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Homeopathy #31166
08/28/01 03:33 AM
08/28/01 03:33 AM
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Homeopathy has become one of the widely practiced forms of alternative medicine. Here is some information on homeopathy gathered from those who are favorable to and or practice it. I have also quoted from the writings of Ellen White (SOP) with only a couple of comments of my own. All emphasis is my own.

{1} Definition and history of homeopathy (from homeopathic websites and practicioners):

quote:
Although it was first described by Hippocrates 2,500 years ago, Homoeopathy as it is practised today evolved 200 years ago. The word comes from the Greek and means similar suffering. This refers to the central philosophy that a substance that can produce symptoms in a healthy person, can cure those symptoms in a sick person. For example a person suffering from hayfever, might be given a remedy prepared from an onion, because a healthy person chopping an onion usually experiences watering eyes and irritation. Similarly, someone suffering from insomnia might be given a homoeopathic dose of coffee.

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Homeopathic remedies are chosen based upon the "Law of Similars." This says that a medicine which produces a set of symptoms in a healthy person will cure the same set of symptoms. Each homeopathic remedy has been carefully tested on large numbers of healthy people and we have discovered what symptoms produced in these people and thus we also know what symptoms it is capable of curing in you. We are not matching single symptoms but the whole pattern of symptoms, the gestalt. Homeopathic remedies are all natural medicines. Some are herbs, some minerals or other natural substances. They are prepared by a special process of step by step dilution and succussion (shaking) which makes them capable of effecting your health in a much deeper way than the remedy could without this process.



What the SOP says:

In their practice, the physicians should seek more and more to lessen the use of drugs instead of increasing it. When Dr. A came to the Health Retreat, she laid aside her knowledge and practice of hygiene, and administered the little homeopathic doses for almost every ailment. This was against the light God had given. Thus our people, who had been taught to avoid drugs in almost every form, were receiving a different education. I was obliged to tell her that this practice of depending upon medicine, whether in large or small doses, was not in accordance with the principles of health reform.The Lord had in His providence given light in regard to the establishment of sanitariums where the sick should be treated upon hygienic principles. The people must be taught to depend on the Lord's remedies, pure air, pure water, simple, healthful foods. 13MR 177

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[This message has been edited by Linda Sutton (edited August 28, 2001).]


Re: Homeopathy #31167
08/28/01 03:40 AM
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{2} How does it work?
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Although there is a great deal of empirical evidence that homoeopathy does work, nobody yet knows how. Those who are skeptical point out that homoeopathic remedies are often so dilute that not even a molecule of the original substance remains and so conclude that any beneficial response is probably due to the placebo effect. This explanation seems unlikely as experiments have shown homoeoapthic medicines to be equally effective in the treatment of animals.

The answer to this mystery is likely to be found by those studying so-called "new Physics" and electro-magnetism. The production of homoeopathic medicines involves two processes; namely dilution and succussion (shaking and bashing!). It is thought likely that these combined processes leave an imprint of the original substance's energy pattern in the dilutant. This energy imprint, given in homoeopathic medicine, somehow stimulates the body's own healing energy to start working.


What the SOP says:


From time to time I have received letters from both ministers and lay-members of the church, inquiring if I think it wrong to consult spiritualist and clairvoyant physicians. So numerous are these agents of Satan becoming, and so general is the practice of seeking council from them, that it seems needful to utter words of warning. . . .

Not a few in this Christian age and Christian nation resort to evil spirits, rather than trust to the power of the living God. The mother, watching by the sick-bed of her child, exclaims, "I can do no more. Is there no physician who has power to restore my child?" She is told of the wonderful cures performed by some clairvoyant or magnetic healer, and she trusts her dear one to his charge, placing it as verily in the hands of Satan as if he were standing by her side. In many instances the future life of the child is controlled by a satanic power which it seems impossible to break. CTBH 111

An agent of the great deceiver will say and do anything to gain his object. It matters little whether he calls himself a spiritualist, an "electric physician," or a "magnetic healer." By specious pretenses he wins the confidence of the unwary. He pretends to read the life history and to understand all the difficulties and afflictions of those who resort to him. {2MCP 700.3}

The apostles of nearly all forms of spiritism claim to have power to heal. They attribute this power to electricity, magnetism, the so-called sympathetic remedies, or to latent forces within the mind of man. And there are not a few, even in this Christian age, who go to these healers instead of trusting in the power of the living God and the skill of well-qualified physicians. {2MCP 701.1}


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Re: Homeopathy #31168
08/28/01 03:44 AM
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{3} Preparation of homeopathic medicine (remedies):
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The medicines used in homeopathic treatment come from vegetable, mineral and animal sources. Some are poisons and others are inert substances in their crude form. When properly prepared, these substances lose any inherent harmful nature and develop a power to treat disease. The preparation involves serial dilutions and shaking of the product between dilutions. After several dilutions, the initial substance is essentially washed out and cannot be detected chemically in the final product. Confused? That's very reasonable as it makes no sense whatsoever in light of present day science. But regardless of what our sciences tell us is impossible, in practice, the higher the dilution the stronger and longer lasting the effect.

