Knowing Beyond a Doubt When Judgment Day Has Arrived

Here's an inspired waymark statement for all of us to contemplate:


Here are the three most likely texts from Revelation that Ellen White references above. It would be helpful for us to look at their surrounding contexts. What is inspiration trying to tell us?

"Voices and thunderings, and lightnings and earthquakes, and universal desolation" is one group of signs or physical events inspiration tells us to look for on judgment day. After writing the above, a short time later that year, 1889, Ellen White also wrote about what to expect in terms of the revelations of the characters of men. Notice the synchronization of the opening of the books of record with the opening of the characters of all. The solemn picture we have been given here is of a day when our characters will be read not only by angels but by men as well like an open book. Only those who are clothed in the righteousness of Christ will have their nakedness covered.

As I understand it, this event is somewhat before the second coming. It is the final, most solemn phase of the investigative judgment, the judgment of the living. That phase is ongoing for the church because as the apostle says, "Judgement begins with the household of God", but at the end we're told that "God will bring every work into judgment [the works of both believers and unbelievers], with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil". Eccl 12:14.

Any thoughts or comments?

Those who we thought were saved but end up being lost will obviously be revealed why they ended up being lost in that all their sins will be revealed to the saved during the thousand years in heaven.

I guess it won't really matter to those who are lost as their thoughts will have perished for all eternity and won't be around to be embarrassed for having their secret sins revealed.

You're right that I misapplied that quote about all our deeds being exposed at the judgment. EGW is describing the post millennial judgment not the judgment of the living. I realized that after posting it but left it because I wanted to see if anyone would object and because it is true that the hearts of all will also be revealed in the judgment of the living by the choices each person makes in taking the mark of the beast or in receiving the seal of God. But you're right that the motives and secret sins won't be revealed then.

But regarding the millennial judgment Adventists believe that every person who has ever lived will be alive at the end of the millennium to receive their final reward. Each one of us will face the unerring record of God. If our sins have not been purged before this by the blood of Christ we will certainly meet every one of them exactly as we did them in the judgment and not only will we meet them but everyone else will be shown them as well.

We cannot possibly know when Judgment Day has arrived (And most people don't want to know if we could know.)
My studies show that the Investigative Judgment for the dead that began 22 October 1844 ended 22 February 1928.
The papacy that died in 1798 remained dead for that hour based on a 1000 year day.
Very few people gave that a second look.

My studies show that the Investigative Judgment for the living that began 14 October 1929 ended 14 February 2013.
Mussolini revived the papacy in 1929 and it was alive from the day of atonement 14 Oct 1929 for that hour based on a 1000-year day
Very few people gave that a second look.

Jesus said as it was in the Days of Noah so it will be in the endtime.
Noah made the ark ready for 120-years.
We rejected righteousness by faith in 1888, soon to be 132 years.
Noah went into the ark for 7 days (a day in prophecy is a year)
from the 14 February 2013 end of the Judgment of the living, it will soon be 7 years
Very few people gave that a second look.

There are things that we just do not understand.
But we do know that the last events will be rapid ones.
The proclamation of the 3rd Angel's message will not be done by everyone who accepted the first and second Angels' messages
and the Mark of the beast will deceive those who are unaware of the danger
whether the timing takes them by surprise
or the way it is presented
or the endtime players that bring the deception about

But we do know that judgment begins at the House of God
It begins with the elderly
That the parable of the 10 virgins has half the church being lost
That Laodicea has a remnant that will be saved
And when everything is settled, everyone will KNOW
They were saved by Jesus
or they were lost because of their stubbornness

We do well to study what the Lord has been gracious to reveal in His word
and to leave the other in His providence

HC, you're teaching we're in the same situation as Noah after the door was shut and probation closed for humanity on Valentines Day, 2013. Based on a day for a year, you're teaching that no great global calamity will strike until Valentines Day 2020 or the day after right? You don't see any problem with these ideas though. That's unfortunate.

