Who is the beast of Rev. 11:7 ?

Revelation 11:3 And I will give strength unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.


Who is this beast?

We see several beasts in Revelation that have been identified.
1. There's the seven headed red dragon who is that old serpent the devil.
2. There's a seven headed beast in Rev. 13 which looks like a combination of Daniel 7's beasts. It's usually identified as the Roman Papacy.
3. There's the earth beast in Rev. 13 with lamb like horns and a tongue like the dragon. He comes on the scene later than the seven headed beast. It's usually identified as the United States.
4. There's another seven headed scarlet beast in Rev. 17, that was, is not, and ascends out of the bottomless pit, and carries the harlot Babylon. That beast is usually identified as the political power of the Roman papacy.

But who is this beast in Rev. 11:7 ?

Some will say it's THE beast of Rev. 13 -- Roman Papacy.
But how can that be right, since this beast ascends at the end of the 1260 years when the witnesses are finishing their testimony. The Papal beast is receiving it's fatal wound at that point in time.

According the Great Controversy 269

The context is the French Revolution. So would this beast be just an evil manifestation limited to the French Revolution?

Or are their other indications and connections to identify this beast?
He is rarely mentioned in commentaries which tend to gloss over his mention and just focus on the war against scripture.

One of the major characteristics of the French Revolution, as is the case with communism in general, is an atheistic system that places the ruling party in the place of God. If Jesus is our solid Rock, the foundation upon which we build our house, then a system with no foundation that ?ascends out of the bottomless pit?, would quite possibly be atheism or the worship of the Goddess of Reason. If this is the case, the beast of Revelation 11 is still very active.

I agree the beast in Revelation11 is an atheistic system. It was very involved in the French Revolution. The Bible pictures it as ascending out of the bottomless pit and killing the two witnesses (Old and New Testament)

. The other beasts we usually talk about in Revelation 13 are apostate Christian powers.
The Roman papal beast, and the second American (at first proclaiming liberty and freedom of religion) but turning into a controlling, persecuting beast imitating the Roman papal beast.

The first beast in Rev. 13 suppressed the Bible.

But the beast in Revelation 11 isn't interested in the Bible or God.
This beast killed (at least tried to kill) the Bible, but God's Word came to life again after 3 1/2 years.

Some, who have studied the various revolutions that shook the world around the close of the 1260 years have been looking for a common thread between them and found that thread to be secret societies.

History shows that Freemasonry is inseparable linked with the French revolution (as well as the American and European revolutions of the 1700s and 1800s).
The slogans were "liberty, equality, virtue, and morality.".

France exhibited what happens when a nation throws out God and His Word. Liberty, equality, virtue and morality, went out as well. A reign of terror took hold. What started out looking like a noble fight for liberty equality and virtue soon turned into a mad and blood thirsty scene.

The interesting thing is that freemasonry leaders were also very much involved in the American revolution which also fought for Liberty, equality and virtue. George Washington was a mason and there were masonic rituals connected with setting up the liberated government of the US. However, the Bible and God still held considerable influence in America. Thus America prospered, due to its strong Protestant leanings. But what happens when Protestantism is declared dead????

Again we see illustrated that claims of liberty and equality, though great concepts when linked with true Christian ideals, yet when divorced from these ideals they lead into disaster.

?When they shall have finished [are finishing] their testimony.? The period when the two witnesses were to prophesy clothed in sackcloth ended in 1798. As they were approaching the termination of their work in obscurity, war was to be made upon them by the power represented as ?the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit.? In many of the nations of Europe the powers that ruled in Church and State had for centuries been controlled by Satan, through the medium of the papacy. But here is brought to view a new manifestation of Satanic power. {GC88 268.3}

It had been Rome's policy, under a profession of reverence for the Bible, to keep it locked up in an unknown tongue, and hidden away from the people. Under her rule the witnesses prophesied, ?clothed in sackcloth.? But another power?the beast from the bottomless pit?was to arise to make open, avowed war upon the Word of God. {GC88 269.1}

According to the words of the prophet, then, a little before the year 1798 some power of Satanic origin and character would rise to make war upon the Bible. And in the land where the testimony of God's two witnesses should thus be silenced, there would be manifest the atheism of the Pharaoh, and the licentiousness of Sodom. {GC88 269.3}

?The beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.? The atheistical power that ruled in France during the Revolution and the reign of terror, did wage such a war upon the Bible as the world had never witnessed (GC88 273)

In France arose an atheistical power that openly declared war against the authority of Heaven.

