Concern over President Trump's Impeachment

This title popped up[already in the subject line] when I was beginning a new topic.

This title is appropriate, since my latest book is "The Last Trump Shall Sound"

This is the message for the hour that puts the 3AM in context for our generation on the eve of Christ's coming.

The Nearness of Time

Time is not the message! What is happening in our time is the message that must be heard aright!

Is our natural world colliding with the unseen supernatural world? It looks that way with chaos on every front: Self-perpetuating wars, displaced populations, border insecurity, epidemic drug abuse, natural disasters of unprecedented scope, entrenched political wrangling, and the loss of the moral compass that is desperately needed to guide aright. It is not business as usual. What is happening? Why is it happening?



As Solomon said, “The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 1:9). And the Apostles asked, “Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye” (Acts 4:19). Do we listen to God or man?

Is there a God? Is He our Creator? Or is God an imaginary Being that epitomizes man’s ideas of perfection?

Should we worship Him? The idea of worship is so old fashion. Does anybody worship anything anymore? We worship that which gets our attention.

People are so limited. The supernatural God of the universe is unseen by human eyes. People cannot even say what will happen tomorrow or even in five minutes.

To discover if God is, I began studying Bible prophecy. Bible prophecy, because the Bible claims to be able to foretell the future: “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts” (1 Peter 1:9).
Verifying that the Bible accurately predicts the future, proves that it reveals secrets of the supernatural world. By correctly revealing the future, it proves itself trustworthy. Since the Bible is truthful, then what it says about God is trustworthy too. If prophecies that can be verified are true, God’s revelation about Himself are true too!

Adrian Rogers said in a radio sermon that there are 333 prophecies in the Bible predicting Christ’s Coming. His evidence proved that they were fulfilled exactly as predicted. Eight of these prophecies include that Jesus was born at a certain time; at a certain place; His mother was a virgin; babies were killed in an attempt to kill Him; He healed the sick; He was rejected; He was crucified; and He arose from the dead. Rogers added that if only eight prophecies of the 333 were considered: According to the law of probability, it would be like placing a man in Texas at a random location with the assignment to find a designated coin after the entire state had been covered with a two-foot pile of silver dollars. The man does the impossible, he finds it.

The gist of Rogers presentation was that Peter Stoner, a statistician, calculated the odds of prophecies that predicted Christ’s First Advent being fulfilled. They were fulfilled exactly as prophesied! Chance happenings: astronomical!

Since 333 Bible prophecies about Christ’s First Advent were right, the Bible has already demonstrated an impressive track record. Thus, the assurance: The prophecies about Christ’s Second Advent must be as trustworthy as well! My questions: Do we really understand them? Or are they so old that they have been tainted by tradition as they were passed from generation to generation?

The only way to find out for myself was to study Bible prophecy. At first, I studied prepared studies about Daniel and Revelation. When these studies were compared to studies prepared by different churches, they did not agree. If the Bible is the source of the study, how can so many churches have all those contradictions?

My quest: To find out what the Bible really said about Christ’s Second Advent. To let the Bible, speak for itself.



Jesus also warned, “How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!” (Matthew 24:19, NIV). Has that time past? If not, when? Why did Jesus give this warning? Is He teaching family planning?



With retirement funds, 401K’s and financial planning, for the purpose of having a secure future, will there be a time that our possessions will curse us? What about having a house mortgage, car payments, and unpaid debts? When will these monitory issues be a hinderance?

How do we know when it is time to give as the Israelites gave in the wilderness: To bring our offerings to the LORD for His work? Instead of having our possessions consume our flesh, it would be better to have them to be used for God like the poor widow’s two mites.



With the 666 Mark of the beast coming, when will it be dangerous for men and women to go into the military? To some, joining the armed services just seems like getting a secure government job with benefits.

When the Mark of the Beast is upon us, Christians should not be in his service. Life will be hard enough for God’s people without being in the military. Is it wise to leave eternal decisions to chance? Why would Jesus forewarn us if He did not want us to understand His warning at the appropriate time and make preparation? Are we listening?









To fail to worship God is to choose to worship another by default. Whoever gets our attention gets our worship. God is not going to be second place. Get ready to meet God!

I'm glad you wrote -- "Time is not the message, what is happening in our time that is the message"

I agree! Yes, it is important to realize things are shaping up for the final crises in an alarming manner, and yes, it is urgent that God is our all in all, for this world is about to crash, and then there will be nothing, BUT God and His salvation.

However, "prophecy" while it gives us the grand outline for the future, and warns of deceptions coming as well as the major players in those deception, and gives us the promise of God's victory and full salvation -- yet prophecy's purpose is NOT a detailed blow by blow "future telling" thing.
Prophecy involves the whole "worship" aspect of trusting and following God, or trusting in something else that is in conflict with trusting and following God.

