I put some info in another thread regarding this subject, but felt it deserved its own thread.

Personally, I feel that the vaccines and flu/immunization shots are poison, which is harmful to our bodies and should be avoided. I also believe that the medical profession is ignorant to the fact that they harm as well. I will support my feeling/belief with some evidence that people can search for themselves.

None of our 4 children have had any vaccination or immunization shot. My sister, did the same with her son. My uncle, originally from Nova Scotia as well, has 4 children and told me that his first two children had all of their vaccines. His third child had 1, his youngest had none.
His observations showed him that the youngest is the healthiest by far. The first two are sick whenever something goes around.

My friend, back when I first got married, told me that Ellen White wrote somewhere that vaccines were not to be taken. Althought I haven't found that exact piece of writing, maybe he was mentioning the writing where she said to avoid the doctor's poisons.

Evidence that they are bad

There are ongoing lawsuits right now against the vaccine companies, due to the years of using thimerosal (ethyl mercury) in the vaccines. Almost every one of them, (if not all) contained mercury. Now, the vaccine companies have stated that they are manufacturing thimerosal free vaccines, but they didn't destroy the ones still containing mercury. So a person has no idea if they are getting new or old vaccines.

Mercury isn't the only nasty ingredient in vaccines. Aluminum, is another. Aluminum, contributes to diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease, to name a couple. Mercury, likes to inhabit the brain and spinal cord, over time. This is why more elderly people are coming down wih Alzheimer's.

Not to mention a food additive that is in almost all hot chocolate mixes, cappuchinos, mochas, and others; Aluminum silicate. Just thought I would add that in since I mentioned aluminum. Another source of aluminum for people to avoid is canned drinks, and canned foods (whether or not the cans are aluminum for the foods, or if they are still use tin, is irrelevant. It still contaminates our food)

Back to vaccines.
The one ingredient that really disturbed me was the human diploid cells. Translation= human aborted fetal tissue. Yes, you read correctly. It is downright immoral for this to be allowed to happen. And on top of it all, it does nothing to immunize us from disease.

Formaldehyde is another common ingredient. It interests me intensely that the media and government will spew their incessant accusations that cigarettes are so harmful for people (which they are, I am not defending them), while in gas stations and corner stores there hang signs warning people to beware of cigarettes due to the harmful formaldehyde that is in them. Hmmm.... it is also in many vaccines/immunization shots. Do we see a contradiction here ? It is okay to use it to inject into people, but not okay in cigarettes ? Then again, info on vaccines is not made public. Therefore, people sit in the dark, and take the word of the medical authorities that they are safe.

I will digress here for a moment and mention the latest Avian bird flu pandemic that has many worried. The Tamiflu vaccine that is being promoted, is best to avoid. Even if a person believes in vaccines, take note of this;

Usually, in order to be effective against flu strains, there has to be an outbreak of that particular strain first. However, nothing has come about for this latest pandemic, but yet, the US government ordered 20 million doses of the Tamiflu, so they can sell them to Americans for $100 each. Big money, is it not ? Interesting to note that Rumsfeld, the secretary of defense, has ties to the company that now owns the rights to the Tamiflu vaccine. In fact, he has shares in the company. Many other politicians also have shares in many pharmaceutical companies as well.

So in essence, the Tamiflu vaccine is useless. It goes to show that perhaps, these flus are more hype to make profit for the pharmaceutical companies than anything else. There are ways to build up immune systems without taking harmful vaccines with ingredients that are highly toxic.

Going back to mercury, the EPA (Environmental protection agency in California) has stated that there is no safe level of exposure to mercury (for humans) Therefore, meaning absolutely toxic. Something to avoid. Yet, we have it in our vaccines (well, now that the public found out about its use, they removed it) and the dental field continues to use it in silver amalgam fillings. (another topic altogether)

The attitude is wrong regarding the mercury. A panel of scientists, and officials sat down to discuss the mercury issue before the public found out regarding its use, and they decided that if warranted, they would stop using the mercury laced vaccines in North America, but rather, use them in third world countries instead ( I guess, where noone knows the difference)

If you are interested in learning more about vaccines, a physicians desk reference is a place to view the ingredients, or here is one website to look at.
www.tetrahedron.org

and another
http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

A book I just picked up recently from the library called
"The truth about the drug companies" by Marcia Angell, so far is a good book. I haven't finished it yet. Another book by the same author that I would like to read as well is called
"Science on trial"
I am hoping it is the book to answer my theories on if many scientists are merely "paid off" to conduct studies to the liking of whichever company is paying them. Much of my research indicates that this is the case. A person to verify this, that has first hand experience with it, is a welcome addition to my collection of books.

It boils down to this folks; there are studies out there stating mercury is safe. The dentists are using it. Half of all the mined mercury in the world goes into the dental field. Yet the EPA, stated what I posted above. There are other studies which state it is harmful (which it is)
Same goes for fluoride. There are studies saying it is safe and beneficial, and others which state it isn't. No wonder people are confused.

It all comes down to the sources. Look at where things originate, and ask yourself, is it really safe ??

