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Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church? #88952
05/17/07 07:00 PM
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In this forum are listed the fundamental beliefs of the SDA Church, but nowhere have I yet been able to locate any listing of the pillars of our faith, therefore, is there a difference between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA Church and the Pillars of the SDA Church?


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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church? [Re: Daryl] #88964
05/18/07 03:42 PM
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I also asked this question in a group email list that I am a member of, where I received the following response:

-----beginning of slightly reformatted email-----

Usually, when people speak of the pillars of Adventism, they are referring to Ellen White's statement in Counsels to Writers and Editors, pp. 30-31:

"The passing of the time in 1844 was a period of great events, opening to our astonished eyes the cleansing of the sanctuary transpiring in heaven, and having decided relation to God's people upon the earth, [also] the first and second angels' messages and the third, unfurling the banner on which was inscribed, 'The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.' One of the landmarks under this message was the temple of God, seen by His truth-loving people in heaven, and the ark containing the law of God. The light of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment flashed its strong ways in the pathway of the transgressors of God's law. The nonimmortality of the wicked is an old landmark. I can call to mind nothing more that can come under the head of the old landmarks."

The landmarks, or pillars, here listed include:

1. The cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary.
2. The three angels' messages
3. The law of God
4. The seventh-day Sabbath
5. The nonimmortality of the soul

This entire chapter, titled, "The Foundations, Pillars, and Landmarks," deserves to be read carefully by all (CW 28-32).

The 28 Fundamental Beliefs, by contrast, is a larger summary of what Scripture teaches on a wider range of topics.

The above pillars, or landmarks, represent our more distinctive teachings which set us apart from other Christians.

-----end of slightly reformatted email-----


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church? [Re: Daryl] #88970
05/18/07 05:56 PM
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For those who want to compare these pillars with the 28 Fundamental Beliefs, click on the following link:

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church? [Re: Daryl] #88971
05/18/07 06:58 PM
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Here is what I discovered in comparing the pillars of our faith list to the 28 Fundamental Beliefs:

1 - The cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary = Fundamental Belief #24.
2 - The three angels' messages = Fundamental Belief #13.
3 - The law of God = Fundamental Belief #19.
4 - The seventh-day Sabbath = Fundamental Belief #20.
5 - The nonimmortality of the soul = Fundamental Belief #26.

According to this, contrary to the thoughts of some, I am happy to show the SDA Church is continuing to hold up the pillars of our faith, but that's really another topic.


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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church? [Re: Daryl] #88984
05/19/07 04:20 AM
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That was interesting. Thanks for sharing Daryl. \:\)

Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church? [Re: Daryl] #88985
05/19/07 04:35 AM
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I read the entire chapter as recommended above and I found some precious gems, especially as it pertains to those who call to "stand by the old landmarks" when they don't even now themselves what they are. This shows me that the many offshoots that exist today making such claims are nothing but all polish and no substance.
The crux of the issue is not to remove a peg of the landmarks and pillars of our faith which have been defined in black and white. Building on them as long as it does not contradict what has been established is fine.
God Bless & Happy Sabbath,
Will

Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church? [Re: Will] #88989
05/19/07 08:02 PM
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That, Will, is also what I say.


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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church? [Re: Daryl] #88990
05/19/07 08:14 PM
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I decided to quote below what Will already read:

-----beginning of quote-----

Chap. 3 - The Foundations, Pillars, and Landmarks


Early Workers to Speak.--God has given me light regarding our periodicals. What is it?--He has said that the dead are to speak. How?--Their works shall follow them. We are to repeat the words of the pioneers in our work, who knew what it cost to search for the truth as for hidden treasure, and who labored to lay the foundation of our work. They moved forward step by step under the influence of the Spirit of God. One by one these pioneers are passing away. The word given me is, Let that which these men have written in the past be reproduced. And in the Signs of the Times let not the articles be long or the print fine. Do not try to crowd everything into one number of the paper. Let the print be good, and let earnest, living experiences be put into the paper. {CW 28.1}

