological (male/female), which may be classed as either YANG or YIN. When combined, existence is produced, and is manifest as TAO. Neither yin nor yang can exist independently. The symbol of Tao is the "fish symbol" within which are two small dots (yin in the yang section, yang in the yin section), and around which are a pair of arrows, symbolizing dynamic interaction. The arrows have often been removed in contemporary motifs."

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The needles, whether of gold, silver, iron, chrome or other metal, are from the Yin- Yang point of view of the elements, charged with the activity of Yin...that is to say, dilatory, centrifugal, relaxing, calming, by the system [of the ducts]. They restore all cells and organs by giving the stimulus of Yin. Consequently, acupuncture is primarily recommended for all excess of Yang. But through the equilibrium of Yang, which it gives to the organism, it restores the energy of Yin and indirectly gives favorable results in maladies of Yin, in addition to it direct stimulating action on Yin.

The Bible plainly tells us that with God there is no darkness. "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning" (James 1:17). "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all" (1 John 1:5).

"To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me" Acts 26:18). Satan and sin are the source of darkness and evil. The universe existed prior to the entrance of sin. Sin and darkness are completely unnecessary to its existence. We have God's promise that someday soon, the universe will be cleansed of sin, and it will never return. The one dark blot will then be cleansed and purified and all will be light once more. No darkness will exist anywhere. Therefore, acupuncture is based upon and grounded in a totally false premise, that of Eastern mysticism.

Acupressure and (Chinese) massage are much the same thing using finger pressure rather than needles. Moxibustion is the placing of little cones of powered leaves of Artemisia vulgaris usually on the back and igniting them and allowing them to burn until a blister is formed. This is to correct an excess of yin. Chinese herbal medicine is used to replace the postnatal chi.
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I would like to add this note. All the information about Chinese medicine and martial arts that I have been posting was taken from sources that actively promote, practice, encourage, and/or teach these arts and techniques to others.

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Re: Chinese Medicine: Is It Alright for Christians? #31079
12/14/00 05:21 PM
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The maintenance and cultivation of [prenatal] Qi is performed with acupuncture and moxibustion, acupressure and massage and herbal medicines.. Postnatal Qi, acquired from the air we breath and the food we eat is replenished by doing Qigong or Gongfu exercises and eating the correct foods. Naturally, to control the dissipation of the finite prenatal Qi and replenish the postnatal Qi encompasses good conduct or correct living as outlined in the Nei Ching.

The development of the chi requires the student to get in touch with his emotions, their ebb and flow. This is done through, among other things, meditation. "Students may be asked to perform meditations, material manipulations, or partner exercises (e.g., sticky hands), as basic methods to promote this empathy. Beyond that, each style has its own program for ch'i development. Aikido uses throwing techniques, Snake uses pin-point finger-tip strikes, and t'ai ch'i ch'uan uses subtle body positioning. At this stage of ch'i understanding, it would be impossible to state than any particular school or method has cornered the market on TRUTH, or THE single, best method of ch'i cultivation. As in all other endeavors, the practitioner is still more important that a particular approach or style." Many of these techniques involved the martial arts.

In America, the best known of these techniques is Tai Chi Chuan, usually called Tai Chi. It was a martial art developed for soldiers and is about 1200 years old. "Traditionally, Tai Chi Chuan is learned while studying Chi Gung or after having practiced Chi Gung for awhile. Tai Chi Chuan is also a martial art. It's Chi Gung aspect is the source of power in Tai Chi Chuan as a martial art. Tai Chi Chuan can be practiced very athletically as a martial art if one chooses, but it is not necessary for health." Tai Chi Chuan means grand ultimate fist. The Chuan was dropped from the name to disown its martial roots. It has been introduced in the West as a gentle exercise program that aids healing. "Many of the more competent practitioners today can, however, demonstrate the incredible efficiency and, if necessary, deadliness of the art in combat." It has been taught with "an eye towards longevity and the retention of youthful characteristics, such as flexibility."

Tai Chi Chuang is promoted as a method "to heal illness, release stress, reverse the aging process and improve performance. Unlike most sports, you don't have to be in shape to start learning Chi Gung and Tai Chi Chuan. Chi Gung exercises, such as Dragon and Tiger Chi Gung, are taught to patients in Chinese hospitals to heal chronic degenerative diseases such as chronic fatigue and high blood pressure. In fact, these gentle, health promoting exercises can be practiced by bedridden patients, while seated in a chair or soon after open heart surgery." When promoted in the West, the pagan and religious aspects of these arcane arts are often downplayed, little talked about, or glossed over, just as they are with meditation and yoga. But while it may seem that they are divoced from their mystical roots, and are termed exercise, it is a fallacy to believe that they can be actually separated from their foundation of belief in self, which is ultimately giving glory to Satan.


Re: Chinese Medicine: Is It Alright for Christians? #31080
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What is the cause of disease in the human race? Is it an imbalance in yin and yang, good and evil? It is a lack of chi or prana? Not according the Bible. Disease is the result of sin. "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" (Romans 5:12). Without the entrance of death by sin, there would be no disease and sickness, for it precedes death. Even if a person is in what we consider good health, the disease of aging takes its toll on the human body. "Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death" (James 1:15).