Consider all the prophecies pointing to Christ's first coming.
Did they predict a line of priests leading up to Caiaphas? No. They gave hundreds of "clues" by which people would recognize Christ when He came!
It is easy, POST A.D., to see them. But before those prophecies were fulfilled, the majority of them could easily be construed to mean something else -- to point to some "news" of the time previous. It wasn't until Jesus and the apostles linked them all together to the events of Christ's life that the realization of the astonishing accuracy of them all pointing to Christ was realized!

We must be careful too -- when the actual endtime fulfilment happens, those who know the important outline of the prophecies will see the accuracy in their fulfilment, but those who have broken up the grand grand outline and linked bits and pieces of them to previous "news" events will be confused. Whether Trump is impeached or continues really isn't the issue. Manipulating the prophecies again and again to fit the "news" isn't "present truth".

Now, a lot that you wrote above is IMPORTANT!!!
I can whole heartily agree with most of it!

We know --



And yes, that is in progress. The beasts of prophecy (both papal and U.S. national) are diligently working to bring in laws to that end.

Yes, it will be very hard for people with small children-- for parent's hearts find greater sorrow in the suffering of their children than in their own. These must keep their minds on the eternal life God has promised, even if it means doing the impossible -- allowing their children to suffer rather than turn against God.

And yes, debt can be a powerful slave master. We are admonished to be free of debt. Houses and lands are easily confiscated (even if we have full legal title) and we must not put our trust in them.
But we also have counsel to find homes out in the country where we can grow our own food...

There is a balance to providing for our essential needs in a modest responsible way in line with God's will, and giving our all to God's work.

I also fully agree -- being in the military service is very difficult with maintaining a life of obedience to God in any national crises situation, and will be utterly worse in the final crises.

And yes, I fully agree -- the final crises will soon come on the world with overwhelming surprise, we don't know the day or year, but it can come ANYTIME now, (but the four angels holding the winds of strife may hold them yet for a bit longer, we don't KNOW) but we need to make God first in everything every day of our lives.

It is nice to find some common ground upon which we can agree after all these years. But it is very important to have a balance in our presentation.

There is just as much danger in spiritualizing away definite prophecies as there is in date setting. Adventism If not careful is heading toward the spiritualize away spectrum.





Thus, when the LORD reveals anything that is to impacts us or our children, we would do well to earnestly seek to find it and understand it.

Wake up!

The clergy sex scandal will not go away. What appeared to be an isolated fornication scandal in Boston has morphed into a mega scandal in Pennsylvania and beyond with new allegations flaring up everywhere. The Roman Church that sprang from Christ’s Apostolic Church has become the priests’ brothel. Who would have imagined such a thing?

This fornication scandal is reminiscent of ancient Babylon, that mighty city that fell during a wild orgy. This development should not surprise anyone: In the past, the Roman Church’s spiritual fornication, embracing false doctrines, has led Bible students to conclude that she “has been in a fallen condition for many centuries.” “The term Babylon, derived from Babel, and signifying confusion, is applied in Scripture to the various forms of false or apostate religion.” All false and apostate religions are Babylon whether they are currently involved in this horrific sex scandal or not.

Is the Fornicating Roman Church Endtime Spiritual Babylon?
Though these immoral revelations surprised the masses, God was not broadsided by these abominations or anything that is coming. Through the Apostle John, God forewarned of Babylon’s fornication 2000 years before these headlines:



In recent years, her teachings have become very popular with professed Christians. Most Protestants cannot discern the difference between Rome’s doctrines (that resulted in the death of their forefathers) from sound Bible doctrine. In spite of the popularity of false Roman doctrines, God has always had a people, who possessed the truth as it is in Jesus.



Was the Roman Church ever God’s true Church? Yes, the Christian Church arose to do what the Jews had failed to do: Take Christ’s gospel to the world. Thus, the Christian Church was established at various cities in the ancient world and at the city of Rome; then the Roman Church morphed into a mega religio-political power after the Roman emperor appointed it to head all of Christendom.

Appointing the Bishop at Rome to be the head of all of Christendom changed the body of Christ into an agent of the state. The conflict: Two masters with conflicting agendas.
John predicted the fall of endtime Babylon, because of her fornication. The Roman Catholic Church has obviously fallen, because of her fornication/sex scandals! Is Bible prophecy now being fulfilled, or is this merely a coincidence?

John predicted the fall of endtime Babylon, because of her fornication. The Roman Catholic Church has obviously fallen, because of her fornication/sex scandals! Is Bible prophecy now being fulfilled, or is this merely a coincidence?