A power from beneath is working to bring about the last great scenes in the drama,--Satan coming as Christ, and working with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in those who are binding themselves together in secret societies. Those who are yielding to the passion for confederation are working out the plans of the enemy. The cause will be followed by the effect. 8T 28 {Ev 622.2}

What can we learn from the above quotes concerning this particular beast.

1. New manifestation of Satanic power
2. Makes open avowed war on Bible
3. Atheistic and licentious
4, Basically destroys (Kills) the Bible
5. Comes up from the bottomless pit
6. Manifests itself in France during the French Revolution


There is only one other mention of a beast coming up from a bottomless pit.
That's in Revelation 17. The beast the woman Babylon rides.

Is there any connection -- or is it just that both receive their power "from beneath"?


Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Seems no one is willing to address the above question.

So let's explore this mystery beast of Revelation eleven, a little further.
Some think this beast is France since EGW writes considerably on the verses in Rev. 11, depicting the French Revolution, and this beast comes up from the bottomless pit during the French Revolution.

But remember, France was the "first son" of the Catholic Church, as in 508, Clovis, the king of the Franks at that time, converted to Catholicism and used his armies to enforce the papal religion on the multitudes. For 1290 years France had been huge supporter of the Papacy. The Bartholomew Massacre had been at the papal request and celebrated with sadistic glee by papal leaders.
France marked the beginning of the 1290 years by offering their support to the papal system in 508 AD, and France marked the temporary end of the papal power at the end of the 1290 (and 1260) years, by inflicting it's wounding.

In the late 1700's this nation that was so zealous in supporting the papacy, swung violently to the opposite side. There was a revolution against the monarch, and the papal system. Sort of a shaking off all powerful restrainers and declaring freedom, liberty and equality. That revolution, while it didn't succeed in destroying Christianity (Christianity actually grew much stronger following the revolution) it had a profound effect on the whole world~
The beast cannot just symbolize an idea, doctrine, or theory of social organization, such as atheism or communism, but must represent a political entity with an identifiable ruling power,
And somehow, France just doesn't seem to fit, it seems bigger than France. The beast manifested itself in France, but that's different from being France.

One author suggests:

5 & 6 The Angel & Identifying the Beast From the Bottomless Pit

This beast is a new manifestation of Satanic power, distinct from the power that ruled during the middle ages, but connected with that power, and easily confused with it. Though the first power will condemn it, while secretly supporting it. Rather confusing statements.

Any thoughts on this?
I'm still studying, trying to figure out just who this beast represents. He is definitely against true Christianity and quite comfortable promoting an atheist setting. But that doesn't mean he won't assume a Christian face if that serves his purposes.
EGW says it's a new manifestation of satanic power, and the Bible says it came up from the bottomless pit.
It's been largely ignored in Adventist presentations, but I don't think that beast only reared itself in France, he may be very active now and in the future.

The only two beasts I can think of are the First Beast and the Second Beast of Revelation 13 that are active in the last days.

The beast you are talking about is in connection with the 6th Trumpet.

Good to see more joining the conversation.

Actually EGW says the beast of Revelation 11 came up in France during the French Revolution in the 1790's.
It came up in the interlude between the sixth and seventh trumpet.



It came up at the time the papal beast was receiving it's deadly wound.

EGW calls it ANOTHER power from beneath.


Following are quotes dealing with this beast.







This beast is playing a strong role in our world today. We see his work developing all around.

This beast in Revelation 11 manifests itself in the old world -- as does the Rev. 13 first beast.
Could the beast of Rev. 11 be the sixth head on the composite beast of Revelation 13. He is the one who wounded the papal head by giving it a fatal blow. Is he the sixth head that "is" when the beast of Revelation 13 and 17 "is not".

Rev. 17 has the sixth head as "is" when the scarlet beast "is not".

I'm confused. Didn't you just answer it?

Which beast ascends from the bottomless pit.
Which beast makes war with the saints?

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Of course that beast may use other powers to make the war, but if the question is who is that beast, why is that a question that's not already answered?

Great to see you posting again, Kland!

Yes, I agree, obviously the beast in Rev. 11, is the work of satan in making war with the saints.
The question is what human power is the agent through which the dragon is manifesting himself in the depiction of each beast.

The beast in Rev. 11 is a "power from beneath" he comes up from the abyss.