And this isn't even getting into the other ingredients of some vaccines which contain pig, monkey liver, monkey kidney cells, msg, gelatin (which I will add in the food additive section)

We seriously need to be on guard of what we are allowing others to put into our bodies, no matter what rank or profession they are. Education is the key. I hope this helps some out there to make a decision and look into things before going wth the flow of society.

I would very much like to see the studies that show there is a link between Aluminum and Alzheimer's. A real scientific study. Less than 3 months ago my mother died from it so I had done a bit of reading about the deisease, there has never been a study that shows the link that I'm aware of.

Vaccines I consider a gift from God. They have saved millions of lives and countless others from the misery of the likes of polio. Are there side effects? Yes. There are side effects and dangers of autos as well, but the good far outweighs the harm so we still drive.

Mrs. White never says anything about vaccines, however she does say that meds should not be used often, she never says they should be avoided at all costs. In fact she herself drank coffee as a medicine.

Redfog

[ February 06, 2006, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: Redfog ]

Greetings,

The factor which is seldomed considered in mortality rate is the issue of the people were learning how be sanitary. Today people are doing better because they are aware how to be clean.

Here is an example:

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The importance of sanitary factors in epidemic disease control was apparent in the epidemiology of smallpox epidemics in England during the 1800's. Smallpox vaccinations were voluntary in England between 1840 and 1853. In 1853 vacinnations became obigatory as the incidence of smallpox averaged 2000 cases per year. In 1871, after 31 years of vaccinations,including 18 years of obligatory vaccination, the worst epidemic ever seen in England occurred with 23,062 cases of smallpox. Faced with this situation were emphasized and smallpox regressed rapidly in areas where where necessary sanitary measures were taken.
-The Case Against Vaccinations, by Clark H. Hansen, N.D.

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There are many who have been scarred in their health by vaccinations. I have a friend who has epilepsy only because of vaccinations, and she is not the only one with poor health. There are a great deal more people out there who have been hurt through vaccination, if we would only take the time to find out how many are really sick now because of vaccinations.

I, myself was not aware of this great situation until a few short years ago after a doctor pointed out to me the great deal of information the public is not given to make wise choices.

Your Sister in Christ,
Cheri Fritz

Well, as far as vaccinations go, I have to say that I am glad that my kids are up-to-date. Because, they could well be on their way to getting some of the different diseases that are popping up all over now. Now, I have absolutely nothing against anyone from another country, but living here near Andrews University, my kids are exposed to a lot of people from a lot of different countries. Without their vaccinations, they probably would have come down with polio or whooping cough or some other "extinct" disease, because of all the people going to AU from different countries. I am happy to say that other than an occasional ear ache and upset tummy, they are VERY healthy kids. Again, I re-iterate that they have had the vaccinations and are up-to-date on them all. I think that some people just are not able to handle the vaccinations as well as others. I had them all, my husband had them all, my sisters had them all, my kids (so far) have had them all. It's really sad that some people have to grasp at straws and blame one of the very things that can save your life for making their kid sick. That's just my viewpoint and I will probably get slammed for it. I don't care. I have a right to voice my opinion.

Just some short thoughts.

Vaccines wear off in years. If an adult thinks they are safe, then think again.

It was interesting to note my friend who is an LVN was required to get the flu shot, she got the flu. Her husband, son and myself who live with or near her did not get the flu, and we did not get the shots.

The bottom line is our immune system. The healthier we are the less we will get anything.

Think about it back in the 1918 epidemic. Millions died, but more millions lived. Instead of wasting millions of dollars on study of the ones that died and the virus they should study the blood of those that did not die from the flu and find out why.

Liane, the Zoo Mama

Vaccines and Immune defence arent independent of eachother. Rather the though is that having a vaccination triggers the immune system into high gear. The first vaccination came from the observation that people who had previously had the cowpox disease where more likely to survive smallpox. The idea then is that by infecting yourself with a minor disease, you will be less likely to die from a major disease. By not vaccinating yourself you wont suffer the minor disease but should you be infected with the deadly version your chances are greately diminished.

More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination

Just a few points. Those who are not vaccinated are protected by those that are. The few people in a population who will not get vaccinated will likely not get sick because those around them will not get sick because they are protected by vaccines and thus prevent epidemics from ever getting going.

Also to say that all sickness is caused by the foods we eat is false, it is to completely overlook hereditary and other factors.

Also to say that drugs can never heal is false. How many millions of lives have been saved by antibiotics? And Mrs. White herself chided parents who would not give life saving drugs to their children. Common sense is called for when it comes to drugs.

Because the origin of a word means witchcraft has absolutely no bearing on the word pharmacy today.

There has been zero scientific studies that show any link what-so-ever between aluminum and Alzheimer's.

Redfog

Greetings Brother Redfog,

Please provide your references for your statements concerning Mrs. White and drugs.

Thank you,
Sr. Cheri Fritz

I think some of today's population has forgotten how devastating a lot of these diseases once were and still are among the unvaccinated. Especially the babies born to mothers with the diseases, e.g. Rubella. Do a search on congenital rubella infections. It's horrible. Unfortunately in California there are a lot of Mexicans who have not received their MMR shots and their children suffer horribly because of it. People with absolutely no medical training (most of those here) should not speak with authority on a subject that they know nothing about other than a few anecdotes.