Thus, prophecy is fulfilling: The Roman Church is fallen because of her fornication! Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation was linked to Babylon’s fornication scandal. How so? Prior to becoming Pope Benedict XVI, as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he had been authorized to “handle abuse cases directly,” but he was “part of a culture of nonresponsibility, denial, legalistic foot-dragging and outright obstruction.” He “leaves behind a Church grappling with a global fallout from sex abuse and a personal legacy marred by allegations that he was instrumental in covering up that abuse.”

He had known about the priests’ fornications. As pope, his ritual usher was even “implicated in a gay prostitution ring… on the heels of major pedophilia scandals involving the abuse of children by priests in Ireland, Germany and the United States.” His failure to correct the pedophile priests’ overt fornications contradicted his pious profession of morality: “The Church cannot cease to proclaim that in accordance with God’s plans (cf. Mt 19: 3-9), marriage and the family are irreplaceable and permit no other alternatives.” Thus, prior to becoming pope, Benedict XVI had authority to act, but he did nothing. As pope, Benedict XVI’s reign ended in 2013 while the priests’ sex scandal was fulfilling the Second Angel’s Message of Revelation 14 as it was repeating in Revelation 18.

Babylon is said to be “the mother of harlots.” By her daughters must be symbolized churches that cling to her doctrines and traditions, and follow her example of sacrificing the truth and the approval of God, in order to form an unlawful alliance with the world. The message of Revelation 14, announcing the fall of Babylon must apply to religious bodies that were once pure and have become corrupt. Since this message follows the warning of the judgment, it must be given in the last days; therefore it cannot refer to the Roman Church alone, for that church has been in a fallen condition for many centuries. Furthermore, in the eighteenth chapter of the Revelation the people of God are called upon to come out of Babylon. According to this scripture, many of God’s people must still be in Babylon. And in what religious bodies are the greater part of the followers of Christ now to be found? Without doubt, in the various churches professing the Protestant faith. At the time of their rise these churches took a noble stand for God and the truth, and His blessing was with them. Even the unbelieving world was constrained to acknowledge the beneficent results that followed an acceptance of the principles of the gospel. In the words of the prophet to Israel: “Thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through My comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.” But they fell by the same desire which was the curse and ruin of Israel—the desire of imitating the practices and courting the friendship of the ungodly. “Thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown.” Ezekiel 16:14, 15. {GC 382.3}

This is true. And will be covered in more detail as this thread continues.

Flee Babylon!

Though Judaism was initially established by God and it is not outwardly linked to a fornication scandal, until it repents of its rejection of Jesus, the Messiah, it is Babylon! If Jews repent, accept Jesus Christ as their Savior, and follow Christ, He will take them back into His family:



Though Islam was not established by God as were the Jews and Christians, He will graft them into the family of Christ if they accept Him: The WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE! Likewise, Christians that have left their First love must repent and return to Christ! Refusing Heaven’s spiritual light has doomed generations. When truth/light moved to greater light, those who refused to follow it were left in darkness.

The religions of the Jews, Catholics, and Muslims have turned from light to become Spiritual Babylon. Now God’s faithful people must love them to Jesus. But if the people of these great religions persist in their errors: They will make it clear that they are satisfied to only have a form of godliness:



As their spiritual leaders have led them away from Christ (the Light of the world), it is now happening in the Protestant Churches. They are giving up cherished Truths to go back to the Roman Catholic Mother Church. Do they see nothing wrong with the Roman Church or its doctrines? Do they not see its fornications? Do they not hear God calling His people out of fornicating Babylon?

When the Protestant churches failed to see the Roman Catholic priests’ mega sex scandal, the media exposed it. While the churches turn a blind eye, what is happening?



When the Supreme court of the United States of America ruled in favor of homosexual marriage/fornication, none of the justices professed the Protestant values of the founding fathers. Three of the justices were Jewish: Breyer, Kagan, and Ginsburg. The majority of the Justices were Catholic: Alito, Kennedy, Roberts, Sotomayor, and Thomas. Gorsuch was raised Catholic, but he currently attends an Episcopal church. Thus, the landmark decision by the majority of the Court’s Justices on gay marriage was impacted by the education that they had received at the hands of Catholic priests, the very class involved in Babylon’s fornications. And the decision that the Court reached has juxtaposed the Law of the land in Protestant America against the Law of God.







Six of the nine Justices, who decided that gay marriage issue, have declared that America is no longer a Christian nation that is subject to the Law of God: America is Political Babylon. And shortly after their judgment was rendered, President Obama, “welcomed it!”