The beast in Rev. 17, though it has seven heads, yet the beast itself that powers all those heads is an eighth that isn't a head but is the beast itself, that comes up and goes down into the abyss.

Yes, it's all the dragon at work -- I agree,
But yes, he uses human powers to do his work.
What human agency did the dragon raise up and employ in Rev. 11.

How about the beast from the sea, the beast from the land, how about the powers that are controlling the whole world right now?

The sea beast of Rev 13 would be the whole Babylonian system with its seven heads -if we follow the empire interpretation. It is Babylon, (with it's mouth and first head) Persia (with bear feet, second head), Grecian (body of a leopard, third head). Imperial Rome, (terrible beast, fourth head) papal Rome, (fifth head) liberty/equality/fraternity power, (sixth head government systems while beast is wounded) finally the papal led coalition (seventh head).

The beast from the land with its two horns of Rev. 13,:11-15, is America which rose to power during the sixth head One of its horns representing the liberty/equality/fraturnity power, the other horn representing Protestantism. That beast turns into the false prophet in revelation 16:13; 19:20, renounces Protestantism, and joins the harlot woman spiritually and becomes the leading enforcing power in the last coalition

Beast in Rev. 11:7
Both the single headed beasts are last day beasts. Both built on the (liberty/equality fraternity common good,) political movement.
Spiritually the beast of Revelation 11:7 system is atheism, without God. In the end it will give up liberty and submit and support the papal led coalition

The land beast mixed it's liberty/equality/fraternity republicans with Protestantism, but it will also gives up liberty and renounce it's Protestantism and enforce papal mandates in the end.

Those two beasts don't have seven heads. They represent two sides of the liberty/equality republican type of government - the one from Europe, atheistic without God leading to anarchy and trouble (as demonstrated in the French Revolution).
The other with same republican principles but included God (Protestantism) rising into a blessed and prosperous nation; but once renouncing Protestantism and looking to papal Rome for leadership everything goes downhill into the terrible time of trouble

My last question was in response to, "What human agency did the dragon raise up and employ in Rev. 11."

Rev 11:7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

What human agency did the dragon raise up and employ in Rev. 12:17?
What human agency did the dragon raise up and employ in Rev. 11:7?

But the title of this thread is, Who is the beast of Rev. 11:7, not who is the human agency the beast of Rev. 11:7 uses.
Do you ask, Who is the beast of Rev. 12:17? If not, why not? It's the same beast - the dragon.

He uses whatever is available and willing to do his bidding. The point of both verses is the dragon is against God and humans and will make war against them. He may use the sea beast, he may use the land beast, he may use the combined beasts.

Yes, the dragon of Revelation 12, is that old serpent the devil, he is behind this whole war against God, our Creator and Savior. The dragon uses the beasts and empowers and inspires them to do his bidding. The beasts themselves are earthly powers, they don?t have to do his biddings They can choose to follow God?s plan. After all we see God working through them at times as well

The land beast helped God?s people greatly in the past but in the last days it speaks with dragon tongue. Other beasts as well like the bear-media Persia beast liberated God?s people and helped them rebuild.
And yes in the end the dragon will use every all available beasts (earthly powers) for his big assault

So, Who is the beast of Revelation 12:17?

I think I answered this somewhat in the other thread



The beast the dragon works though in Revelation 12:17 is the restored "healed" papal beast with its coalition brought to view in revelation 17.



But now more on the beast of Rev. 11:7
The counter beast the dragon raised up to help bring down the American earth beast of Rev. 13.
Both being based on the "liberty, equality, fraternity" principles. One brings terrible trouble, the other was blessed.
One showed the dragon's character, the other was raised up by God to help His people.

Some have thought of the American beast as the sixth head -- but America was separate and independent of the sea beast, not one of it's heads.

Yet the beast of Rev. 11:7 is a continuation of the papal beast as we shall see as we study it further, and qualifies as it's sixth head when the papal beast "is not" "yet is".

I guess I disagree. The beast of 12:17 is the dragon.

Actually revelation 12 doesn't mention any beasts, indeed it is all about the dragon, which is that old serpent the devil and satan.
Alerting us that we aren't waring against flesh and blood, but against principalities and supernatural powers.
The dragon is NOT a human. He is a fallen angel --


But as you, yourself said earlier, the dragon works through the beasts?
Beasts are human powers. Kingdoms, empires, etc.
Beasts are his agents that he enlists, inspires and gets to implement his agenda.


