HOME CHAT ROOM #1 CHAT ROOM #2 Forum Topics Within The Last 7 Days REGISTER ENTER FORUMS BIBLE SCHOOL CONTACT US

Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine Christian Family Fellowship Forums
(formerly Maritime SDA OnLine)
Consisting mainly of both members and friends of the Seventh-day Adventist Church
Welcomes and invites other members and friends of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to join us!

Click Here To Read Legal Notice & Disclaimer
Suggested a One Time Yearly $20 or Higher Donation Accepted Here to Help Cover the Yearly Expenses of Operating & Upgrading. We need at least $20 X 10 yearly donations.
Donations accepted: Here
ShoutChat Box
Newest Members
ekoorb1030, jibb555, MBloomfield, Dina, Nelson
1323 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums118
Topics9,189
Posts195,525
Members1,323
Most Online5,850
Feb 29th, 2020
Seventh-day Adventist Church In Canada Links
Seventh-day Adventist Church in Canada

Newfoundland & Labrador Mission

Maritime Conference

Quebec Conference

Ontario Conference

Manitoba-Saskatchewan Conference

Alberta Conference

British Columbia Conference

7 Top Posters(30 Days)
kland 15
Rick H 15
Daryl 4
March
S M T W T F S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31
Member Spotlight
ProdigalOne
ProdigalOne
Alberta, Canada
Posts: 1,168
Joined: June 2015
Show All Member Profiles 
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
Live Space Station Tracking
Here is a link to show exactly where the Space Station is over earth right now: Click Here
Last 7 Pictures From Photo Gallery Forums
He hath set an harvest for thee
Rivers Of Living Water
He Leads Us To Green Pastures
Remember What God Has Done
Remember The Sabbath
"...whiter than snow..."
A Beautiful Spring Day
Who's Online
3 registered members (Karen Y, 2 invisible), 2,970 guests, and 5 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 7 of 12 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 11 12
Re: The Arsenals of God's Wrath - An Inspired Account #7143
10/30/05 06:40 PM
10/30/05 06:40 PM
Tom  Offline
Active Member 2012
14500+ Member
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,795
Lawrence, Kansas
But the Spirit of Prophesy tells us ALL that we can know about God was revealed in the life and character of His Son in His humanity. So what you're saying cannot be true, if the statement from the Spirit of Prophesy is true, right?

Re: The Arsenals of God's Wrath - An Inspired Account #7144
10/31/05 03:36 PM
10/31/05 03:36 PM
Mountain Man  Offline OP
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
No. I have shared quote after quote where the SOP clearly describes Jesus doing things He didn't do while He walked this planet as a human being. The quotes you posted do not contradict mine. The obvious answer to this apparent dilemma is not to assume your quotes trump mine - but, rather, they compliment one another. Exactly how they do this is clear to me. But your view of it is very much different mine. You believe you are spot on and that I am dead wrong.

Re: The Arsenals of God's Wrath - An Inspired Account #7145
11/01/05 04:41 AM
11/01/05 04:41 AM
Tom  Offline
Active Member 2012
14500+ Member
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,795
Lawrence, Kansas
If the Scriptures say that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever, and you don't believe that, this isn't a case of one set of quotes trumping another, but of your not believing the principle that Christ does not change.

In the examples you gave of Christ apparently acting differently, the obvious answer is that He is only apparently acting differently, but not actually. Either that or the statements are false which say otherwise.

I'm trying to get you to see this simple logic. There is a premise

1)a)Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever
b)ALL that we can know of God was revealed in the life and character of His Son

and a conclusion

2)It's not possible to come up with an example of Jesus acting differently than the premises in 1)a) and 1)b) without disproving the premises.

So by coming up with supposed counterexamples, you're attempting to do something impossible. If the principles are true, a counterexample is not possible. That's the point I've been driving at regarding the arguments I've presented. If the arguments are not sound, you should be able to point to either a premise or inference which is not correct. So far you haven't mentioned anything.