As God’s word had foretold, the kings of the earth committed fornication with Babylon. On 26 June 2015, the US joined eighteen other nations in recognizing gay marriage as the law of the land: Babylon’s priests’ fornication is now their standard for intimacy within the marriage covenant.

The kings of the earth (the rulers in America that make, interpret, and enforce our laws) have committed fornication with Babylon while we sat by with our hands folded. As we beheld, prophecy was fulfilled in our day!



As the Scripture has foretold, it has come about in our day: the kings of the earth have committed fornication with Babylon. The priests have fornicated (men with boys), in spite of the pope’s public position, “The Church cannot cease to proclaim that in accordance with God’s plans (cf. Mt 19: 3-9), marriage and the family are irreplaceable and permit no other alternatives.” And America’s leaders have exalted the priests’ alternative to the marriage covenant in defiance of God’s specific warning that this is an abomination:



It is not up to Christians to condemn any of the folks that have been entrapped by their lusts, for God will ultimately judge His people and He will render His verdict upon those who disobey His directives. “For the LORD shall judge His people…If I whet My glittering sword, and Mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to Mine enemies, and will reward them that hate Me” (Deuteronomy 32:36, 41). Yet no one, who has been deceived by lust, needs to die. Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery, “Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more” (John 8:11). There is hope in Jesus for those who recognize their sins, repent of them, and turn away from iniquity (known sin).

Some assume that this ban against homosexuality is no longer valid because it is found in the Old Testament near the ban against eating shellfish. Since many Christians eat shellfish, they reason that both bans are no longer binding. Remember the old adage: Two wrongs do not make a right. Instead of making homosexuality less of a sin, the context affirms that eating shellfish is wrong! By the state legalizing gay marriage, the sexual intimacy that simulates the normal sexuality in a marriage is extended to gay couples, and their fornication takes on the appearance of social acceptability.

God is not singling out those who are deceived by gay sex. He has the same warning for heterosexuals that are deceived by lust. “The adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death” (Leviticus 20:13). In fact, Leviticus 20:1-23 lists many sexual practices that God abhors.



The shellfish argument is a red herring defense designed to justify remaining in sin; to excuse sinful behavior, rather than to acknowledge it as sin and repent of it. Jesus did not do away with the Old Testament’s health regulations or its prohibition against immorality. As eating unclean foods and immorality was unhealthy for Jews, it is unhealthy for Christians. The coming of the Christian dispensation did not change anyone’s metabolism or their urge to procreate. Jesus clearly said: “If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead” (Luke 16:31). Are Christians hearing Moses and being persuaded to abstain from immorality because they are listening to him? Are they choosing to eat what Jesus ate?

Jesus authorized Peter, “Whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (Matthew 16:19). Later, Peter was commanded, “Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean… This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven” (Acts 10:13-16, ed). The unclean animals remained bound when they went back to heaven, because Peter refused to unbind them or eat them.

An aside: Because Peter let all the unclean animals remain bound in the vessel, there is no justification for the Christian to eat swine. Peter did not unbind it. It remains on the unclean food list in Leviticus. Rather than to clean pigs for human consumption, Jesus commanded devils to go into the swine/pigs (cf Matthew 8:30-32; Mark 5:11-13; Luke 8:32-33). And Paul teaches us, “Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils” (1 Corinthians 10:21). How can Christians eat the Lord’s Supper and eat swine’s flesh after Jesus commanded the devils to enter it?



The Supreme Court’s decision in favor of homosexual marriage makes the law of the land contradict the truth in God’s word. Putting Christ’s teachings at odds with the laws of America (historically a Christian nation) is polarizing its government against Christ’s people. “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation” (Matthew 12:25). One nation indivisible under God has become a nation divided along extreme lines. Rebellion against the laws of the state has consequences, as does rebellion against the Law of God.

Each one must choose to obey God or to rebel against Him: To believe and follow the Plan of Salvation exactly as God has revealed it or to deviate from the Plan of Salvation according to personal whims. There is no middle ground. Obeying God is not legalism or working our way to Heaven: Obedience to God testifies of our love and gratitude to our Savior for His matchless sacrifice on our behalf. On the other hand, rebellion against God is choosing to live in Babylon.

Strict obedience poses a significant problem for people, who believe the popular teaching that all religions lead to God: Especially the three great religions that are linked to Abraham, a servant of the only true God. The popular belief is that all religions are just different means to the same end, i.e., that one religion is just as good as another. Those, who believe that lie, resist changing because they do not think it is necessary: A satanic doctrine designed to deceive and ruin souls, who are not grounded in God’s word. But Satan has been relatively successful in his assault on the Church.