Someone should check how many days are between those dates.
I got 30439 days or 83 years.

My observation was that the time allotted for the Judgment of the living has ended 14 February 2013.
Thus we are in the final sealing time that will culminate with the Mark of the Beast.

as it was in the days of Noah, he went into the ark for 7 days.
When the 7 days were ended, the flood came.

The 7 years from 14 February 2013 are about to end.
Should we not expect the National Sunday Law to come soon?

To read any more into my comment is to add what I did not say or teach.

The principle of First Mention indicates that
The Judgment of Adam was not based on literal time.

God warned him "In the day that you eat of it you will die"
Genesis cites literal time in the creation story.
Adam did not die in literal time

The Judgment of Adam was not based on a day for a year (Ezekiel 4:6).
Adam did not die in the year that he ate of the forbidden fruit.

The Judgment of Adam was based on millennial time.
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years,
and a thousand years as one day" (2 Peter 3:8)
"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died" (Genesis 5:5.)

Adam's judgment was based on millennial time.
So how long is a judgment hour based on millennial time?
" Are there not twelve hours in the day?" (John 11:9).

1000 year day divided by 12 hours = 83 years 4 months

Check the math.
"judgment must begin at the house of God" (1 Peter 4:17)
Christ started the Christian Church when Israel forsook Him.
The gospel went to Rome "I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also" (romans 1:15)
The church at Rome (House of God) became the dead church in 1798.

"And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;
These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars;
I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead" (Revelation 3:1)

The dead Roman church (House of God) that died in 1798 was still dead on 22 October 1844.
"Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" (Daniel 8:14)
"Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come" (Revelation 14:7)

Judgment Hour of the dead from 22 October 1844 to 22 February 1928 (83 years 4 months)
The Church of Rome was dead for the entire hour.

Mussolini began reviving the Roman Church in Feb 1929 thru June 1929.
The Day of Atonement came on 14 October 1929 at which time the Roman Church was alive again
The judgment hour (83 years 4 months) of the Living Roman Church was from 14 October 1929 to 14 February 2013

The First beast in Rev 13 (papal beast that was healed in 1929) had 7 popes (heads)
Pius XI & XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I & II, And Benedict XVI
Pope Benedict XVI resigned February 2013
at which time the solo papacy that Mussolini established ended
There are now 2 living popes as ancient Babylon had 2 kings reigning together just before it fell

The 83 year 4 month Judgment Hour of the Living papacy aligns with 14 October 1929 to 14 February 2013

We are in the final sealing time
The 7 years of the sealing time will end soon
As Noah was in the ark 7 days and then the flood came
The 7 years of the sealing tie will end when the National Sunday Law is in force

My study indicates 2 April 2020, but I am continuing to study

The Judgment hours of the dead and living based on a millennial hour
have aligned with the dead papacy and the living papacy

It is time to get serious about our walk with God

The final events will be rapid ones.

His Child,

Your post violates our forum rules against date setting. Furthermore, it violates history. Rome received its fatal wound, not in 1844, but in 1798. You are well off in your dates, and are in great need of someone setting you straight.

Daryl, if nothing happens on April 2, 2020, should His Child be banned from the forum for having acted the part of a false prophet? In actual fact, he has already been a false prophet on multiple counts here in the past, but the fact is that he now also violates our forum rules in setting dates like this, if it were not already violation enough of Ellen White's counsel against all such. He hasn't had the sense to learn from past mistakes, and has not repented of them, but continues making the same mistake of setting time after time.

Selah,

Green Cochoa.

For reference:

Dear sister Green,

If you will be so kind as to comment about what I wrote and not what you think I wrote, we could reason together.
you should have seen that I agree with you that Rome received its wound in 1798 (I said as much).
After having been wounded it CONTINUED TO BE the DEAD CHURCH thru 22 October 1844 and beyond.