Not long ago I took up a copy of the Bible Echo. [THE BIBLE ECHO, SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS THE ECHO, WAS ISSUED IN AUSTRALIA IN 1885 AS A WEEKLY MISSIONARY PAPER. IN 1903 IT BECAME THE AUSTRALIAN SIGNS OF THE TIMES.] As I looked it through, I saw an article by Elder Haskell and one by Elder Corliss. As I laid the paper down, I said, These articles must be reproduced. There is truth and power in them. Men spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. {CW 28.2}

Let the truths that are the foundation of our faith be kept before the people. Some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. They talk science, and the enemy comes in and gives them an abundance of science; but it is not the science of salvation. It is not the science of humility, of consecration, or of the sanctification of the Spirit. We are now to understand what the pillars of our faith are,--the truths that have made us as a people what we are, leading us on step by step.-- Review and Herald, May 25, 1905. {CW 29.1}

The Message to Present.--Our lesson for the present time is, How may we most clearly comprehend and present the gospel that Christ came in person to present to John on the Isle of Patmos,-- the gospel that is termed "the revelation of Jesus Christ"? We are to present to our people a clear explanation of Revelation. We are to give them the word of God just as it is, with as few of our own explanations as possible. No one mind can do this work alone. Although we have in trust the grandest and most important truth ever presented to the world, we are only babes, as far as understanding truth in all its bearings is concerned. Christ is the great teacher, and that which He revealed to John, we are to tax our minds to understand and clearly to define. We are facing the most important issues that men have ever been called upon to meet. {CW 29.2}

The theme of greatest importance is the third angel's message, embracing the messages of the first and second angels. All should understand the truths contained in these messages and demonstrate them in daily life, for this is essential to salvation. We shall have to study earnestly, prayerfully, in order to understand these grand truths.--Letter 97, 1902. {CW 29.3}

The Landmarks Defined.--In Minneapolis God gave precious gems of truth to His people in new settings. This light from heaven by some was rejected with all the stubbornness the Jews manifested in rejecting Christ, and there was much talk about standing by the old landmarks. But there was evidence they knew not what the old landmarks were. There was evidence and there was reasoning from the word that commended itself to the conscience; but the minds of men were fixed, sealed against the entrance of light, because they had decided it was a dangerous error removing the "old landmarks" when it was not moving a peg of the old landmarks, but they had perverted ideas of what constituted the old landmarks. {CW 30.1}

The passing of the time in 1844 was a period of great events, opening to our astonished eyes the cleansing of the sanctuary transpiring in heaven, and having decided relation to God's people upon the earth, [also] the first and second angels' messages and the third, unfurling the banner on which was inscribed, "The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." One of the landmarks under this message was the temple of God, seen by His truth-loving people in heaven, and the ark containing the law of God. The light of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment flashed its strong rays in the pathway of the transgressors of God's law. The nonimmortality of the wicked is an old landmark. I can call to mind nothing more that can come under the head of the old landmarks. All this cry about changing the old landmarks is all imaginary. {CW 30.2}

Now at the present time God designs a new and fresh impetus shall be given to His work. Satan sees this, and he is determined it shall be hindered. He knows that if he can deceive the people who claim to believe present truth, [and make them believe that] the work the Lord designs to do for His people is a removing of the old landmarks, something which they should, with most determined zeal, resist, then he exults over the deception he has led them to believe. The work for this time has certainly been a surprising work of various hindrances, owing to the false setting of matters before the minds of many of our people. That which is food to the churches is regarded as dangerous, and should not be given them. And this slight difference of ideas is allowed to unsettle the faith, to cause apostasy, to break up unity, to sow discord, all because they do not know what they are striving about themselves. Brethren, is it not best to be sensible? Heaven is looking upon us all, and what can they think of recent developments? While in this condition of things, building up barriers, we not only deprive ourselves of great light and precious advantages, but just now, when we so much need it, we place ourselves where light cannot be communicated from heaven that we ought to communicate to others.--Manuscript 13, 1889. {CW 31.1}