With Bible prophecy fast fulfilling around us, the identity of Babylon is so clear, but billions of people have not heard God’s call to flea Babylon. If they have heard His call, they may not have a clue what He is talking about: Calling them from apostate religions that may once have served God.

When truth encounters error, choose to follow truth. Pride makes it difficult. Pride questions the one bringing the truth, “Why do you think you are right and I am wrong?” Or: “What makes you think you are better than me?”

When the Roman Church encountered the Reformation, not all of its members saw the need to Reform the Mother Church. And while the media is exposing Papal Babylon, not all of the Protestants see the danger at hand as evidenced by the fact that many Protestant churches are reuniting with Rome while God is calling: Come out of her My people!

God invites us to reason together (cf Isaiah 1:18), not to put down the beliefs cherished by others, but to study together that we may grow into the unity that Jesus wanted for His people. When God calls people out of Babylon, He is calling them to seek for the truth as it is in Jesus.

The choice is clear: 1) Will we follow God as He leads, or 2) will we do our own thing (whether it is to explain away a thus saith the Lord or to deceive ourselves and to remain willfully ignorant). It does not matter the way we rebel against God; the consequences are deadly.

The Protestant Churches, the daughters of the Roman Mother Church, arose to take Christ’s love to the world. In time, they too apostatized from the distinct doctrines that made them Reformers. As the Jews left their first love, and the Roman Church left her first love, the Protestant Churches have left their first love. This is evident by the fact that while the media is revealing that the Catholic priest’s fornication scandal is more pervasive than imagined, Protestants are normalizing gay marriage, and Protestant Churches are reuniting with the Roman Mother Church while overlooking God’s command: Come out of her My people!

The title of this thread suggests President Trump will be impeached. Why?

I'm praying that he stays as long as he is able. (NOT pro or con) just remembering the old adage about jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

If you will bear with me, I will get to you question BUT there are some points that will make the answer more clear as we cover some of the background that will lead to the very answer that you seek.

But it won't be my answer, it will be what the Bible says on that topic.

The sheep hear their Shepherd

God’s people hear His voice! “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me” (John 10:27).

If God’s professed people do not hear His voice, or they do not follow it; they will be left in darkness as were the Jews that did not follow Jesus, those in the Roman Church that did not Reform, Muslims, and Protestants that have apostatized. While God is calling: Come out of fornicating Babylon My people, the wise will hear and they will obey!

There are many people, who do not understand that sexual fornication is Baal worship or idolatry. One of the very sins that led Israel into the Babylonian Captivity. Others believe that because God chose Israel, the Apostolic Church, or a Reformed Church to be His Chosen People, that God will never forsake them. But even after Israel finally completely rejected Jesus as their Messiah, some folks today reason that God is compelled to bless Israel as if they are still His Chosen People. Divorces do not work that way! God warned Israel that their status as His chosen people was dependent on their relationship with Him. Consider His warning to them as follows from Deuteronomy 27:9-29…



















This was only a small portion of the warning to God’s people. Read it all in a translation of your choosing.

God faithfully keeps His word to bless, and He faithfully keeps His word to curse. The Lord wants to bless more than we can receive, but He will not compel anyone to obey Him!

On 6 February 2019, Pope Francis disclosed that Babylon’s fornicating priests have been using nuns as sex slaves. On the 16th, the pope defrocked Cardinal McCarrick for sexually abusing children and seminarians. On the 21st through the 24th, a global bishop’s conference had been convened to address the clergy sex abuse scandal within the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church’s fornications have become so blatant that They cannot be denied or swept under the proverbial rug.

God warns all of His sheep: Come out of her My people! God’s people obey Him! They flee fornicating Babylon!





Hear God! Obey Him! Flee Babylon! Do not delay!

Prophecy




Without being infallible, uncertainty limits us. We can only bear witness of what we know. The Apostle Paul put it this way: “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away” (1 Corinthians 13:9-10).


Man is unable to foresee what will happen tomorrow, but God is the Revealer of Secrets. Thousands of years ago God gave incredible revelations for our time. Historical records confirm that some Bible prophecies have been fulfilled in the past, but not all of God’s ancient prophecies have been completely fulfilled! Today’s fascinating headlines like the priests’ fornication scandals proclaim that the last day events that God foretold long ago are upon us. Those things that we wonder and speculate about will explain themselves when the prophecies are completely fulfilled.





God did not give prophecy to make us smarter sinners. God IS and He has a plan for our happiness that He is revealing through word, the Bible, in His own good time.



