Steve Wohlberg predicts possible church division, offers ebook to help address issues

Steve Wohlberg released this short video about an hour ago.

I guess a church for the separation of the tares from the wheat..

Right. We're seeing The Shaking vision in Early Writings starting at page 269 being fulfilled.

Is it a shaking out or a forcing out? Many are working on forcing people out. That is not God's plan.

Why this desire to see disaster?

Somehow, I sense that the whole WO issues are a counterfeit "shaking" -- a smoke screen to hide the REAL issues pertaining to salvation and the ability to stand in the last days.


Let's look at Early Writings starting at page 269

The Shaking



Question -- what is the struggle?
Internal struggle
A great longing for God's approbation

Seems our FOCUS is the important element.
Where must the FOCUS be?
The evil angels are generating a lot of darkness in order to shut out Jesus from the people's thinking.
Where is the ONLY safety?

What is this "poisonous atmosphere"?
I believe it is the saturation of sin in our whole society. We live in a world that has embraced an autonomous morality (no moral right or wrong, everyone sets own standards) The only problem is an autonomous morality refuses to give anyone the right to embrace Biblical morality, and insists that immorality be embraced as good.
Everywhere the darkness is present, in the work place, the media, the music and newsstands that stare in our faces as we shop, the new laws --and the basic carnal nature that kind of likes an autonomous morality instead of God's righteous laws.

How do we respond -- do we focus on Christ and plead and agonize with Him to make and keep us clean, to represent Him, or do we slide along with the current, half in half out?


Don't give up praying and pleading -- even if it seems the struggles are too powerful -- claim His promises "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ. Phil. 1:6 He is able -- "Though your sins be as scarlet He can make them white as snow" washed in the blood shed at Calvary, "If we confess our sins, He will forgive and cleanse us from all unrighteousness" 1 John 1:9

What is shutting them in and obstructing their access to Christ?
Giving in to the darkness around them,
Not praying and pleading for victory?

God's angels are here to help us!
They can surround us shutting out the darkness of the evil angels if we just earnestly ask for this help!

"Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your] hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double minded. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up." James 4:8-10

What is the counsel to the Laodiceans?
* Complacency -- thinking their condition is just fine
* Ignorance -- ignorant that they are lacking the robe of Christ's righteousness, content to be clothed with their own righteousness which doesn't cover them. Ignorance of their lack of faith in what Christ can and will do in their lives if only they are willing and co-operative. Ignorance that intellectual theological knowledge without constant dependence upon Christ and the Holy Spirit is still blindness.
*The urgent Call -- open your heart's door and let Christ fully into your life.



Question --
Is it possible, like the Jewish nation, to depend on our rituals, works, and belief system as the "straight testimony" and not come in fullness of heart to the author and finisher of our salvation?
They rose up against the "testimony of Jesus" Who is the "true Witness".


Again notice --
Christ is the "True Witness"
When the message "Righteousness by Faith in Christ" was given in 1888, the "latter rain" was about to fall, BUT it didn't -- why? So many rejected the testimony of the "True Witness" and rose up against it.

No -- the shaking isn't about WO at all.
It's about a people fully letting Christ into their lives and being filled with the righteousness of Christ!
This will bring deep repentance and purification on an individual level -- which will be manifested in the church.



This is what we long for --
And this is what we are to agonize and pray for --



There is joy in the Lord -- and victory!


The shaking has nothing to do with WO. Women as well as men and youth, will be part of that victorious company going forth in a united voice, to proclaim the loud cry.
The issue is "prize victory and salvation enough to perseveringly plead and agonize for it" knowing it is only through Christ and with Christ that it can be given.

You're a case in point Dedication of the consequences of failing to follow biblical roles. God's directive that men ought to be leaders in spiritual things should have protected you from a position that has been harmful to yourself and others. As a result you're now at a point where you don't see that to ordain women as spiritual leaders is to repudiate the word. Thank God there are men of wisdom and discernment like Steve Wohlberg who see this and are giving the trumpet a certain sound. Be careful that you don't find yourself to be undermining the Lord's messengers.

Maritime is at a point where it holds up those teaching error as featured members. It's one thing to allow for freedom of speech and it's another to endorse and condone error. Maritime has lost that balance and one of the root causes is your leadership and Daryl's decision to not follow scripture on this point.


The above quote is true. Christ also said: "If ye love me keep my commandments." Love and obedience are two sides of the same golden coin.

As with Revelation 6, don't trust everyone who rides a White Horse.

Though I have no love for dedication, I have even less for "men" so called who use Scripture and *****STAFF EDIT***** "God's directive" to perpetuate the abuse of women and protect their own power structures, all the while being themselves LED BY A WOMAN. If you follow the councils of Ellen White, you are being led by a woman. Period. The hypocrisy is off the charts.

Yes, dedication, like the rest of us, has glaring errors. None of which are unique to either her or females generally. ALL are found in every "male" pastor, conference administrator, Union official, General Conference Vice-President and anyone else holding the artificial man-made titles we fall down and worship. Unfortunately, when it really matters, when the chips are down and the church needs "...men—men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall." it is precisely then that there cannot be found a single testicle of even the smallest imagination amongst the entire collective. (And yes that quote is from Ellen White.)

Maybe, just maybe, if these "men" understood Scripture as well as they understand politics the church would not now be in THIS position.

So go ahead, present your point of view. But refrain from condemning another poster just because she is a woman or she doesn't agree with YOUR point of view. You ain't the last word in Scriptural exegesis. For you, Ellen White is.

OH WAIT!!! SHE'S A WOMAN!

PS: dedication. No, this doesn't make us friends.[color:#FF0000][/color]

Maritime allows discussion on both sides of this issue, even though I don't believe that WO is biblical.

As far as the choice of featured members goes, that is randomly chosen by the forum software and has nothing to do with what is being posted.

This is an important point to make; and one that I think the Church also does, or at least tries to do for the most part. The "divide and conquer" strategy works well when we take sides and pit ourselves against one another. I think its important to just give our witness for Christ, and to politely try explaining our point of view, hopefully from scripture, first, and then from other writings that are pertinent and upheld by scripture.

Steve W really doesnt need to "predict" division as scripture is clear that there has always and will always be divisions:

And I will put a division between my people and thy people: to morrow shall this sign be. (Exodus 8:23)

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: (Luke 12:51)If we would study a little closer; we could see how division and heresy play a role in strengthening the church and her work, as people who are seeking to know the truth will do the searching needed.

Daryl,

I commend you on allowing conversations to take place in a Christian setting on your forum. You have always manifested a Christian attitude and up held the highest standards.


Just one comment on WO. Christ has made us kings and priests and the redeemed in Heaven will be kings and priests before God our Father. That being true, it must follow that only men can be saved. Preposterous! But if we refuse to allow on earth what Christ has made to be a fact and what the Father allows in Heaven, we are rebelling against the will of God. Satan was cast out of heaven because of rebellion, rebels won't be admitted into Heaven to replenish those that have been cast out.


Gideon took 20000 to the river and came away with few hundred that God could use. Similarly, the GC decided a spiritual issue with 10's of thousands in favor of a policy that is in rebellion against the revealed will of God.


If that assessment is true, Laodiceans have been deceived to forbid on earth what God allows in Heaven and they are in danger of being among the rebels against God.

That is a sad testimony to present to God concerning those who profess to be representatives of God on earth.