Restoration from disease does not come from realigning yin and yang or developing more chi. God only can heal. "Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases" (Psalms 103:3). "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings" (Malachi 4:2).

By disobedience we can bring disease and premature death on ourselves. "If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the Lord that healeth thee" (Exodus 15:26). "My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee (Proverbs 3:1, 2).

Obedience to the laws of health, treating the body as the temply of the Holy Spirit, is the key to good health. We are the last of the human race that will live on the earth. We have less than 1/20 of the vital force that Adam was endowed with, and we can do nothing to receive more. We must wisely use and preserve that which we have. The sins of our parents going back generations have scarred and marked the genetic code and bequeathed to us weakened bodies and minds, yet God has promised that if we are obedient, we shall again eat of the tree of life, and grow up as calves of the stall. He will heal all our diseases.

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Your body, says the apostle, is the temple of the Holy Ghost. God does not require his children to deny themselves to the injury of physical strength. He requires them to obey natural law, in order to preserve physical health. Nature's path is the road he marks out, and it is broad enough for any Christian. With a lavish hand God has provided us with rich and varied bounties for our sustenance and enjoyment. But in order for us to enjoy the natural appetite, which will preserve health and prolong life, he restricts the appetite. He says, Beware! restrain, deny, unnatural appetite. If we create a perverted appetite, we violate the laws of our being, and assume the responsibility of abusing our bodies and of bringing disease upon ourselves. (CTBH 150)
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From Adam's day to ours there has been a succession of falls, each greater than the last, in every species of crime. God did not create a race of beings so devoid of health, beauty, and moral power as now exists in the world. Disease of every kind has been fearfully increasing upon the race. This has not been by God's especial providence, but directly contrary to His will. It has come by man's disregard of the very means which God has ordained to shield him from the terrible evils existing. Obedience to God's law in every respect would save men from intemperance, licentiousness, and disease of every type. No one can violate natural law without suffering the penalty. (Confrintation 74)

It is God's desire that we should be in good health. "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth" (3 John 1:2). "Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee" (Exodus 20:12). "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil. It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones" (Proverbs 3:5-8).

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Linda

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Re: Chinese Medicine: Is It Alright for Christians? #31081
12/20/00 10:57 PM
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If I am correctly reading Linda's post on acupuncture, the bottom line is that acupuncture is not a correct treatment for anybody, Christian or otherwise?

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Re: Chinese Medicine: Is It Alright for Christians? #31082
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Originally posted by Won Bae:
Linda,
You almost sound like Dr. Manuel Vasquez who wrote a book about New Age. In his book, I summise as you do about the Chinese medicine, however, when I was growing up in Korea many adventists never gave a second thought about the Chinese medicine based on spiritual aspect. We just took their treatment such as accupture and ended it there, not spiritual aspect was ever practiced.

I read Vasquesz's book a few years ago. I have also read the book Mystical Medicine several years ago which was also enlightening. (I forget the author at the moment.) However, I did not borrow from their works for what I have posted here. As I stated, I used information from those who are promoting the use of Eastern medicine.

Dr. Won, I am acquainted with a young man who went to Korea last year with the 1000 Missionary Movement and just returned home. While in Korea, it was common practice for the Korean Adventist pastors to take these young people, who came from all over the world, out in the morning for coffee getting many of them started on the road of caffiene addiction.

We are taught, or are supposed to be, that the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and that we are not to put coffee, tea, and other harmful substances into it. I don't know how much of the health message has been taught in Korea. I don't know how many of Ellen White's books have been translated into Korean, especially Ministry of Healing. People who haven't been taught don't know. But in that case, it is well past time to teach them the health message.

God winks at our ignorance, but once we know or have access to knowing, then it ceases to be a sin of ignorance and becomes willful sin. Paul is an example of one who sinned ignorantly.

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For a time Paul did a very cruel work, thinking that he was doing God service; for he says, "I did it ignorantly in unbelief" (1 Tim. 1:13). But his sincerity did not justify his work, or make error truth. {1SM 346.2}

Though the Korean Adventists may be using the Chinese healing methods, that use doesn't make it right. My understanding is that using it is spiritual in itself. It's foundation is spiritualism. They may well be sinning in ignorance, if they have not had access to the health message. I repeat myself, if such is the case, it is time the message was given to them.

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As we near the end of time, falsehood will be so mingled with truth, that only those who have the guidance of the Holy Spirit will be able to distinguish truth from error. We need to make every effort to keep the way of the Lord. We must in no case turn from His guidance to put our trust in man. The Lord's angels are appointed to keep strict watch over those who put their faith in the Lord, and these angels are to be our special help in every time of need. Every day we are to come to the Lord with full assurance of faith, and to look to Him for wisdom. . . . Those who are guided by the Word of the Lord will discern with certainty between falsehood and truth, between sin and righteousness. {AG 201.4}

We must walk carefully and weigh everything by God's Word. And we must make sure our message is given in its entirety.

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Daryl has asked:
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I want to know how or where acupuncture fits into the scheme of things.
Is it an OK form of treatment, or should we avoid it like the plague?

From the research that I have done, it should be avoided. It is a method of realigning the chi, which is not a Christian concept and not compatible with Scripture.

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