Peter’s warning that no prophecy is of any private interpretation uses the word idios for the word translated as private. Idios is the root of the word idiotic. No prophecy is of any idiotic interpretation! Often people who disagree with a prophetic interpretation justify their opposition by claiming that the interpretation in question is a private interpretation. In some cases that may be true, but at other times: It is a false claim presented to protect cherished traditional beliefs.

President Trump is not being impeached. Why do you think he will be?

My reading of Daniel 11:30 transitions power from President Trump to President Pence through the actions of a few people as it correlates with the #IranUSwar.

Will the war come first?
Will Trump get the boot first?
When Pence is President, the Time of Trouble follows.

That is how I read it in 3 lines.

As this thread continues, the prophecies will bear that out.

HC, thank you.

Well it doesn't look like the Democrats want to impeach and all the issues it brings up....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...m=.25478fba4f30

There would need to be a lot of support from the Republicans in order for that to happen, which looks highly unlikely at the moment.

Impeaching President Trump would give President Pence, the incumbent advantage in the 2020 election.

He could run on his record as president in 2020 or he could "move against the covenant" violate the constitution [America's covenant between the people and the government] to extend his term due to a "national emergency"



I do not know exactly how it will come to pass, but what is written in the Bible will come to pass and that which is prophesied will be whether we understand it completely or not.

Daryl,

If the House of Representatives impeached Donald Trump and the Democrats in the Senate convicted him, it would only take 10 (give or take a few) Republican Senators to convict him and remove him from office. It can come down to a relatively few people to put Michael in office and in context of the war with Iran, The Time of Trouble will commence. Michael will stand for his people [evangelicals] and:

The Gift of Prophecy

In Bible times, God has had prophets and prophetesses: “he [is] a prophet” (Genesis 20:7), “a prophetess…judged Israel” (Judges 4:4, ed), and “Anna, a prophetess” (Luke 2:36). But after the Apostles died, what happened to the prophets and the prophetesses that God promised would arise in the endtime? As sure as, evangelists, pastors, and teachers are still in the church today, God did not do away with apostles or prophets. The Apostle Paul said they ALL are to be in the church: “Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God” (Ephesians 4:13). Has the church arrived at the unity of the faith? No.

The Scriptures clearly state that prophesying is a gift. It was also displayed periodically during Bible times. That gift was withdrawn from God’s people from the time of the writing of Malachi to Matthew’s day (about 450 years). Then came the Apostles. God “gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers” (Ephesians 4:11). The gift of prophecy has rarely been seen since the time of the Apostles, but it is prophesied to reemerge in the Church in the last days, just before Christ’s Second Advent:



A religion major attending the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga (a non-denominational school) informed me: “You cannot study Christianity in America without encountering Ellen White.” Was she a prophetess?

She began life as Ellen G. Harmon. She had awaited Christ’s Second Advent in 1843 and 44 after hearing of it from the preaching of William Miller, a Baptist minister, who had traveled through New England teaching from his study of the book of Daniel that Christ’s Advent was imminent.

After Christ had not come in 1844, Ellen White began having visions in 1845. She learned that Jesus had not come at the times that Miller had calculated because Daniel was not predicting Christ’s Advent at those times. Miller had the right times from his prophetic study, but the wrong event. Both 1843 and 44 were the correct prophetic times, but the event was the cleansing of the Sanctuary in Heaven, when the books in Heaven were opened to review the deeds of the dead and the living to confirm the identity of God’s saints.

Christ had promised that: “He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels.” “And behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work shall be” (Revelation 3:5; 22:12).

Ellen Harmon married James White. They published her writings as the Spirit of Prophecy. Ellen G. White wrote for 70 years (1845 to 1915). Though she is virtually unknown, she is undeniably, America’s most prolific woman author.

His Child,

You should cease your prognostications, for they are false and merely sensationalistic. If you must continue posting false prophecies, I wish you would find somewhere else to do so. As a moderator here, I hate to feel the burden of making a judgment as to whether to allow your false teachings to remain, and I am beginning to wonder if I should remove them. I'm sure you are sincere in your beliefs, but you have many times posted false prophecies here, and, unfortunately, you continue doing so--seemingly never having learned from your past errors.

Pence is NOT the "Michael" of which the Bible speaks. Ellen White is clear enough that the One who stands up is Jesus Christ.



The Biblical language about "Michael" is clear. He is our Prince. Remember, a "prince" is a son of a king. Not only is He our Prince, He is called "the great prince." Pence is not so great. The media has been hard on him lately for some of his indiscretions. Even if he is elected, and even if he brings in the Sunday law, he will never be the "Michael" addressed by Daniel 12:1. Never.

Selah.

Green Cochoa.