It is a historical fact the DEAD CHURCH was dead for 83 years 4 months from 22 October 1844 to 22 February 1928
It is a historical fact the REVIVED CHURCH was alive for 83 years 4 months from 14 October 1929 to 14 February 2013
(that is not date setting it is a historical review)
To examine the wonder about the significance of the Judgment Hours of the Dead and living
is not date setting. I AM ASKING IS THIS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD CONCERN US?

The principle of first mention establishes a millennial Judgment Day for Adam in Genesis
a day with the Lord is as 1000-years
Adam died in his Judgment Day at 930 years old
The Day of Atonement services in ancient Israel took place in the Daylight hours
Jesus said there were 12 daylight hours in a day
and the math shows that 1/12 of a daylight day is 83 years 4 months
And the judgment of the dead and living RCC align with two periods of 83 years 4 months each respectively

I am sorry that the facts do not align with you obsolete ideas.
We are counseled to follow the light.
If we do not follow the light and stand still
The light will move away from us and we will be left in darkness
That happened when Jesus moved to the Most holy Place
And Satan sat in the Holy Place while people were worshiping where Christ had left

If you are successful in putting out the light
You will be turning people form truth
Freedom of speech is doomed, if you get your way

But perhaps freedom of speech is not important here?
There is much to do made about how it is being repressed in Canada.
Is it possible to lament how people are taking away our fundamental rights
while we see no problem with doing that very thing to others who have different views?

If I have misspoken or presented facts into evidence that are erroneous: SHOW ME.

Christian regards
Hch

His Child,

1) You are only "His child" if you obey His commandments. That is what He says.
2) You are date setting by specifying ANY date post-1844 of prophetic significance.
3) My "obsolete" ideas are those of Ellen White. If she does not please you, perhaps you will find little solace here.
4) You said:



So, if the "dead Roman church" was ever the "House of God", it seems we already have a major oxymoron. I do not happen to agree with your modern, newfangled, Catholic-leaning "facts." The papacy has NEVER been the house of God. Sorry about that.

Furthermore, if it "died" in February 1798, its "dead hour" per your millennial formula would have extended to June 1881, NOT 1929. Recheck your math. It's wrong no matter how you figure it, because there WILL BE NO TIME PROPHECY UPON DEFINITE TIME AFTER 1844. PERIOD. But your math doesn't even make sense. Which is why I referenced your mistake relative to 1844 beginning said "hour." You still claim:

I see quite clearly, however, that you cannot even agree with yourself, nor understand what you yourself have said and are saying. Not only are you saying "one hour" and then actually doing math with more than 2.5 millennial hours (1798-2013), but also you are not reasoning properly, nor handling the Word of God correctly.

Your "facts" simply do not line up. They never will, so long as you reject the plain counsels of God given us by the pen of inspiration.

I'm sorry you are taking the path that you are. I encourage you to do a little reflection, and please consider repenting of this course. Until you do, it is my duty to help you and others by reducing the spread of your errors insofar as possible. If that means refuting them, so be it. Better yet would be to prevent them from making public appearance here on this forum, lest they lead many others astray. You have been proven a false prophet on multiple occasions here already. I hope you do not continue to deceive yourself and others.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

And that will be manifest at Christ's Coming when the final test has been passed or failed
thus we must encourage each other to be faithful until then.



When EGW stated that the 42 months in Revelation 13 would surely take place, she wrote that after 1844, but before Christ's Advent. But you say that she said that there is not prophetic time after 1844. So you are saying that she is contradicting herself. The only one who benefits from twisting EGW to say that all time prophecy ended in 1844 instead of what she actually meant that "prophetic time giving the day and hour of Christ's coming has ended" is the devil. God warns us that "for lack of knowledge, My people are destroyed." If the devil can keep the lie about time prophecies front and center, he can keep knowledge from us and guide us to perdition.