And seems to me that Revelation (as well as Daniel) reveals those beasts.
The earthly powers.
They link these beasts as doing the work for (and with) the dragon.
Revelation 11:7 is talking about a BEAST (a human power) that has given itself to be used by the power from beneath.

Yes, this is the Great Controversy -- both sides have supernatural powers behind them.

Remember Revelation 12 also talks about the "child" - the Christ!
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
And they (those who believe in Christ) overcame him (the dragon) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev. 12:10-11

Revelation 12 draws back the curtain and makes it clear this is the great controversy between Christ and the dragon AND CHRIST WINS and those with Him win!

However, on both sides of this battle are HUMANS very actively involved.

The ones on the dragon's side will fight for and with the dragon and try to get the whole world on that side.

But always remember those with Christ, are on the winning side, even if all the powers on earth seem to have sided with the dragon, CHRIST WINS.

I always was under the impression that a dragon is a ferocious beast.
Guess you disagree.
Which is why you disagree about Revelation 11.

Chinese Dragons ? Facts, Culture, Origins, and Art
The green dragon is also called the azure dragon. It is one of the four great beasts in Chinese mythology
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And, in Chinese mythology, the dragon was such a powerful beast that lived in rivers, lakes, and seas.


Seems I must have gotten that view from others. Get your artwork:
Red Chinese Dragon Beast

It's true dragons are rather common in mythology. One just has to go into a Chinese Restaurant and they'll see dragons depicted all around!
It tends to open the door of speculation as to why?

Were there actual dragons alive at some time?

The Bible and EGW talk about a real reptile serpent in Genesis 3, which was used by Satan to deceive Eve. It had legs and wings and was quite an impressive reptile.
The serpent (the actual reptile) was cursed, Gen.3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

So a person can speculate -- how soon after the fall did the wings and legs of the serpent actually disappear? Were there still winged and footed snakes/dragons around for awhile being used by satan to harass and plague people till they finally were eradicated? Or were the writers of these myths drawing on memory of stories from Eden, or just imagination????


But in Daniel and Revelation the words "beast" and "dragon" are used symbolically.
It's not talking about literal lions, bears, leopards, or buffalos --

The symbol of "dragon" fits satan perfectly.
And the Bible itself gives the meaning --

The dragon is that old serpent, the devil, Satan. (Rev 12:9 Rev. 20:2) We don't have to speculate.

Now some have treated the dragon of Revelation as just one of the many beasts, but I don't see the context supporting such a view. The dragon is not called a "beast" and it is identified in Revelation as being satan, and depicted as being in existence from before creation right up to the end of sin.

Daniel identifies beasts as empires/kingdoms. (Daniel 7:17; 8:20-21)

So yes, my point of view:
Dragon a symbol of Satan
Beasts a symbol of earthly powers (empires, kingdoms, etc)

I can see this is a another dead-end conversation that's not going to go anywhere.

But I am curious, why your determined resistance towards calling a dragon beast a beast.

I'm just sharing what I have found and what makes sense to me, and what I believe is what the Bible is saying. In Revelation the dragon is a symbolic code for satan, the fallen angel, the power behind all these beasts.
Why do I believe that? Mainly because it seems obvious to me that is how Revelation uses the term.
It's what Revelation says it is (Rev 12:9 Rev. 20:2) in so many words.

The dragon isn't symbolic of just another national power.
This dragon is depicted as being in heaven before creation (Rev 12:14),
he is present at Christ's human birth with plans to devour the child (Rev 12:4)
this dragon was defeated and cast down at Christ's crucifixion (Rev 12:9-10, John 12:31,32)
this dragon is the accuser of the brethren before God, (Rev. 12:10)
he is active all through history, (Rev. 12 :13,14)
active at the time of the end (Rev 12:17)
thrown and chained in bottomless pit after the second coming, (Rev 20:2)
and finally in the lake of fire after the millennium.(Rev 20:10)

It all adds up into defining one character -- Satan.

I believe the beasts are symbolic of human powers, kings, empires etc. Why? Because that's what I see in scripture --
(Daniel 7:17; 8:20-21)
They arise from the earth or the sea.

So I can return the question, why are you determined to turn the symbolic dragon, into a symbolic beast?

However, this thread is about the beast of Revelation 11:7

He rose to power during the French Revolution.
The Bible, which was now available to the people was attacked
Revelation 11:3 And I (God) will give power unto my two witnesses (the old and new testament), and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred threescore days, (1260 years) clothed in sackcloth.

