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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church?
[Re: Colin]
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06/25/07 10:45 PM
06/25/07 10:45 PM
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It's my understanding that the pillars are what makes us unique as a church.
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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church?
[Re: Daryl]
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06/26/07 03:51 PM
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Yes, that at least is true. They're a unique doctrinal package for a unique experience, aren't they?
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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church?
[Re: Colin]
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06/29/07 01:52 PM
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Yes, which is why we need to bring them before the church more often than what is presently being done.
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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church?
[Re: Colin]
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04/05/09 07:30 AM
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The real issue I think you're upset about is that you think I'm saying the we saints save ourselves by character perfection apart from Jesus. No, it's not. My beef is with this statement about Jesus: "has to go through the trials of perfecting characters in us saints." The implication that Jesus had to go through the same process of perfecting character that we do is odious to me. Why? Because it means that He was spiritually dead at some point.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church?
[Re: asygo]
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04/08/09 04:59 PM
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Why does it necessitate such an implication? Jesus didn't have to sin to become sin for us. Nor did He have to sin to suffer and die on our behalf.
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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church?
[Re: Mountain Man]
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04/19/09 04:47 PM
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If Jesus "has to go through the trials of perfecting characters in us saints" then He had an imperfect, even evil, character at some point, just like the saints.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church?
[Re: asygo]
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04/25/09 10:57 PM
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SDA Minister's Manual .... P. 125 " So while we cannot expect a lot of fruit in the prebaptismal life of the candidate, neverless some fruit must be visible. Surely this fruit should include Sabbath keeping, church attendance, and refraining from the use of harmful substances." Are these the three pillars?
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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church?
[Re: I Am His]
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04/26/09 03:28 AM
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Christ, coming to the earth as man, lived a holy life, and developed a perfect character. (DA 762)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church?
[Re: Daryl]
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04/26/09 11:43 PM
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I posted the following on page 1 of this thread:Here is what I discovered in comparing the pillars of our faith list to the 28 Fundamental Beliefs:
1 - The cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary = Fundamental Belief #24.
2 - The three angels' messages = Fundamental Belief #13.
3 - The law of God = Fundamental Belief #19.
4 - The seventh-day Sabbath = Fundamental Belief #20.
5 - The nonimmortality of the soul = Fundamental Belief #26.
According to this, contrary to the thoughts of some, I am happy to show the SDA Church is continuing to hold up the pillars of our faith, but that's really another topic.
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Re: Is There a Difference Between the 28 Fundamental Beliefs & The Pillars of the SDA Church?
[Re: asygo]
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04/29/09 04:25 PM
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M: Why does it necessitate such an implication? Jesus didn't have to sin to become sin for us. Nor did He have to sin to suffer and die on our behalf.
A: If Jesus "has to go through the trials of perfecting characters in us saints" then He had an imperfect, even evil, character at some point, just like the saints. "Perfecting holiness" (2 Cor 7:1) does not require starting off with sinful traits of character. Believers begin, as it were, at rebirth where Jesus began at birth. Paul makes this point in the following passage: Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. Ellen White wrote the following: Unless there is a possibility of yielding, temptation is no temptation. Temptation is resisted when man is powerfully influenced to do a wrong action; and, knowing that he can do it, resists, by faith, with a firm hold upon divine power. This was the ordeal through which Christ passed. (3SM 132) God takes men upon trial; He proves them on the right hand and on the left, and thus they are educated, trained, disciplined. Jesus, our Redeemer, man’s representative and head, endured this testing process. (4T 86)
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