Why do you say that? You say 2=4 because your presumed prophecy didn't match math, so since trump is not being impeached, why not recalculate your prophecy to be something else?

You can't have it both ways, Henry.

Green,

Truth from error is often difficult to discern. The counterfeit is so close to the truth that Christ said something like: If it were not for the Spirit of God giving discernment, the very elect might be deceived.

My replies thus far have been honest answers to honest questions. I would not have spoken so much to the point in this phase of the study (before all of the facts were established from a study of history, the Bible and the Spirit of prophecy) except those questions were asked and in all honesty, they could not be ignored.

If you have truth that contradicts what I have written, please share it with me that I may see my error.

The Spirit of prophecy that you shared above is true. If it were a message that is to be applied to those in Laodicea, there are two classes in that church of Laodicea: One class that is approved of God and another that thinks that they see things as they really are, while Christ calls them BLIND. That poses a problem: The blind think that they see. How then are the blind to know that they are the blind while thinking that they are the ones that see or the sighted to bring light to the blind, who do not know that they are the blind?

Jesus said that the wheat and tares would grow together until the harvest. Does He intend that to be the case in the Church of Laodicea?

I accept the reference in Daniel 12 about Michael as relating to Christ. BUT I now see that there is a counterfeit Michael in that passage as well. So should the truth about Michael/Christ be allowed to conceal everything else in the passage that God has placed there for those who are about to enter the Time of Trouble?

Truth will prevail and false teachings will be seen as the errors that they are that Satan has designed to deceive the very elect. It would be sad for you to cast your shadow over a study that is seeking truth. The word of God will do the work that He has appointed it to do.

This is a warning that we would do well to heed that it should not be said of any of us:

Ellen G. White

Ellen G. White and her writings influenced Christianity worldwide. Eyewitnesses reported a miraculous Bible study when she held a large family Bible up with one hand and turned the pages with the other while looking Heavenward. She would point to a specific text and say it aloud, and then she would turn to another text while still looking away and repeat the process until the study was done.

In 1970, Ellen’s grandson, Arthur White, told me about that miracle and the testimony of those who had seen it. He showed me the very Bible that Ellen had held up. It was more like an unabridged dictionary than a Bible that we use today.

How could a woman of average size hold a heavy Bible up like that? It must have weighed about as much as three gallons of milk; being held high to one side with one hand while her head was turned heavenward; while pointing to the texts and quoting them verbatim. There is no comparison.

In addition to this manifestation of the Holy Spirit in the life of Ellen White, her relationship with the Lord allowed her to be used mightily. Could she have been a prophetess?

Google her. Some who have rejected Ellen White speak negatively of her appearance and criticize her in other ways. Notice how her Christian life and writings have blessed society: With good health through hospitals like Loma Linda, education through the Seventh-day Adventist school system that circles the globe, sound Bible teachings that exalt Jesus, and prosperity by showing folks how to better themselves in fulfillment of God’s word: “Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth” (3 John 1:2). Ellen White gave meaning to Peter’s instruction to Christians, “whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation” (1 Peter 2:12).

God wants us to know what is for our best interest. He sends us prophecy to guide us and people to instruct us.

Nothing in the Bible forbids Ellen White from being a prophetess. If her prophetic insights agree with the Bible, failing to read and heed her writings is like ignoring the speed limit while speeding past a highway patrol car.

I agree with your assessment of Henry (aka His Child & Charity???)'s prognostications. They are like the mist of the morning which appears beautiful but dissipates into nothing in the bright light of day. Therefore, they are harmless and only represent a proclivity for notoriety, given that their meanings frequently and shamelessly change and shift and update and finally get thrown in the bin. The best argument against them is not denunciation or erasure or excommunication, but time.

You would do well to simply allow others to engage him in conversation which would make those debates the footnote to his posts that they do not represent the truth or at least, the ideas espoused by Maritime SDA.

As I've said a million times before, Roman Catholicism by any other name (e.g. SDA) is just as tasteless. The resort to deletion and banning is tantamount to silencing the conscience. You begin to indicate to others that your end is nigh and the door of your coffin is about to be sealed. You begin to see in Mike Pence, Michael the Archangel. Look at the tattered reputation of Henry the Great (aka His Child and Charity???). Do you also want to go down that road in a bubble of echoes divorced from reality?