Through the medium of the papacy (the sea beast) , Satan (the dragon) had long controlled the powers that ruled in Church and State. In the name of reverence for the scriptures the Bible had been kept locked away from the common people. Faithful ones risked their lives to spread the words of scripture.
The Reformation offered the people the scriptures and truth was opening up to the people.
Satan (the dragon) through the medium of the papacy (the sea beast) sent waves of armies to destroy the protestant movement. France was the worst, with the horrors of the massacre of Bartholomew topping the their assault, pretty much wiping Protestantism out of that country.

Yet despite the violent reaction to stamp out Protestantism, Protestantism was growing, people wanted freedom, they were tired of monarchical and clerical oppression.

Over in the "New World" a whole new way of governing was taking shape, advocating liberty, equality and fraternity. Protestants were immigrating there by thousands. There the "earth beast" was rising giving freedom and equality and the Bible people.

The papal beast was loosing power and influence.
Satan (the dragon) needed a new beast to counteract God's work.

1. How could he neutralize the power of the Bible
2. How could he undo the message of righteousness by faith taught by Protestantism?
3. How could he neutralize and bring the earth beast under his power?

1. He (the dragon) would set aside his papal beast, give it a fatal wound, for a time, till people would think that beast was dead and stop fearing him.
2. He would blame all the religious wars, the lording over the people by the elite classes, and other evil lurking in the state church UPON THE Bible and upon the God Who inspired the Bible. He would make God and the Bible out to be the enemy, in order to neutralize the power of the Bible.
3. He would take the concepts that provided safety under the domain of the earth beast, and create a similar beast without the Bible or God.

One country was open and ready to play the roll of this new beast. France.
This new beast wanted liberty, equality and fraternity, but it didn't want God or the Bible.
Just what Satan wanted.

He wanted a beast that would counter that earth beast over in America that was taking his prey.
He would so influence the minds of men that wanted Liberty and Equality, to set up a government where the Bible would be looked upon as evil, and God would be largely rejected.

So we see the counter earthly power -- a beast which the dragon raised up to help him bring down the American earth beast of Rev. 13.
Both being based on the "liberty, equality, fraternity" principles. One beast brought a reign of terror, the other was blessed.
One showed the dragon's character, the other was raised up by God to help His people.

Some have thought of the American beast as the sixth head -- but America was separate and independent of the sea beast, not one of it's heads.

Did you know the statue of Liberty came from France -- a gift from France. The statue is a figure of Libertas, the Roman Goddess of Liberty. The ancient Roman Republic was established simultaneously with the creation of Libertas and is associated with the overthrow of the Tarquin kings.
But history shows the Roman Republic turned into an empire and then into the papacy.

America was a real thorn in the Satan's plans. How could he bring this powerful earth beast under his control? Interestingly he is doing it using both an attack on the Bible and a resurgence of a desire for religious enforcement linking with with papal beast

Was Satan just back tracking, reviewing the previous beasts and how he broke down the Roman republic, turned it into a controlled empire, (Roman beast) then into the papal beast and is now using the same process to take down the American republic and transform the American beast into one that would work with the papal beast (the one people no longer fear because they think that part is dead).

But in the meantime, with the Roman Papal beast, temporally out of commission, he needed another head (his sixth head) a human power beast -- to work for him, to bring down Protestantism and bring people back under the influence of the papal beast.

The papacy was wounded in 1798, three years later, in 1801 the papal religion was declared the state religion of France, the clergy and pope were restored, though politically weakened. The attack on Catholicism was only a means to an end, and its road to restoration quickly put in place. This had to be done because people feared and resented the tyranny of papal Rome. But now in robbing her of the power legally mandate and by law enforce her religion, most consider that part of papal Rome dead. Now it is rapidly healing, and people seem ready to welcome again it's power. However there will be a rude awakened when the Roman power seizes that power again.

And what about Protestantisms firm stand upon the Bible as the unfailing Divine Word -- it has been thoroughly riddled with criticism ..... the protestant protest is now what is declared dead.

So what is this earthly human power that was raised by the dragon, to utterly destroy faith in the Bible and destroy Christian morals and beliefs?



The beast of Rev. 11:7 is a continuation or arm of the papal beast as we shall see as we study it further, and it qualifies as it's sixth head when the papal beast "is not" "yet is".