After experimenting for years, Hahnemann finally arrived at the method of preparation used today. The effectiveness of this method cannot be accounted for by present day science, and this is the major stumbling block to widespread acceptance of homeopathy. However, once you are willing to set this apparent inconsistency aside, you see dramatic results.

Preparing homeopathic remedies involves serial dilutions and shaking of the product between dilutions. After several dilutions, the initial substance is essentially washed out and cannot be chemically detected in the final product. For instance, one of the lower potencies, 30c, is a serial dilution of 1 to 100 made thirty times, which yields a final product diluted 1060 times from the initial substance (that's 10 with 60 zeros after it!). Of course, this is far beyond Avogadro's number of 6.0 x 1023. Therefore, the chance of finding a single molecule of the initial substance in the final product is zero for all practical purposes. These preparations are referred to as submolecular.

30c is a low potency and homeopaths commonly use dilutions such as 1M (102,000), 10M (1020,000), or 50M (10100,000). While it makes no sense whatsoever in light of present day science, in practice, the higher the dilution, the stronger and longer lasting the effect.



Re: Homeopathy #31169
08/28/01 03:45 AM
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{4} What substances are used?:
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Here are some examples of homeopathic remedies:
Mineral Source:
Arsenicum Album (white oxide of arsenic)
Silica (sand)
Graphites (lead from ‘fine English pencil')
Sulphur (elemental sulphur)
Aurum (gold)
Argentum nitricum (silver nitrate)
Petroleum (petroleum)
Hydrogen (hydrogen gas)
Mercurius vivus (mercury)

Plant Source:
Rhus toxicodendron (poison ivy)
Conium maculatum (poison hemlock)
Chamomilla (daisy)
Thuja occidentalis (arbor vitae)
Carbo vegetabilis (vegetable charcoal)
Phytolacca decandra (poke-root)
Urtica urens (stinging nettle)
Lilium tigrinum (tiger lily)

Animal Source:
Crotalus horridus (venom of rattle snake)
Pyrogenium (rotten meat)
Lac caninum (dog's milk)
Lyssin (saliva of rabid dog)
Tarentula Hispanica (tarantula, tincture of the living spider)
Apis mellifica (honey-bee, tincture of the whole bee)

And then there are other things I don't care to mention (eye of newt, maybe? LS) as an unaware reader might have an inclination to vomit. Of course, all of these things are natural and therefore good for you, right? Right!, but only if well prescribed and given in the appropriate homeopathic form, and not because they are natural.

An extreme example of an unlikely substance becoming a powerful homeopathic medicine is Pyrogenium. This substance is derived from raw meat that is left in the sun until it rots. If a healthy person ate this meat, he or she would develop severe symptoms: diarrhea, vomiting, fevers with foul smelling sweat, restlessness, body aches. In short, he or she would feel, well, rotten.



What the SOP says:

Pure air, sunlight, abstemiousness, rest, exercise, proper diet, the use of water, trust in divine power--these are the true remedies. Every person should have a knowledge of nature's remedial agencies and how to apply them. It is essential both to understand the principles involved in the treatment of the sick and to have a practical training that will enable one rightly to use this knowledge. MH 127

The use of natural remedies requires an amount of care and effort that many are not willing to give. Nature's process of healing and upbuilding is gradual, and to the impatient is seems slow. The surrender of hurtful indulgences requires sacrifice. But in the end it will be found that nature, untrammeled, does her work wisely and well. Those who persevere in obedience to her laws will reap the reward in health of body and health of mind. CG 366


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Re: Homeopathy #31170
08/28/01 03:46 AM
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{5} What about the use of natural remedies?:
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Q. Is homeopathy the same as herbal medicine? Is it a combination of herbs, diets, vitamins and counseling?
A. No, though this can be confusing, as some practitioners do get involved in both homeopathy and nutritional counseling. My personal philosophy is that as you improve in your health, your body will desire healthy food. When my patients request assistance with their diets, I refer them to a nutritionist who is properly trained in that specialty.

