POLL: The Ten Commandments

The topic on The Ten Commandments has been discussed for quite some time now, therefore, I have established a poll to see where people are at over this important topic.

Nine people have voted, however, I would appreciate more of you voting on this important topic.

I want to thank those of you who have participated in this POLL.

I have sent a forum email to recruit others to participate in this POLL.

I will be interested in seeing what the result of this POLL is.

Daryl:

As I look at the results, I ask: How could your expect any different from the people who post here?

I was sent an e-mail asking me to reply to a question about the 10 commandments. It said I was not allowed to post an answer.

Hello Alice, and welcome to Maritime SDA OnLine!

Only registered members of MSDAOL would have received that email from me, therefore, you are obviously a registered member of MSDAOL.

You obviously posted here without logging on. In order to participate in the POLL you first need to log on as a registered member under your registered username and password.

Just noticed your post.

Well, with the way some of the topics on The Law were going, I just wanted to take a POLL and see.

Maybe I will do another more detailed one.

Hi Daryl,

Pity help us if the church ever abolished the 10 commandments. Wow, we'd be sunk good and proper.
I believe we've got too slack in some issues - ie. pastors performing second marriages where no adultery has happened etc.

We sure have to be lots more broad minded these days which is a pity

But one thing we must remember - the Seventh Day is the Sabbath till the end and if we're not keeping that we're sunk like the Titanic!

The law must be abolished and no longer binds any man on earth, otherwise Christ has a competitor.

To be saved or to be lost is no longer depends on keeping or not keeping the law but on our attitude or character. Do you have the love of God in your heart that welcomes you to live in heaven or do you still have the love for self that separates you from heaven? That is the main point of to live eternally or to lost eternally thanks to the work of redemption of Christ that has given our lives back.

James,
It saddens me to see the reply you posted here.
If you truly believe what you have said, then you are saying that Jesus lied (or didn't know what He was saying ) when He said He came not to destroy (do away with or abolish), but to fulfill the law, Mat.5:17.
Keeping the law of God will not save us, because if we 'offend in one part', we are guilty of 'all'.

The apostle James had this to say about it, But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty , and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. [chpt.1 v. 25]

We will be judged by this law, so, how can you say that it should be abolished?
These ten precepts govern our relationship to God [ first four] and our relationship to each other [last six]
Technically, you could say that the 5th also governs our relationship to our heavenly Father, we are to 'honor your father and mother', we are also supposed to honor our Heavenly father.
Jesus, our prime example, set the tone: John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Hi Jerry I just edited this to fix the red font code for you.

[ November 27, 2002, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: Avalee ]

Gerry.

We will be judged by this law, so, how can you say that it should be abolished?

Unquote.

I guarantee you that the Ten Commandments will only judge those who were under it, those who were under it jurisdiction.

But Christ believers is not judge by this law, those who put themselves under the law have shown their unbelief, and the lost of eternal life is not because you break the law but because you did not believe that you are not under the law, even though Romans 6:14 clearly says so.

In His love

James S.

Gerry,

I just sent you a PM (private message).

The law must be abolished and no longer binds any man on earth, otherwise Christ has a competitor.
	quote: James Saptenno

Where there is no law, there is no sin, for the Bible clearly teaches that sin is transgression of the law. If the law is no more, then sin is no more.

Where there is no sin, there is no need for grace, nor need for a Saviour. For what would we then be saved from?

The Biblical fact that God's eternal law still stands in no wise gives Christ a competitor. But for the very reason that we have sinned against that law, warrants the need for both grace and a Saviour.

You remove the law, then you remove the need for the cross at Calvery.

Denborgh.

Where there is no law, there is no sin, for the Bible clearly teaches that sin is transgression of the law. If the law is no more, then sin is no more.

Where there is no sin, there is no need for grace, nor need for a Saviour. For what would we then be saved from?

Unquote.

Again as usual a big error that is against the Scripture.

You ignore the clear teaching of the bible that sin exist before the law, that means as I have presented, sin is not only transgression of the law, but there is sin of unrighteousness, sin of unbelief and sin of ignorance.

Where you belongs?

In his love

James S

Denborgh.

Without the law sin was already in the world and would exist till the end of the world.
Therefore we still need the grace of God, and his grace was poured out to us through Christ death 2000 years ago and gave men’s life back. There should be no more law that might condemn a law-breaker with death penalty, because Christ had saved him. Alive and death is since then a matter of choice, would you live eternally with God in heaven and the New World or would you choose hell instead for to be burned till nothing left. During the life you choose to live with God you may commit sins of unrighteousness, sins of unbelief and sins of ignorance, but God by his grace will remember these sins no more as long as you remain in Christ by faith and live after the Spirit.

If you choose the first the Scripture told you how you must live, if you choose the latter, then live for the flesh, which is your nature.

In his love

James S

Denborgh.

If you keep the law and take it as a standard of judgment and righteousness, you have made the law Christ’s competitor; you made the law a parallel way to come to the Father in heaven instead Christ as the only way.

Christ is and will always be our standard of righteousness, but our righteousness is imputed and imparted, nothing of works.

Judgment then will be based on our deeds as according to the principle of heaven where you are going to go, do you have love to your fellow man that made you acceptable to live in heaven or not. If you have it, you will be justified by your faith, since only through faith you might have a change of nature, from a self-loving man to a man that loves his fellow man. But it is done by the Spirit, that sheds abroad the love of God in your heart", that "works in you to do the willing and the doing of God.

You, as a self-loving man (which is your nature) only surrendered yourselves completely to the Spirit through faith by emptying your flesh desires, by denying it. Even tough you cannot do it by your own because it is your nature, but as long as you have the will to deny it, the Spirit will empower you to overcome it. The recreating work of a selfish heart to a heart that is filled with the love of God takes your entire life, but when you sin as the result of a conflict situation between the Spirit and your self, your sins is not imputed because there is no law and God will remember it no more (Galatians 5:16-18; Romans 5:13; Hebrew 8:12; 10:17).

But if you are under the law, the Spirit cannot help you and you were alienated from the commonwealth of Christ, you remain a self-loving man that is not FIT for heaven.

The law increases your sins and made you slave to sin (Romans 5:20; 6:14), that is not the way God wants you to live. He wants you to have a change of heart that could not be obtained through keeping the law but only by the works of the Spirit through faith.

“The law is not of faith”, so, a faithful believer doesn’t need the law and by placing himself under the law’s jurisdiction will only shows his unfaithfulness.

In His love

James S.

[ December 01, 2002, 12:47 AM: Message edited by: James Saptenno ]