And yes, Kland -- the dragon that old serpent the devil is behind all the evil powers of the world. No empire, king or earthly human organization is the prime source of evil, they are made up of people for whom Christ died, and they have the choice to follow Him, or to give themselves for the service of the dragon. The dragon is the master mind behind the evil, and he masterly manipulates human powers to fulfil his plans.

But God also has a plan -- and yes, HE will win.

I agree with what you were saying about a dragon. But I disagree that it cannot be discounted as being referred to as a beast.

If you asked a room of 8th graders if they would agree that a dragon is a beast, do you think there would be unanimous agreement?

For you to disagree with what seems like a straight forward statement, you must have some cherished idea that is threatened.

Implying that all beasts are symbolic of national powers.
Has that been substantiated?

Perhaps this is that cherished idea.

But I would go with the 8th graders.

The problem there is that eighth graders are thinking literal, not symbolic when you talk to them about dragons.

Literally, of course a serpent, a snake, are literal reptiles in the animal world. A mythical dragon would be considered a mythical animal of beastly or magical nature.

But Revelation does not use these terms in a literal sense.
Their reality aren't literal animals in revelation.
We need to look at how Daniel and Revelation uses these symbols, not to eighth graders who haven't studied prophecy, only read mythical stories.

Yet even the symbols differ -- all the beasts seem to have mammal characteristics, while the dragon is reptile???

Anyway I've shared what I've found to be true. If you think different that's OK, it's up to you to figure out what the symbols mean and how it all fits together

8th graders can't understand prophecy!

What powers arose in the 1790's ??

We need to go back a little further.
Remember the Protestant Reformation had taken place, and people were losing faith in the papacy. The protestants, during this time, using the Bible, were unmasking the papacy as the anti-Christ. Not good news as far as the papacy was concerned.

A new order was established in the papal system with the specific purpose to refute and "destroy" Protestantism and bring the nations back under the control of the papacy.

But by the mid-1700's not only was the papacy loosing influence, now, in the years just before the 1790's even this new order was being suppressed, distrusted and cast out by the nations.

According to Britannica


In Great Controversy in the chapter on the French Revolution, page 235 EGW comments on this power.
Great Controversy



This is what happened with help from report by an Australian researcher Frank O'Collin,

King Louis XVI of France came up with a plan to tax the wealthy families and the Catholic Church in an attempt to improve the standard of living for the poor, who were becoming rather restless.

The man often referred to as the Black Pope, (Superior General of the Jesuit army) Fr. Gabriel Lenkiewicz, saw this as a way for him to carry out revenge against the Europeans for their role in attempting to destroy the Jesuit Order. He began a propaganda campaign to stir up the French people, till soon there was rioting in the streets.
King Louis proposed a new Constitution for a monarchy that would give the lower classes more democratic privileges, but somehow the people didn't hear of it, or were led to distrust it. The rioting developed into full-fledged revolution.

Pope Pius VI allegedly ordered Emperor Leopold II of Austria, a Jesuit, to attack France. But Leopold died before that war happened. Meanwhile France descended into a reign of terror. Jesuit agent Antoine Christophe Saliceti was grooming Napoleon Bonaparte for his role, Napoleon later suppressed the revolution and set up a whole new government order, both removing the existent pope and three years later reseating the next pope. All of the treasure from the Vatican was moved to Switzerland and stored in private Jesuit banks. This money was used to finance Napoleon's army throughout the successful years of his crusade. The whole concept of government was being changed in Europe!
Napoleon crowned himself emperor in 1804. He also was successfully waging war against the surrounding European nations and expanding his empire. The new pope was sent to prison. By now the Jesuits decided that Napoleon was out of control and had to be dealt with.

With Napoleon's power weakened, General Brzozowski (he was elected twentieth Superior General of the Society of Jesus and was its first world-wide general) met with Pope Pius VII at his prison in 1814 and a new deal was hatched to restore the Jesuit Order, and to grant it even new lands and rights in Asia. The agreement was that the Jesuits would arrest Napoleon and have Pope Pius VII returned to the Vatican. Also the Jesuits would restate their pledge of loyalty to the Pope and some of the wealth of the church would be returned to the Vatican.
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Thus it was that the Society of the Jesuit Order was fully restored by Papal letter on August 14, 1914. Napoleon abdicated his throne that same year and was exiled to the Island of Elba. In 1815 he escaped the island, returned to Paris, built up a new army and conducted what was known as his 100-day campaign. British and Prussian forces defeated him at the infamous Battle of Waterloo and this time Napoleon was exiled to the remote Island of Saint Helena where he remained until his death.