What the SOP says:

Every effort made for the physical and moral health of the people should be based on moral principles. The advocates of reform who are laboring with the glory of God in view will plant their feet firmly upon the principles of hygiene; they will adopt a correct practice. The people need true knowledge. By their wrong habits of life, men and women of this generation are bringing upon themselves untold suffering. Physicians have a work to do to bring about reform by educating the people, that they may understand the laws which govern their physical life. They should know how to eat properly, to work intelligently, to dress healthfully, and should be taught to bring all their habits into harmony with the laws of life and health, and to discard drugs. There is a great work to be done. If the principles of health reform are carried out, the work will indeed be as closely allied to that of the third angel's message as the hand is to the body. 13MR 177

But to deny self, to restrict the appetite, to eat only wholesome food and exercise temperance in eating the wholesome food, abstaining almost wholly from the flesh of dead animals that creates nine-tenths of [the] disease in our world, is too severe a process for a large part of our world and of professed Christians to enter into; so they eat and drink without reference to health, and the result is a depraved condition of the system; then they resort to the [use of] drugs, because that is easiest, and there continues to be wicked disregard of the laws of life and of health in taking care to preserve good health. 20MR 374


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Re: Homeopathy #31171
08/28/01 03:48 AM
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{6} How does it work? What is the philosophy?:
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Disease is a disturbance in the Vital Force that interferes with its ability to deal adequately with stress. Tension builds, and the Vital Force is unable to discharge it effectively. This tension causes disease symptoms. The goal of treatment is to trigger a reaction in the Vital Force so that it recognizes its problem and acts to diffuse the tension. Since tension may have been building for some time, other symptoms might appear as it gets diffused. These are usually symptoms we've had before. Hering's Law of Cure, which establishes the criteria for evaluating a healthy response, states that symptoms should appear and then disappear in the following order:

>>from more to less important organs
>>from center to periphery
>>from top to bottom
>>in the reverse order of their appearance in life

The main idea is that a disordered Vital Force spreads inner tension to the wrong places in the body. As the remedy brings more order, the pressure moves from more important organs to less important ones, and eventually leaves the body.

The Vital Force must not be interfered with when it is attempting to bring the disease out to the periphery; otherwise, the progress of the treatment is halted, and any gains made may disappear.(May the force be with you???LS)

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Next, when numerous potentized drugs are used at one time, the Vital Force gets confused. Keep in mind that each remedy has a certain disease state associated with it. If one presents the Vital Force with several disease states all at the same time, the Vital Force gets mixed messages. If used for any length of time, these combination remedies may confuse the Vital Force to the point of no return.



What the SOP says:

God has endowed us with a certain amount of vital force. He has also formed us with organs suited to maintain the various functions of life, and He designs that these organs shall work together in harmony. If we carefully preserve the life force, and keep the delicate mechanism of the body in order, the result is health; but if the vital force is too rapidly exhausted, the nervous system borrows power for present use from its resources of strength, and when one organ is injured, all are affected. Nature bears much abuse without apparent resistance; she then arouses and makes a determined effort to remove the effects of the ill-treatment she has suffered. Her effort to correct these conditions is often manifest in fever and various other forms of sickness. {MH 234.3}

Intemperance in eating and drinking, intemperance in labor, intemperance in almost everything, exists on every hand. Those who make great exertions to accomplish just so much work in a given time, and continue to labor when their judgment tells them they should rest, are never gainers. They are living on borrowed capital. They are expending the vital force which they will need at a future time. And when the energy they have so recklessly used is demanded, they fail for want of it. The physical strength is gone, the mental powers fail. They realize that they have met with a loss, but do not know what it is. Their time of need has come, but their physical resources are exhausted. Every one who violates the laws of health must some time be a sufferer to a greater or less degree. God has provided us with constitutional force, which will be needed at different periods of our lives. If we recklessly exhaust this force by continual overtaxation, we shall sometime be losers. Our usefulness will be lessened, if not our life itself destroyed. {CE 166.2}


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My note: the homeopathic practicioner, who in this case is also an MD, capitalized Vital Force, indicating a proper name, thereby implying that it is an entity of some kind. On the other hand, the vital force spoken of in the SOP is something man was endowed with at creation, which is also called the life force. It came from God and is not some kind of entity living within a person.

[This message has been edited by Linda Sutton (edited August 28, 2001).]


