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Christian Perfection of Character - what and how. #79628
09/27/06 11:23 PM
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My seven theses for the topic:

1) The 144,000 are made up of real people who have perfected their characters through the work of the Holy Spirit and their own determined co-operation in that work.

2) God will send Elijah before the 'great and dreadful day' with a message of repentance and pardon that will result in character prefection.

3) Good intentions are not enough for translation. The character must be purified. Those who live to see Christ return will be purified by that message.

4) The three angel's messages are messages of both pardon and character perfection - they are the Elijah message.

5) These messages will be given to the world whether the main body of Adventism is faithful to them or not. All who co-operate with Christ will give them, and only those who co-operate with Christ will give them.

6) Christ's ministry within the Most Holy Place makes every power in heaven available to us to rennovate us into the moral image of God. Character perfection is being remodeled into the moral image of God. We become both gracious and fearless.

7) Character perfection is not optional. The closing statement by Christ in the sermon on the mount is not only a sublime promise, but also the most positive duty and command: "Be ye therefore perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect."

Re: Christian Perfection of Character - what and how. #79629
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One more thesis:

8) Those who allow the Holy Spirit to perfect their characters will be the last to claim that they have obtained their goal. They will realize that they are mere reflectors of the wisdom and righteousness of the One Source, Christ. Their righteousness is borrowed from Him who the prophet refers to as THE Lord Our Righteousness.
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23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this [is] his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
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Re: Christian Perfection of Character - what and how. #79630
09/28/06 10:41 AM
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The purpose of salvation is to test us and at the same time to morally regenerate us. It is accomplished by the priesthood of Christ in the Holiest:

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10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
10:15 [Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
10:18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
10:21 And [having] an high priest over the house of God;
10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.




One more thesis:

9) All who are fully sanctified have claimed the ministry of Christ in the Holiest by faith whether living before or after 1844. Those living before 1844 such as the apostles looked forward to the future ministry of Christ there where the law resides, the unchanging moral standard of righteousness.

Re: Christian Perfection of Character - what and how. #79631
09/28/06 11:51 AM
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Another two theses:

10) Sanctification and perfection are not possible without a clear understanding of the law because the law is the detector of sin and sin must be expelled from the soul. So access to the Holiest ministry of Christ and his mediation of the Holy Spirit to write the law on the heart is and has always been essential to sanctification and perfection.

11) Living prior to 1844 has therefore never been a barrier to perfection. Perfection of character has always been the purpose of God for us, the church.

Re: Christian Perfection of Character - what and how. #79632
09/28/06 04:03 PM
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1. Character perfection is an eternal process.

2. In and through Jesus Christ, it begins here and now and will continue throughout eternity.

3. It is not something we achieve after years of sinning and repenting less and less, or by becoming more and more perfect.

4. Character perfection is a gift we receive the instant we are born again.

5. The instant we are born again God implants within us every one of His righteous attributes of character. Not one is missing.

6. We are born again perfect, but we are not, however, born again mature.

7. Sanctification is the eternal process of becoming more and more mature in the fruits of Spirit.

8. Everything we need to know about being perfect has been available to mankind since the Fall.

9. It is not an experience reserved for the 144,000.

10. We can and must rejoice in our perfection and newness of life, but it will never occur to us, however, to boast or to draw attention away from Jesus.

11. So long as we are walking in the Spirit and mind of the new man, so long as we are abiding in Jesus, so long as we are partaking of the divine nature we cannot commit a known sin.

12. The Holy Spirit will not allow a born again believer to possess or cultivate a defective trait of character without realizing it is wrong.

13. To commit a known sin we must first disconnect from Jesus, and in so doing we resurrect the mind of the old man and revert back to sinning.

14. The gift of repentance, however, empowers us to confess and forsake our sin, and it gives God the legal right to pardon us and to restore us back to the Spirit and mind of the new man.

15. We cannot work our way to heaven, but none us will be there, however, if we refuse to allow heaven to work its way in us.