Jeuits spread all over the world. There influence has been exceedingly great, though usually never on front page, mostly behind the scenes. The protest in Protestantism has been almost completely silenced. Signifying the success of the Jesuits!
Fifty years ago, the term "Jesuit" was regarded in negative light, they were a force to be feared. Many statesmen back in America's early years predicted it was a force that would destroy America. Now the internet is full of webpages praising them for their dedication, knowledge and work. Interesting how "history" has been changed.

The average 8th graders don't study it so how could they understand?
It's not a matter of mental ability, but go into any average classroom, the 13 year old isn't interested in Revelation. They are more interested in dragons on video games. Sadly.

Basically, what I understand --
The beast of Revelation 11, like all the other beasts, is a human power.
Obviously, from my study of Revelation 12, the dragon works through these human powers, and we can pin point the human power leading out in each of the dragon's campaigns to disrupt God's plan of redemption from sin.

The beast in Rev.11:7 is a power that operates when the main beast (Rev. 13) papal Rome, has been put out of commission for awhile.
The papal church didn't die, indeed it made some of it's most blasphemies declarations during this time!
The dogma of Papal infallibility was proclaimed in 1870.
The TIMES changed and people moved out from under her "mind-controlling" influence around 1798; her power to inflict penalties changed; her legal power to control by force was removed, but the internal workings of the papacy were not changed, she is only waiting and strengthening herself for the time when she can once more subject the masses to her control.

SO WHAT POWER IS REPRESENTED BY THE SIXTH HEAD (which IS, while the beast is NOT)
According to the words of the prophet, then, a little before the year 1798 some power of Satanic origin and character would rise to make war upon the Bible. And in the land where the testimony of God's two witnesses should thus be silenced, there would be manifest the atheism of the Pharaoh, and the licentiousness of Sodom.
That power demonstrated itself in France during the French Revolution when violent measures were taken against all things Christian, and the Bible.
But that revolution was only a terrible example, a type, a preview, of what the entire world will yet experience as a result of this very same war going on in America right now.

The United States, also had a revolution built on many of the same principles of liberty, equality, etc, But there was one difference, to a large extent, America embraced the principles and morals of Protestantism.
Yet the anti-Bible principles are at work in America; the principles of evolution, agnosticism, higher criticism of the Bible, and general humanistic concepts: The principles of humanism, socialism (a strange emphasis on love and emanating from self, rather than from God) and secularism.

This anti-Genesis apostasy is nearly universal now in America and Western Europe.
Even with JW Telescope disproving the evolutionary theory, the scientists simply scramble to come up with another theory, a new calculation scheme, to uphold their lie on origins.

The goddess of human reason is exalted. Marriage becomes nothing more than a legal contract that can be affirmed or annulled at will, moral obligations disappear, and the only thing that matters is ?IS IT RIGHT FOR ME?? The statement that God created humans "male and female created He them" is scoffed away. Even on mother's day, we see protestors wanting that day hidden because it is "discriminating"????
Religion assumes the same position, believe what you think is right for you ?if God does something for ME, great, but don?t teach ANYTHING that requires ME to obey any God.

Anarchy is seeking to sweep away all law, not only divine, but human as well! Defund the police???

WHY THIS SIXTH HEAD?

1. The papal beast was losing it's power. Both it's political role and it's spiritual role.
Protestantism and the Renaissance had done major damage to the papal

2, The dragon's position, even while still in heaven, was that God's laws are too restrictive, if intelligent created beings could only do what they thought was best for them and not be restricted by God's laws, everyone would gain new heights' of existence.

3. The dragon wants worship that belongs to God alone.

Introducing this new paradigm, this new way of thinking would solve all those problems.
1. It would set the papacy back for a while, so people would forget her intolerant nature. Then as morals were collapsing and the propaganda and publicity of a pious pope was consistently held forth, people would start looking more and more to the papacy to solve the world's problems.
2. Through this sixth head, the dragon's "follow your own agenda" type of society could flourish and erode all those Protestant moral standards.
3. The whole world will be coerced into Sunday worship. Honour the usurpers day, instead of the day of our Creator and God.

Revelation 11:7 depicts a beast that receives but scant attention in Adventist interpretations.

