The Minds of God's Messengers

Activator wrote, "No weapons formed against those who trust the Word and the Testimonies implicitly shall prosper!"

Hmmmmm that's an interesting twist on that text... How about no weapons formed against those who trust God shall prosper...

Darius: Christians are to minister or to speak with the ability which God supplies! "Our sufficiency is of God." 2 Cor.4:7.

Steve: To the law and to the Testimony. If they do not speak according to this word, there is no light in them.

To believe God means to believe the Scriptures and the prophets through whom He speaks.

The difference between Martin Luther and Ellen White is simple. One was used of God but not as a prophet, the other was used of God but as a prophet. Their offices were different, God's object in using them different. The counsel of one prophetically inspired is guarded by the Holy Spirit in a manner in which the counsel of the non-prophet is not. Therefore to compare the work of Luther to White is to compare different categories, apples to oranges. God's purpose is manifest as God designs.

My face is completely straight. Your doctrine, om the other hand, in my opinion, is such that it undermines the teachings for which this church stands. Your belittling of the work of God's prophets is disheartening. I find it most difficult to conceive of you as a Seventh-day Adventist, based upon the way in which you have presented yourself on these boards for so long.

Your teachings, in my opinion, are of a nature that is destructive. You judge the word that God has spoken to us through His prophets. You set one inspired statement against another and then declare inspired statement B to be uninspired because it does not meet your measure of inspired statement A. readers of this forum should be aware that in my opinion, your ideas, expressed on this forum on so many occasions, are those of a fringe-group of liberals. Ideas similar to or identical to your own have been expressed by some in our church who are bent upon destroying that which God has built up. Let the reader beware, and evaluate the Seventh-day Adventist Church and the third angel's message on its own merits and not on the basis of critics who speak words without knowledge. (my comment is restricted to the written, expressed ideas of Darius JDPhD, and is not meant as any reflection upon his person). Be warned darius, when you set one prophetic statement against another and then in your human reasoning use one statement to invalidate the other, you are engaged in using words without knowledge (Job 38:2), and I would not be kind to you if I failed to tell you so.

Incidentally, the EGW critics have been losing considerable ground in recent years. It may have been in vogue a few years ago to publish criticisms of EGW on the net, but that has not had any great impact. The truth goes marching on. "Others rashly denied the light behind them and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out, leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and lost sight of the mark and of Jesus, and fell off the path down into the dark and wicked world below" Ellen G. White, Early Writings p. 14). I may warn you from a pastoral standpoint, recover yourself. But whatever you do, why not withhold your ramblings and discontents and doubts and keep them to yourself so that others are not misled by your spirit? You are somewhere on your own journey, if indeed you have not already fallen wholly off the path. Why thrash and spin and chatter?

The tendency to demonize when the argument is lost is of long standing. You may be able to convince those who think like you that I am an EGW critic, but that should bring you little comfort. God demands that you be always ready to give a reason. Trying to get out of the requirement to use reason by appealing to authority is unavailing.

I gave my opinion. I gave my basis. Your posts are available for anyone who wants to sort through them. They can make their own evaluation. What I did was for the board. I showed their was a dissenting opinion. In some places, I have pointed out some of your problems. I am disinclined to react to all of your claims concerning my reasoning powers or my conclusions. I see what you are by the words of your posts. This is sufficient for me. Out there on the internet horizon all of us from time to time meet poersons that are misguided stones rolling through the darkness of their own night, endeavoring to spread that darkness to others. My prayer for you is that such would not be your experience or the experience of those with whom you bring your brain into contact. Others are journeying into the kingdom and far be it from thee to take away the key of knowledge and restrict others who are coming. May God have mercy upon you.

Darius, do you believe God used the mind and mouth of Paul to declare the truth as it is in Jesus? and what about Moses, David, Isaiah and Daniel, etc? Sadly, I already know what you believe about Sister White.

You strongly advocate and argue ideas that contradict certain inspired authors, and to support your ideas you say that they simply got it wrong, and then to defend their office and calling you say all manner of things to excuse their confused conclusions.

Darius, when we're talking about the Bible we're talking about the word of God. Here's what the Bible says about the word of God:

Proverbs
30:5 Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Mark
7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Luke
4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

2 Peter
1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

Acts
4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
18:11 And he continued [there] a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.
19:20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.

Romans
10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

1 Corinthians
14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

2 Corinthians
2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

Colossains
1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
1:26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
1:27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

1 Thessalonians
2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received [it] not [as] the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Hebrews
4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of [their] conversation.

1 Peter
1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The Bible contains the word of God. Thank you Jesus!