Still waiting,

Tom

Re: The Arsenals of God's Wrath - An Inspired Account #7146
11/01/05 07:35 PM
11/01/05 07:35 PM
Mountain Man  Offline OP
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
Tom, the Bible and the SOP both make it abundantly clear that Jesus punished and destroyed millions of unsaved sinners by causing a worldwide flood. Please read the initial post of this thread.

You believe Jesus simply stopped holding back the inevitable forces of nature. But you have yet to demonstrate Jesus caused or permitted a worldwide flood during His earthly sojourn.

Did Jesus cause or permit the forces of nature to kill millions in a wolrdwide flood when He was on Earth?

Re: The Arsenals of God's Wrath - An Inspired Account #7147
11/01/05 09:13 PM
11/01/05 09:13 PM
Tom  Offline
Active Member 2012
14500+ Member
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,795
Lawrence, Kansas
MM: As I stated, I am anxious to answer your questions in more detail, but I am waiting for you to address the question I have been asking you before I do so. My question is, do you believe the following argument is sound?

Given:
a)Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever
b)ALL that we can know of God was revealed in the character of His life and Son

Then it follows that:
c)Jesus Christ has never acted, nor will He in the future, act materially different than He did while on earth.

If this argument is not sound, then either the premises are false, or the conclusion does not logically follow from the premises. Which is it, MM? If the argument IS sound, then you're wasting your time trying to come up with a counter example.

A brief answer to your question is that Jesus did do the things you are referencing, in principle, during His life on earth (although your method of phrasing the question I would say is misleading).

Re: The Arsenals of God's Wrath - An Inspired Account #7148
11/02/05 05:11 PM
11/02/05 05:11 PM
Mountain Man  Offline OP
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
I believe your equation applies to the mission of Jesus while He was on Earth. He did not come to judge or damn sinners. Rather, He came to make salvation available to us. I do not believe your formula takes into account everything Jesus has done or will do before and after His Earthly mission.

quote:
A brief answer to your question is that Jesus did do the things you are referencing, in principle, during His life on earth (although your method of phrasing the question I would say is misleading).
I cannot think of anything Jesus did while on Earth that even remotely compares to the Flood. Yes, He cursed a tree and drove people out of the temple, but these do not come close to the Flood. The principles are totally different.

Re: The Arsenals of God's Wrath - An Inspired Account #7149
11/02/05 07:17 PM
11/02/05 07:17 PM
Tom  Offline
Active Member 2012
14500+ Member
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,795
Lawrence, Kansas
The two statements I have been using as premises are:

a)Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.
b)All that we can know of God was revealed in the life and character of His Son (on earth).

I agree with you that these statements are in reference to Christ's ministry on earth.

It appears to me that you are contradicting the above premises by your assertion that Christ did not do anything even remotely like the flood while here on earth.

Assuming for the sake of discussion that you are correct, and Christ didn't do anything remotely like the flood while here on earth, can you explain how your assertion is not contradicting statements a) and b) above?

What I believe is that Jesus did not act differently in principle from how God, or Christ Himself, acts at any other time, whether before or after Christ's coming. My proof of this are the statements a) and b) above.

Re: The Arsenals of God's Wrath - An Inspired Account #7150
11/03/05 03:17 PM
11/03/05 03:17 PM
Mountain Man  Offline OP
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
What I am saying is that Jesus hasn't used a Flood to depopulate the Earth since the first time He did it. In fact, the rainbow is a sign He will never do it again. So, yes, your formula does not account for the Flood.

Re: The Arsenals of God's Wrath - An Inspired Account #7151
11/03/05 03:45 PM
11/03/05 03:45 PM
Tom  Offline
Active Member 2012
14500+ Member
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,795
Lawrence, Kansas
The two statements I have been using as premises are:

a)Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.
b)All that we can know of God was revealed in the life and character of His Son (on earth).