So what have we discovered so far? (Not that everyone agrees, but it seems to be the missing puzzle in understanding all the beasts of Revelation)

This beast in Revelation 11 manifests itself in the old world -- as does the Rev. 13 seven headed leopard like beast.
It comes up at the point in time when the leopard like beast receives a deadly wound in it's 5th (papal Roman) head near the end of the 1260 years. (see Rev. 11: 3,7 and Rev. 13:5,3)

According to Revelation 17 the seven headed beast is at a stage when it is considered as "IS NOT" but yet one of its heads "IS".
"he beast that thou sawest was, and is not;..
"five (heads) are fallen, and one is, the other is not yet come'

Five mountains (political/religious king(doms) fall. They are symbolic "mountains" ruled by powerful leaders or kings. Mountains are symbolic of empires, but also have a strong spiritual connotation. See ( Jer. 51:25, Daniel 2:35, Is. 11:9, Duet 1:20, Amos 4:1, Habakkuk 3:6) Following the pattern already set we see these mountains as:
1 Ancient Babylon,
2 Media Persia,
3 Greek,
4 imperial Rome,
5 Papal Rome --

The question that has plagued many is "what or who is the sixth head"?

We've followed some rules in determining the first five heads:
1. Each head is represented by a single beast or power in earlier prophecies.
2. Heads need to be part of the beast upon which they reside.

Following the first rule, the first five heads are easy to identify on the leopard like beast -- since it has lion mouth, bear feet, leopard body -- obviously linking it to Daniel 7 and the five powers mentioned there.

But we've always stumbled on rule #2.
The reason is that we have called that whole beast the "papal beast" not realizing it actually represents the great METAL MAN of Daniel two.
Now Revelation 13 focuses on this beast at the time it is operating with it's fifth head -- the Roman papal head, yet that fifth head "roman papal head" is not the sum total of that beast.
It is not the papacy in and of itself, for the beast is fatally wounded, but the papacy is still there, though stripped of it's "beast" power to control.
The beast itself corresponds with the "metal man" in Daniel 2.

Revelation 17 however shows this beast AFTER the fifth head, the papal head received it's wound, temporarily incapacitating the beast, but revealing to us that the sixth head "IS" operating while the beast "IS NOT".

Church and State has been ripped apart during the sixth head. Religion is separate from the political power to dominate. It's not until the seventh head will come up for a short spell when the beast is healed and church and state are united again.

So back to the theme of this thread -- what does the sixth head represent?

Is there a single beast somewhere not yet represented in the seven headed beast?

Actually there are TWO!
Some have thought of the American beast, the second beast of Rev. 13, as the sixth head -- but America was separate and independent of the sea beast, rising out of a different land
So it doesn't fit the rule of a head rising on that seven headed beast.


That's the beast of Rev. 11:7 we've been talking about in the previous posts. The one that manifested itself during the French Revolution. A power claiming liberty, equality, enlightnment, and reason, but strongly opposed to the God of Christianity and the Bible.

There's no question amongst historians that the French Revolution changed Europe and impacted the world. But what those changes meant is argued amongst them.
Marxists applaud the fight for equality and developed from the ruins of the Revolution, but they say it was mainly driven by class struggle between the rising bourgeoisie and the aristocracy; thus exchanging one evil for another and freeing Capitalism from feudalism. Capitalism, in their minds is an enemy to equality and they view capitalism as an evil. For them the revolution isn't over till capitalism and capitalistic countries are brought low.

The two single beasts of Revelation rose at about the same time.
Rev. 11:7 and Rev. 13:11.
They both emerged in the latter half of the 1700's. They both held to a "equality, liberty" motto. One brought on a reign of terror, the other provided sanctuary and freedom .

The difference was that for the majority in America, the Bible and Biblical values were generally (though not perfectly) upheld and that nation was blessed. The other threw out the Bible and Biblical values and chaos and terror resulted, not only in the French Revolution but also in all the nations that built on those anti-Bible principles.

Which one is the sixth head of the compost beast?

I believe it is the beast that rose during the French Revolution and continues to impact the world today.

The seventh head -- I think is a merging of power ,
The beast of Revelation 11 is pulling the American beast into it's agenda and line of reasoning. Thinking to save itself the American beast joins hands with the Papacy who itself has accepted many of the principles of the beast of Revelation 11, the rest of Europe joins in (ten horns) and it's all melded together by spiritualism. The seventh head is formed and the beast roars to life.

Into this the author and director of the whole beast manifests himself as an "eighth"
The almost overpowering deception of a magnificent imposter, pretending to be Christ appears to give full support to the seventh head.