Re: Christian Perfection of Character - what and how. #79633
09/29/06 02:34 PM
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http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/documents/How%20Perfect%20Is%20Perfect.htm

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The Bible writers are not saying that these men are sinless. The meaning is that of spiritual maturity, full grown spiritually, ripe in spiritual understanding, whole in response to god, keeping nothing back. A "perfect" Christian is one whose heart and mind are permanently committed to Christ, cannot be moved. Noah, Abraham, and Job were all declared to be "perfect" men. Yet the history of their lives shows that they were far from being sinless.
If one's view of sin is shallow enough, sinless perfection would not be an impossible achievement. It is a defective view of sin that leads to a wrong understanding of perfection. If sin simply means a deliberate, willful doing of what is known to be wrong, then no Christian should commit this kind of sin. But if sin includes also a man's state of mind and heart, man's bias toward sin, sin as an indwelling tendency, then perfection presents a totally different picture.




Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Christian Perfection of Character - what and how. #79634
09/29/06 02:42 PM
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If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:8-10)
We find here the most solemn warning against the doctrine of sinless perfection in this life. The incontrovertible meaning of this passage is that the man is a self-deceiver who claims for himself what the apostle John dared not claim. The truth is not in him. The doctrine of sinless perfection leads to the conclusion that both Christ and the Holy Spirit are unnecessary once this state of eradication of the sinful nature is reached. Wherever the professed Christian claims to have the sinful nature eradicated in his life, there is a corresponding loss of true dependence upon Christ. There is a break in the only saving relationship that man needs for victory. This allows people to sin and call evil good. It discourages those who strive to be like Christ, but fall short of this false idea of perfection.





Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Christian Perfection of Character - what and how. #79635
09/29/06 03:24 PM
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Let those who feel inclined to make a high profession of holiness look into the mirror of God's law. As they see its far-reaching claims, and understand its work as a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart, they will not boast of sinlessness. "If we," says John, not separating himself from his brethren, "say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." "If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us." "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:8, 10, 9. {AA 562.2}




Your warning quotes against false ideas of perfection are good Thomas, but look at this warning quote by Ellen White above. She not only gives the warning, she reaffirms in scripture that Christ will cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Compare this with the her statements I quoted at the beginning on 'Be ye therefor perfect...." Let's analyse what perfection she is talking about - what is possible and what isn't.

Isn't she saying our flesh is sinful, we are naturally inclined to sin, but . . . we can be restored. Moses was perfect during the fourty years of wandering in my view, and yet fell at the end of his life. So we aren't talking about being placed beyond sinning, I think that's clear. Also, we continue to grow after being 'perfected' - not that I claim to be.

Re: Christian Perfection of Character - what and how. #79636
09/29/06 04:29 PM
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MM: Paul refers to "perfecting holiness". Obviously, therefore, there is plenty of room to grow and mature in the righteous traits of character God implants within us the moment we are born again, the instant we are made complete in Christ.

V: "But if sin includes also a man's state of mind and heart, man's bias toward sin, sin as an indwelling tendency, then perfection presents a totally different picture."

MM: Yes, we inherit and possess sinful flesh nature, but we are not guilty of sinning because of it. Jesus Himself inherited and possessed sinful flesh nature. It is not a sin to inherit and possess sinful flesh nature.

V: "The doctrine of sinless perfection leads to the conclusion that both Christ and the Holy Spirit are unnecessary once this state of eradication of the sinful nature is reached."

MM: No one is saying that our sinful flesh nature is eradicated when we are born again, or anytime thereafter in this lifetime. We retain it until Jesus replaces it with a sinless one when He returns in the clouds of glory. In the meantime, we must partake of the divine nature, which is what enables us to resist the unholy thoughts and feelings communicated to our new man mind by our fallen flesh nature.

Re: Christian Perfection of Character - what and how. #79637
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Did you read the entire article Mark? Id assume the author would be aware of Ellens take on the issue considering where it was published.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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