Since you have presented evidence that shows that you have chosen to believe that EGW is contradicting herself, how can we find solace in the obsolete positions that you put forth that you claim are Ellen White's positions?







To be sure that I understand you correctly
Is it your position that the Church of Rome was NEVER part of God's true church?
You are saying that the church of Rome NEVER HAD ANY TRUTH from which it fell away or died?
Are you also claiming that the RCC has never taken upon itself the name of God? or claimed to be God's true church?
Again you are contradicting Ellen White, who clearly said:





Green, you are floundering in you effort to destroy truth. Thus, you are twisting facts to suit your bias.

The Roman Church received its deadly wound (Rev 13) in 1798.







It is a fact the dead church did not get judged until the Judgment Hour of the Dead began 22 October 1844.
It is a fact that the Roman church died in 1798 and it remained dead until the Judgment Hour of the Dead began
And it is a fact that the dead Roman Church remained dead through out the entire judgment hour of 83 years 4 months
God established in Daniel 8:14 and Revelation 14:7 when the Judgment Hour was to begin
and it has duration (1/12 of 1000 years) which is set forth in the millennial Judgment of Adam
The Daylight judgment services on Yom Kippur
And Christ's statement about 12 hours in a day




Your straw man argument is not worthy of comment.
You fail to believe truth and substitute a lie in its place.
This blatant bearing of false witness needs to be repented of and turned from without delay.



Those who take the time to read my presentation and your twisted response will agree "Your "facts" simply do not line up. They never will, so long as you reject the plain counsels of God given us by the pen of inspiration."



Diddo! When Jeremiah spoke truth to the saints in Jerusalem, the false prophet (Hananiah) preached a pleasing message to the people that did a mighty work. While the controversy raged, it was difficult to discern which message was from God. Now, we know.

Christian regards
His child henry

kland,

His Child cannot know when the investigative judgment began for the living, for this has not been revealed to mortals, nor even to angels. See Matthew 24:36 and Mark 13:32--those BOTH refer to the judgment hour, i.e. probation's close. Once we have been judged, our probation has closed.

Mrs. White says:



Unfortunately, His Child has already entered the path of rejecting and wresting Ellen White's writings as best suits his purpose. If Satan himself, who has the Bible memorized and who watches these events keenly--and there's no doubt he knows Ellen White's writings, too--does not know when probation has closed, it is a sure thing that His Child does not, nor will.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Why do you choose 1000 instead of 360? Why not 7 times? Or 3 days, or 7 years of plenty followed by 7 years of famine? Or 130 Years of pilgrimage? Or 290 days?

2 Samuel 24:8 So when they had gone through all the land, they came to Jerusalem at the end of nine months and twenty days.

Genesis 50:3 And forty days were fulfilled for him; for so are fulfilled the days of those which are embalmed: and the Egyptians mourned for him threescore and ten days.

What about using 40?

Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter the city on the first day's walk. Then he cried out and said, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!"

Or 30?

Deut 34:8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.


Any of those and more could be "justified" for using. How does one randomly pick a number out of context and force the square peg into a round hole of their choosing?

Imagine how one does this. Wept for 30 days. 2020-30 = 1990. Look back at 1990 for some event that one could claim the weeping began. Presto! Wikipedia to the rescue. "The Gulf War (2 August 1990 ? 28 February 1991), codenamed Operation Desert Shield". That's a reason for weeping. Weeping will be over Aug 2, 2020. We have a prophecy!
(I did not choose 30 days specifically by knowing that previously until I grabbed the square peg and only then looked for the round hole. That was actually kind of fun, kind of satisfying in a way. You can pick any date, any time period, and make it sound good. Nostradamus like. Maybe it's addicting.)

Is it because it fits in with a privately chosen event on a privately chosen date?