Re: Homeopathy #31172
08/28/01 03:50 AM
08/28/01 03:50 AM
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{7} Allopathic vs. homeopathic
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In homeopathy, drugs are chosen according to the principle of similarity (like cures like). In conventional or allopathic medicine, drugs are chosen on the principle of opposite (a drug must have action opposite to that of the disease). For example, a narcotic lessens a patient's sensitivity to pain, so it can be used if a person is experiencing pain. An expectorant makes one's respiratory tract secrete more mucus, so it can be used when cough is too dry. These effects can be achieved by either natural drugs, like herbs, or synthetic drugs, like most conventional medications. Conceptually, there is little difference between the two approaches.

What the SOP says:

I told them what the Lord had been pleased to show me nearly thirty years ago in regard to the old-school practice of drug medication upon the miserable wrecks of humanity, made so by the use of drugs. I told him of the two systems; the old-schools system had killed thousands and its tens of thousands, while the eclectic, or, as he called it, homeopathy, had done no such deadly work. 20MR 364

When the great question of health reform was opened before me, the methods of treating the sick were plainly revealed to me. The old-school cruel practice and the sure results, where one claimed to be benefited, thousands were made lifelong invalids who, had they never seen a physician, would have recovered of themselves without implanting in their system diseases of a most distressing character. Eclectic was less dangerous. The homeopathy, which creates so deadly opposition from the regular practice, was attended with far less evil consequences than the old-school practice, but did much harm because it could be resorted to so easily and used so readily with so little expense. Many practice upon themselves and fall back upon this without real knowledge of their ailments, and do great harm to themselves. Proper regulation of their diet, abstinence from tea, coffee, and all spices and flesh meats, gaining an intelligent knowledge of temperance, would be medicine above all drugs. 20MR 373

But notwithstanding all I could say, he would go over the same ground again, presenting the infallibility of the allopathy above the homeopathy. I was sure all that I had said of the light which the Lord had been pleased to give me was in his mind as thistledown before the mind. He has asserted that he used less drugs than Dr. Gibbs, while Dr. Gibbs declares it is otherwise. 20MR 375


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The 3 quotes above concerning homeopathy are all found in one manuscript dealing with 2 doctors, a husband and wife at an Adventist sanitarium who refused to practice what they termed homeopathic medicine. They used drugs (allopathy) in the treatment of patients and did not believe in the use of natural remedies, calling them homeopathy. This seems to be how Sister White is using the term: as natural remedies versus drug medication remedies. There is nothing in her writings that indicate that she endorsed what is today called homeopathy. Indeed, she made mentions of the use of the little homeopathic doses in the negative. Over and over again she makes reference to the use of the eight natural remedies, the use of water treatments and herbs to heal the sick and of educating them about their bodies and how to live healthy. She spoke out against the use of anything of a spiritualist nature in healing.

I am instructed to say that in the future great watchfulness will be needed. There is to be among God's people no spiritual stupidity. Evil spirits are actively engaged in seeking to control the minds of human beings. Men are binding up in bundles, ready to be consumed by the fires of the last days. Those who discard Christ and His righteousness will accept the sophistry that is flooding the world. Christians are to be sober and vigilant, steadfastly resisting their adversary the devil, who is going about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Men under the influence of evil spirits will work miracles. They will make people sick by casting their spell upon them, and will then remove the spell, leading others to say that those who were sick have been miraculously healed. This Satan has done again and again.--Letter 259, 1903.

We need not be deceived. Wonderful scenes, with which Satan will be closely connected, will soon take place. God's Word declares that Satan will work miracles. He will make people sick, and then will suddenly remove from them his satanic power. They will then be regarded as healed. These works of apparent healing will bring Seventh-day Adventists to the test. Many who have had great light will fail to walk in the light, because they have not become one with Christ.--Letter 57, 1904. —2SM 53



All emphasis is mine

[This message has been edited by Linda Sutton (edited August 28, 2001).]


Re: Homeopathy #31173
04/04/02 07:49 PM
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The following article is from a UK online newspaper, The Independent.
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Alternative therapy is 'magic, not medicine'
By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor
01 March 2002

Homoeopathy, the practice of treating ailments with highly dilute solutions of agents, is not medicine but magic, a review of research studies has found. People who consult homoeopaths and swallow their remedies are wasting their money and their time, according to the National Centre for Reviews and Dissemination at York University.

An estimated 470,000 people use homoeopathic remedies in England every year, and their popularity is rapidly rising. The Royal Pharmaceutical Society estimated that over-the-counter sales of homoeopathic remedies reached £23m in 1998.

The government-funded centre at York University, which examines the evidence for treatments and issues advice to the NHS, reached its damning conclusion about the centuries-old treatment after examining 46 systematic reviews of research published in the past decade, encompassing 200 randomised controlled trials.

