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The Post-Modern Acts of God #84712
02/02/07 11:09 AM
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vastergotland  Offline OP
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This fundamental shift in thinking naturally affects the way people approach faith and their relationship to faith-based institutions. The Seventh-day Adventist Church, with its rigid structures and traditional approach to outreach, will certainly not be able to continue with business as usual in a post-modern world. I believe Jesus gives a glimpse of the Adventist dilemma in Matt 5:13-16. There He articulates two types of Christian community. One is based on the model of a city/fortress, the other is based on salt.

In the fortress model of evangelism, the saints are safely enclosed in protective walls with strong gates. They avoid undue influence from "the world" and safeguard the integrity of the community. From time to time, however, they will hold a "crusade" by opening the gates, sending out the army, and snatching up a few captives. The captives are brought back to the fortress, the gates are slammed shut and all is well in Fortressland. But we live in a world where the captives are becoming fewer and the casualties larger as a result of this approach.

In the salt model of evangelism, the salt mingles with a dish of food and melts in to the point where one can hardly tell what is salt and what is food anymore. But the result of this process is that the entire dish tastes better. The salt model is an incarnational model. The saints go out into the world and seek to make it a better place by their presence.

While the fortress model worked extremely well in the age of Christian modernism and continues to work well in territories where a large number of Christian modernists can be found, I believe the salt model points the way to a work for post-moderns that will engage the church and society in a productive interaction. I see nine changes in traditional Adventist outreach that will be necessary if we wish to participate in the mighty act of God that we call post-modernism.

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Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: The Post-Modern Acts of God [Re: vastergotland] #84716
02/02/07 03:09 PM
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Our church has always worked on the "salt" model. Jesus said, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Mat 28:19, 20)

We are also counseled to call people out of the Babylonian churches into the safety and haven of the Remnant Church. "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." (Rev 18:4, 5)

Paul, as a good shepherd, jealously guarded his flock. He often counseled church members to avoid hypocrites and heretics and people who rejected the gospel as it is in Jesus. "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother." (2 Thes 3:14, 15)

1 Corinthians
5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

2 Corinthians
6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

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Re: The Post-Modern Acts of God [Re: Mountain Man] #84720
02/02/07 03:57 PM
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vastergotland  Offline OP
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Mike, your post betrays that you have not read the entire article since you repeatedly, seemingly unawares, make contradicting statements without further comment.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: The Post-Modern Acts of God [Re: vastergotland] #84721
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"... contradicting statements without further comment." What do you think is contradicting?

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Re: The Post-Modern Acts of God [Re: Mountain Man] #84724
02/02/07 04:38 PM
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vastergotland  Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
"... contradicting statements without further comment." What do you think is contradicting?
The general points that the article makes, and which you would have been aware of when reading it.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: The Post-Modern Acts of God [Re: vastergotland] #84725
02/02/07 04:41 PM
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vastergotland  Offline OP
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To illustrate, you start with saying "Our church has always worked on the "salt" model."

The next paragraph says "We are also counseled to call people out of the Babylonian churches into the safety and haven of the Remnant Church."

The secound quote tells me that you do not know/understand what Paulien meant by the salt model, nor it seems what Jesus might have meant with it. If you do know and meant the secound sentence quoted to critique the article, that should have been done in a clearer way.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: The Post-Modern Acts of God [Re: vastergotland] #84730
02/02/07 05:56 PM
02/02/07 05:56 PM
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Thomas, you did an outstanding job of summing up the article. Considering that English is not your first language, makes it even more impressive.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Post-Modern Acts of God [Re: Tom] #84732
02/02/07 07:04 PM
02/02/07 07:04 PM
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vastergotland  Offline OP
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Mike,

Ive realised Ive made a mistake. That you do not agree with the contents of the article doesnt nessessarily mean that my previous conclusions are true. Im sorry for that. Of course you are entitled to your own oppinion regarding these things.

Tom,

Its acctually not a summary of mine. I quoted a part of the article that I thought would be most likely to catch the attention of the netizens of the SDA Maritime forum.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: The Post-Modern Acts of God [Re: vastergotland] #84735
02/02/07 08:39 PM
02/02/07 08:39 PM
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Well, nice job quoting!


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Post-Modern Acts of God [Re: Tom] #84756
02/03/07 12:24 AM
02/03/07 12:24 AM
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Thomas, I believe mingling with worldings for the sake of leading them to Jesus is a worthy model. But it must be on Jesus' terms. I agree with Paul's counsel of concern. We need to be very careful in ministering to worldings that in the process they do not lead us away from Jesus.

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