(The sad state of things, Henry may likely seize upon these arbitrary random and non-relevant trivia and run where he wasn't sent)

Kland,

Your post comes across as an attempt to muddy the water and sow doubt more than anything.
The Principle of FIRST MENTION is at work.
Where was a day first mentioned? Genesis
Where was Judgment first mentioned? Genesis

When God told Adam that Adam would die in the day he ate of the fruit
God linked Adam's Judgment to a specific length of time!

Adam's Judgment was not linked to literal time or a day for a year time
Adam's judgment was linked to millennial time (a day is 1000 years in God's sight)
Adam died at 930 years old within the first 1000 years from creation.
Adam's death had nothing to do with all the speculative wonderings that you tossed about.

Since Adam's judgment was linked to 1000 years (millennial time)
Is a Judgment Hour linked to millennial time as well?
The Day of Atonement services were linked to the DAYLIGHT HOURS
Christ said there are 12 DAYLIGHT hours in a day.
1/12 of a 1000 year day is 83 years 4 months.

Is there any evidence that an 83 year 4 month Judgment Hour fits Bible prophecy?
Yes!
Judgment begins at the House of God.
The RCC claims to be God's Church.
the Judgment Hour of the dead began on 22 October 1844
What was the condition of the RCC on 22 October 1844: IT WAS DEAD
Was it dead for the entire Judgment Hour of the dead thru 22 February 1928? YES

"By their fulfillment Daniel and Revelation will explain themselves!"
Does the 83 year 4 month Judgment Hour of the dead RCC align with prophecy? YES!

Then comes a tarrying time in which the Deadly wound is healed
from 22 February 1928 to June 1929
in which Mussolini healed the RCC via the Lateran Treaty.
It happened and I had nothing to do with it!
Then came the 14 October 1929 Day of Atonement.

Did you bother to look up when the Day of Atonement came in 1929
before you implied that I picked a date from thin air and ran with it?



How does the living RCC compare to the 83 year 4 month Judgment Hour of the living
The RCC had exactly 7 popes from 14 October 1929 thru 14 February 2013
NO MORE NO LESS THAN 7 as the beast in Rev 13:1-10 has 7 heads
All of the popes for that prophetic hour were one pope at a time kings of the papacy
When the prophetic millennial judgment hour ended
the papacy had 2 living popes as ancient Babylon had 2 kings on the eve of its fall

So muddy the water as you will. God is not a liar.
His word will not return to Him void and the wise will understand!

The "Principle of FIRST MENTION" says in Genesis 1, that a day is a day (24 hours), from evening to evening.

"So muddy the water as you will. God is not a liar."



"all the speculative wonderings that you tossed about."

I did not disagree with a day being a 24 hour period of time; I examined it because it does not fit Adam's judgment.

God said :"in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" Genesis 2:17

Ge 5:5 "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."

Adam did not die in the "day" (24 hour period) that he ate the fruit.

The Bible clearly states that "Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."

2Pe 3:8 " But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

Adam's 930 years were within God's first 1000 day. Adam died at 930 years old according to the Bible.

God told Adam when he would die, and Adam died when God said within the 1000 year day at 930 years old.

Adam's judgment was according to God's millennial clock.

Since you cannot twist God's word to your liking you attack the messenger?

I had only requoted what you had said towards me.
So was that what you were doing, "attacking" me?

So we conclude, always use "Principle of FIRST MENTION", unless it doesn't fit with what we're trying to construe.

I believe that is the point I've been trying to get across.

Not the first mention. Nothing to do with Adam's judgment.

Another example other than yours:
The weeping will be over Aug 2, 2020.

Are you saying that when the principle of First mention helps us to understand Bible prophecy, that it is wrong to use it?

As I understand the principle of First Mention. When studying a topic see where it is first mentioned in the Bible and how successive Bible Writers add to its knowledge base.

Time is first mentioned in Genesis. Ezekiel adds that literal time can be prophetic as a day can be a prophetic year. Then David and Peter reveal that a day is as 1000 years with God or a 1000 years can be a day. That in turn teaches that time can be viewed from either direction, i.e., if a day is a year, then a year can be a day (Daniel states as much when he states that the end of the years were ?the end of the days?)