It concluded: "There is currently insufficient evidence of effectiveness either to recommend homoeopathy as a treatment for any specific condition, or to warrant significant changes in the current provision of homoeopathy."

The finding will add to the confusion and uncertainty surrounding complementary medicine. Although hugely popular with patients, many doctors remain sceptical. However, an increasing number have shown themselves prepared to suspend their scientific disbelief in favour of a pragmatic decision to provide patients with what they want.

A 1995 survey revealed that four out of ten general practices had links with complementary practitioners, and 6 per cent employed their own therapist. Surveys carried out since then suggest those figures are likely to be substantially higher today.

A separate study of homoeopathy in the treatment of 242 patients with asthma caused by house dust mite allergy, published in the British Medical Journal today, found it was no better than placebo in improving either breathing or quality of life. Previous smaller studies had suggested there was a benefit.

The study, led by Dr George Lewith, a noted supporter of complementary medicine and a senior research fellow at the Royal South Hants Hospital, Southampton, concluded: "In this double blind, randomised, controlled trial ... we have failed to confirm that this treatment is therapeutically efficacious."

The findings of the York centre review and the BMJ study were dismissed by homoeopathic organisations. Wendy Miller, executive director of the British Holistic Medical Association, said: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Maybe they haven't done enough studies of the right kind. Homoeopathy treats patients as individuals whereas in randomised controlled trials patients are lumped together in groups. So the randomised trials won't show up the effect of individual treatment."

The growth of complementary medicine has been one of the most powerful social trends of the past two decades, fuelled by increasing disillusion with conventional medicine, which has proved ineffective against many of the chronic illnesses of modern times.

It was backed by the influential BMJ, which in 1999 launched a guide to complementary medicine for doctors, with advice on what worked and what didn't. Use of the therapies was so widespread, it said, they could not be ignored.

However, the equally influential New England Journal of Medicine condemned complementary medicine and its practitioners for peddling untested, unregulated remedies that could pose risks to patients.

An investigation by the House of Lords Science and Technology Committee in 2000 concluded that the public needed protection from untested alternative remedies and rogue practitioners. It said homoeopathy was an "acceptable" therapy which should move towards statutory regulation.

'We don't treat diseases, we treat sick people'

I have been a practising homoeopath for 25 years and in scientific terms I believe the current is running strongly in our favour.

These two reports [from the York centre and the British Medical Journal] are a couple of setbacks but if you look carefully at them there is still some evidence of positive effect.

I am a medical doctor as well as a homoeopath and a specialist in rheumatology. I could do conventional rheumatology, and I do occasionally, but I would feel my right arm was cut off if I couldn't practise homoeopathy.

The finding of the BMJ study by George Lewith is disappointing but there were four previous studies all of which were positive. This is the biggest but I am inclined to say that it is four to one in favour of homoeopathy.

The key areas where there is a positive effect of homoeopathy are allergies, flu-like illnesses, arthritis and ileus (paralysis of the bowel after surgery).

The problem with all these studies is that they employ a simplified model of homoeopathy.

[In the BMJ study], all they did was determine which patients were allergic [to house dust mites] and treat them with the same homoeopathic remedy ­ what we call isopathy, like for like treatment.

What any homoeopath would do in a real consultation is talk to the patient and treat them constitutionally rather than just treat the allergy. We don't treat diseases, we treat sick people. The principle of homoeopathy is to treat the ailment with an agent that produces similar symptoms. So for a patient with hay fever, you might use a remedy based on onion. You look for something that causes a similar effect ­ the running eyes and streaming nose associated with hay fever which you also get when you chop onions.

What you are doing is giving the body information, stimulating and directing the body's own defences.

I believe the evidence in favour of homoeopathy as a whole is positive ­ but the research is scattered and there is not all that much of it.

Two comprehensive reviews both said the evidence was positive overall but in any one condition it was insufficient. More research has to be done."

Dr Peter Fisher, 51, is clinical director of the Royal London Homoeopathic Hospital and homoeopathic physician to the Queen (appointed November 2001).

© 2001 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd


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02/17/03 08:32 PM
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Hi, Linda!

I appreciate your overview of homeopathy. I know your search was done a while ago, but I was trying to investigate the subject myself wondering and find information very scant. In your search did you come across any indications of the source for the remedy ingredients?

Lorelei

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Hi Lorelei! [Smile]

Linda did an excellent job researching this topic. I hope that she, and possibly others here, will be able to help you in your own research.

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On a personal note:

I am sorry we missed you and Dedreic last Sabbath. [Frown]

We decided to visit the Zealand church and discovered several other Fredericton church members there too. [Smile]

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