Let Pioneers Identify Truth.--When the power of God testifies as to what is truth, that truth is to stand forever as the truth. No aftersuppositions, contrary to the light God has given are to be entertained. Men will arise with interpretations of Scripture which are to them truth, but which are not truth. The truth for this time, God has given us as a foundation for our faith. He Himself has taught us what is truth. One will arise, and still another, with new light which contradicts the light that God has given under the demonstration of His Holy Spirit. {CW 31.2}

A few are still alive who passed through the experience gained in the establishment of this truth. God has graciously spared their lives to repeat and repeat till the close of their lives, the experience through which they passed even as did John the apostle till the very close of his life. And the standard-bearers who have fallen in death, are to speak through the reprinting of their writings. I am instructed that thus their voices are to be heard. They are to bear their testimony as to what constitutes the truth for this time. {CW 32.1}

We are not to receive the words of those who come with a message that contradicts the special points of our faith. They gather together a mass of Scripture, and pile it as proof around their asserted theories. This has been done over and over again during the past fifty years. And while the Scriptures are God's word, and are to be respected, the application of them, if such application moves one pillar from the foundation that God has sustained these fifty years, is a great mistake. He who makes such an application knows not the wonderful demonstration of the Holy Spirit that gave power and force to the past messages that have come to the people of God.-- Preach the Word, p. 5. (1905.) {CW 32.2}

-----end of quote-----

Will,

Could you point out in the above quote what really spoke out to you about this?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church? [Re: Daryl] #88995
05/19/07 11:01 PM
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Though the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church seem to be in tune to each other, I can see why certain "independent ministries" have emerged over the years.

"Our Pulpits" as well as, "Our Publishing" seem to be lacking when it comes to presenting the "Pillars of the Faith".

I will admit to not receiving the Review, and only occasionally reading it online, or at my mothers. If I recall correctly, the last I knew, there are several versions of the publication, and you chose which version is for you. Do I have that correct?

Seems like they are trying to be to many thing to various people, and neglecting the past, the pioneer teaching of the "Landmarks of the Faith". Especially in light of some illumination shed in the article. The first paragraph:

 Quote:
God has given me light regarding our periodicals. What is it?--He has said that the dead are to speak. How?--Their works shall follow them. We are to repeat the words of the pioneers in our work, who knew what it cost to search for the truth as for hidden treasure, and who labored to lay the foundation of our work. They moved forward step by step under the influence of the Spirit of God. One by one these pioneers are passing away. The word given me is, Let that which these men have written in the past be reproduced. And in the Signs of the Times let not the articles be long or the print fine. Do not try to crowd everything into one number of the paper. Let the print be good, and let earnest, living experiences be put into the paper. {CW 28.1}

I can see why "independent ministries" are republishing the works of the "Pioneers" as there is neglect, of this from the SDA publishing house's.

I occasionally read from Our Firm Foundation as it shows up in the mail as a sample issue. I just checked it out online and looked at the Jan 2007 issue. The "headlines" are:

 Quote:
The Seventh-day Sabbath, Christ Our Righteousness, The Immutable Law of God,
The Non-Immortality of the Soul, The Three Angels’ Messages, and The Sanctuary.

How often do we even see one of this subjects addressed in the Review?

I have noted that the dead usually speak in one or two articles per issue, either Ellen or one of the other "Pioneers". In this particular issue that I have just looked over, I see an intriguing sub-heading, from a reprint article of Ellen's:

 Quote:
The Sabbath is the test of today, as Christ was the test when He was in our world.
It is the test of today, as Christ was the test when he was in our world in human form. It will ever stand unmoved, a rock of offense to the Christian world, as was Christ to the Jewish nation. As the rejection of Christ decided the eternal destiny of the Jews, so the rejection of God’s holy memorial will decide the fate of many professing Christians. "Words of Warning" - #2, pg. 7, Our Firm Foundation, Jan 2007, Vol. 22 #1. Taken from, RH, December 20, 1898.