Likewise, to learn about judgment time: The first mention of judgment is in Genesis. Adam was judged for his disobedience. The verdict was that in the day he was to eat of the forbidden fruit, he was to die. He did die. The Bible says that Adam died at 930 years old. It was not talking of his spiritual death or some abstract idea about what happened to him within the 24 hour period in which he ate the fruit. It was talking about his literal death that followed his disobedience. Adam?s death was within the parameters of the day being a 1000 year period of time.

Thus from the First Mention of time and Judgment in Genesis, we know that a Judgment Hour is based on a 1000 year day. We can also see that the Day of Atonement model explains the investigative judgment process. The Day of Atonement services were all preformed during the daylight hours. Jesus teaches that there are 12 daylight hours in a day. The math is simple: 1/12 of a 1000 year/day is 83 years 4 months.

Judgment begins at the House of God according to Peter. When the Judgment Hour of the dead began, it had to begin at the dead church. First Mention in Revelation 3 reveals that a church was dead. Revelation 13 builds on that by saying that the papal church received a deadly wound.

Then compare history to prophecy fulfilled. The church that was dead, was dead for 83 years 4 months. There was a tarrying time after the Judgment Hour of the dead ended, in which the Dead Church was revived by the Lateran Treaty. Then when the RCC was alive, the Judgment of the living church could begin on the day of atonement as it had done for the dead church. When the RCC was alive, the Day of Atonement came on 14 October 1929. The 83 year 4 month Judgment of the living was from 14 October 1929 thru 14 February 2013, which aligns perfectly with the RCC.

When the hour allotted for the one pope at a time papacy ended, it became a 2 pope papacy. First mention teaches that when Babylon fell to Cyrus the Great, it was a 2 king kingdom that fell while it was having an orgy. When Revelation reveals the final fall of Babylon, it is a two pope papacy that is embroiled in a priest fornication scandal.

Pope Benedict resigned because of the sex scandal. Pope Francis has tried to clean up the mess. He has admitted that priests have had gay sex with minors, used nuns as sex slaves, and admitted that this lifestyle has permeated the papal hierarchy.

Thus, from the principle of First Mention, we can understand time (days and hours), judgment, fornication, 2 kings in Babylon (2 popes in spiritual Babylon), and the fall of Babylon, etc.

But if we learn an inconvenient truth that God has sealed until the endtime when He ordains that it should be revealed,
are you not saying: explain it away, ignore it, fault the methodology, or fault the messenger, etc.?

I'm saying it's wrong to use First mention when if fits with our opinions, and to conveniently cast it aside when it doesn't.



The weeping will be over Aug 2, 2020.

Are you saying that it is wrong to use a screwdriver from our toolbox when we are trying to wind in a screw?
Are you proposing that we use a hammier instead? (maybe it might work, but it also damages the inclining thread)

How do you know which tool is the best tool for the job unless you know something about the tools?
Or you study the problem and try different methodologies?

The principle of first mention fits the problem:
length of prophetic hour, correlation to Adam's judgment hour, and historical alignment times 2 for judgment of dead and living!
In spite of the correlations noted above between first mention and these items,
what do you have in your tool box that's fits better?
Or are you suggesting that the hammer is the only tool in the toolbox and it works for everything?

And if first mention doesn't fit any better than a hammer, wouldn't using it be like trying to unwind a bolt with a hammer?

Ahh. you are setting a date in Aug 2020. What do suppose is happing then?

Interesting analogy. Not sure it helps you.

--Pick and choose the tool to accomplish your purpose--

Isn't that what I've been objecting to, rather than using a tool intended and designed for the situation?

When one studies to show themselves approved of God there are often those who find fault with the message, the messenger, the application, or something else. This counsel is insightful.