It appears to me that you are contradicting the above premises by your assertion that Christ did not do anything even remotely like the flood while here on earth.

Assuming for the sake of discussion that you are correct, and Christ didn't do anything remotely like the flood while here on earth, can you explain how your assertion is not contradicting statements a) and b) above?

Re: The Arsenals of God's Wrath - An Inspired Account #7152
11/04/05 04:14 AM
11/04/05 04:14 AM
Mountain Man  Offline OP
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
quote:
... your formula does not account for the Flood.

Page 7 of 12 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 11 12

Moderator  dedication 

Sabbath School Lesson Study Material Link
Here is the link to this week's Sabbath School Lesson Study and Discussion Material: Click Here
Most Recent Posts From Selected Public Forums
Seven Trumpets reconsidered
by Karen Y. 03/27/24 09:35 AM
Are the words in the Bible "imperfect"?
by Kevin H. 03/24/24 09:02 PM
The Story of David and Goliath
by ProdigalOne. 03/23/24 08:06 PM
Global Warming Farce
by kland. 03/22/24 10:17 AM
Carbon Dioxide What's so Bad about It?
by kland. 03/21/24 12:34 PM
The Value of Bible Types
by TruthinTypes. 03/17/24 06:22 PM
Orion Which Every One on the Globe Can See
by Rick H. 03/16/24 06:26 PM
'Prophet' Summons UFOs
by ProdigalOne. 03/16/24 02:19 AM
Will You Take The Wuhan Virus Vaccine?
by dedication. 03/11/24 06:31 PM
Get That Razor Wire Up!
by kland. 03/05/24 12:49 PM
Messages for This Time
by ProdigalOne. 03/04/24 05:54 AM
The Lake of Fire is Hell
by Rick H. 03/02/24 05:01 PM
Adventist Agriculture
by kland. 02/29/24 12:33 PM
Most Recent Posts From Selected Private Forums of MSDAOL
The Wound Is Healed! The Mark Is Forming!
by Rick H. 03/27/24 10:36 PM
Are we seeing a outpouring of the Holy Spirit?
by Rick H. 03/24/24 06:50 PM
Time Is Short!
by Rick H. 03/24/24 06:45 PM
Climate Change and the Sunday Law
by Rick H. 03/24/24 06:42 PM
WHAT IS THE VERY END-TIME PROPHECY?
by Rick H. 03/23/24 06:03 PM
Digital Identity Control
by Rick H. 03/23/24 02:08 PM
A.I. - The New God?
by Rick H. 03/23/24 01:59 PM
Christian Nationalism/Sunday/C
limate Change

by ProdigalOne. 03/16/24 08:38 PM
Perils of the Emerging Church Movement
by Rick H. 03/16/24 06:30 PM
Is There A Connection Between WO & LGBTQ?
by Kevin H. 03/12/24 09:20 PM
A Second American Civil War?
by Daryl. 03/04/24 06:14 PM
Forum Announcements
Visitors by Country Since February 11, 2013
Flag Counter
Google Maritime SDA OnLine Public Forums Site Search & Google Translation Service
Google
 
Web www.maritime-sda-online.com

Copyright 2000-Present
Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine (formerly Maritime SDA OnLine).

LEGAL NOTICE:
The views expressed in this forum are those of individuals
and do not necessarily represent those of Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine,
as well as the Seventh-day Adventist Church
from the local church level to the General Conference level.

Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine (formerly Maritime SDA OnLine) is also a self-supporting ministry
and is not part of, or affiliated with, or endorsed by
The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland
or any of its subsidiaries.

"And He saith unto them, follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." Matt. 4:19
MARITIME 2ND ADVENT BELIEVERS ONLINE (FORMERLY MARITIME SDA ONLINE) CONSISTING MAINLY OF BOTH MEMBERS & FRIENDS
OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH,
INVITES OTHER MEMBERS & FRIENDS OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WHO WISHES TO JOIN US!
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1