This makes since to me as Jesus is our Sabbath rest.

Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church? [Re: crater] #88997
05/19/07 11:50 PM
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Daryl & Others,
I quoted basically the entire chapter in pieces, and highlighted the important areas that spoke very clearly to me. The entire paragraphs were included so we can understand the context in which I highlighted certain areas.

 Quote:

The Landmarks Defined.--In Minneapolis God gave precious gems of truth to His people in new settings. This light from heaven by some was rejected with all the stubbornness the Jews manifested in rejecting Christ, and there was much talk about standing by the old landmarks. But there was evidence they knew not what the old landmarks were. There was evidence and there was reasoning from the word that commended itself to the conscience; but the minds of men were fixed, sealed against the entrance of light, because they had decided it was a dangerous error removing the "old landmarks" when it was not moving a peg of the old landmarks, but they had perverted ideas of what constituted the old landmarks. {CW 30.1}



 Quote:

The passing of the time in 1844 was a period of great events, opening to our astonished eyes the cleansing of the sanctuary transpiring in heaven, and having decided relation to God's people upon the earth, [also] the first and second angels' messages and the third, unfurling the banner on which was inscribed, "The commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." One of the landmarks under this message was the temple of God, seen by His truth-loving people in heaven, and the ark containing the law of God. The light of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment flashed its strong rays in the pathway of the transgressors of God's law. The nonimmortality of the wicked is an old landmark. I can call to mind nothing more that can come under the head of the old landmarks. All this cry about changing the old landmarks is all imaginary. {CW 30.2}



 Quote:

Now at the present time God designs a new and fresh impetus shall be given to His work. Satan sees this, and he is determined it shall be hindered. He knows that if he can deceive the people who claim to believe present truth, [and make them believe that] the work the Lord designs to do for His people is a removing of the old landmarks, something which they should, with most determined zeal, resist, then he exults over the deception he has led them to believe. The work for this time has certainly been a surprising work of various hindrances, owing to the false setting of matters before the minds of many of our people. That which is food to the churches is regarded as dangerous, and should not be given them. And this slight difference of ideas is allowed to unsettle the faith, to cause apostasy, to break up unity, to sow discord, all because they do not know what they are striving about themselves. Brethren, is it not best to be sensible? Heaven is looking upon us all, and what can they think of recent developments? While in this condition of things, building up barriers, we not only deprive ourselves of great light and precious advantages, but just now, when we so much need it, we place ourselves where light cannot be communicated from heaven that we ought to communicate to others.--Manuscript 13, 1889. {CW 31.1}


 Quote:

Let Pioneers Identify Truth.--When the power of God testifies as to what is truth, that truth is to stand forever as the truth. No aftersuppositions, contrary to the light God has given are to be entertained. Men will arise with interpretations of Scripture which are to them truth, but which are not truth. The truth for this time, God has given us as a foundation for our faith. He Himself has taught us what is truth. One will arise, and still another, with new light which contradicts the light that God has given under the demonstration of His Holy Spirit. {CW 31.2}



 Quote:

We are not to receive the words of those who come with a message that contradicts the special points of our faith. They gather together a mass of Scripture, and pile it as proof around their asserted theories. This has been done over and over again during the past fifty years. And while the Scriptures are God's word, and are to be respected, the application of them, if such application moves one pillar from the foundation that God has sustained these fifty years, is a great mistake. He who makes such an application knows not the wonderful demonstration of the Holy Spirit that gave power and force to the past messages that have come to the people of God.-- Preach the Word, p. 5. (1905.) {CW 32.2}


God Bless & Happy Sabbath,
Will

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