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The Message of Prophecy

What is the final message of mercy to the world Henry? That Pense will be president? Nope. It is not about humans, it is about God. John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

It is the darkness of misapprehension of God that is enshrouding the world. Men are losing their knowledge of His character. It has been misunderstood and misinterpreted. At this time a message from God is to be proclaimed, a message illuminating in its influence and saving in its power. His character is to be made known. Into the darkness of the world is to be shed the light of His glory, the light of His goodness, mercy, and truth. {COL 415.3}
 
This is the work outlined by the prophet Isaiah in the words, "O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and His arm shall rule for Him; behold, His reward is with Him, and His work before Him." Isa_40:9-10. {COL 415.4}
 
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love. The children of God are to manifest His glory. In their own life and character they are to reveal what the grace of God has done for them. {COL 415.5}
 
The light of the Sun of Righteousness is to shine forth in good works--in words of truth and deeds of holiness. {COL 416.1}
 
Christ, the outshining of the Father's glory, came to the world as its light. He came to represent God to men, and of Him it is written that He was anointed "with the Holy Ghost and with power," and "went about doing good." Acts 10:38. In the synagogue at Nazareth He said, "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord." Luke 4:18-19. This was the work He commissioned His disciples to do. "Ye are the light of the world," He said. "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Matthew 5:14; Matthew 5:16. {COL 416.2}

That is the message.

Finding Vice President Pence in prophecy doesn't make sense to me mainly because it implies Jesus could not have returned "ere this". Whereas it is evident to me the stage has been set for Jesus to return at any time since shortly after 1844. I believe one of the main reasons (perhaps the only reason) Jesus hasn't returned yet is because His Chosen People have not embraced the righteousness by faith lifestyle.

Mike,

Perhaps it is a little less complicated than you might think.

For example: The 42 months in Revelation 13 was fulfilled from 538-1798. Thus Christ could have come as prophesied after that prophecy was fulfilled. But we were not prepared for His coming. Thus He allowed that which had been to be repeated. And once the prophecy began to be repeated that which has been is to be again until the appointed time when the Lord will not allow any more delay.

Food for thought.

Prophetic Ignorance

It makes a difference to us if we place the fulfillment of Bible prophecy in the past, the present, or the future. To correctly understand Bible prophecy, it must be in the right time placement. There are prophecies that have been fulfilled in the past that will have their final or complete fulfillment before Jesus Returns. But giving prophecies a secondary fulfillment when it is commonly thought that the prophecy has been fulfilled poses problems. Some people will not accept multiple fulfilments after they believe that the prophecy has been fulfilled, and some overlook the specifics relating to a prophecy that may not have been completely fulfilled, while believing that that prophecy has been fulfilled. Its pending fulfillment can be overlooked entirely. Or while looking for prophetic fulfillment in the future, its past fulfillment can be overlooked.

Years ago, M. E. Cornell wrote: “When a prophecy is applied in the right place, there will be a perfect fitness in the application. And when not rightly applied, there will not be a perfect fulfillment of all the specifications laid down.”

A. T. Jones offered this insight: “It has been a proverb that ‘history repeats itself.’ And in that lies the truth that history is in itself prophecy which conveys to the careful and wise student instruction and admonitions concerning important movements in his own day and nation.”

Bible prophecies must be evaluated thoroughly and honestly. It is dangerous not to do this. If personal opinions or traditions determine the meaning of Bible prophecy apart from the Bible, misunderstandings will result. Historically, a misunderstanding of the meaning of the cleansing of the Sanctuary skewed Bible prophetic understanding in 1843 and 44. That misunderstanding caused some of those, who were waiting for Christ’s return in glory, to turn away from Him. Though more Bible study cleared up the error, it was too late for many who had misunderstood the Present Truth before all of the facts were known. History has repeated itself.

By faith, will we believe the prophetic evidence that God has revealed for our day; the Present Truth that is about to happen or as it happens? When prophecy is fulfilled before our very eyes, will we believe that God knows what is for our best interest, and will we follow where God is leading? Or will we ignore God and explain away Present Truth by claiming to get our prophetic understanding from the Bible, the word of God, and ignore the media reports that confirm that His word is being fulfilled! Will we do our own thing; only to learn too late the consequences of rebelling against God and the messages that He sends to bless us?

Before Jesus was born, God provided more than enough evidence to confirm His sure word that foretold Christ’s First Advent. When Jesus came, the Jews had prophecy fulfilled: The testimony of the shepherds that had heard and seen Heaven’s angels and the holy child, the magi, the testimony of God’s two faithful servants in the temple, John’s witness at Christ’s baptism, Christ’s life, His miracles, and His resurrection. Though all of this declared Jesus to be the promised Messiah, who fulfilled prophecy, very few believed.

Though God had given ample evidence before Christ’s birth to identify Jesus, Israel’s leading men did not accept Him as the Messiah even after He fulfilled Bible prophecy exactly on time! Nor did they cooperate with Heaven to give the gospel message to the world. Will we fail as they failed?

We have the endtime Present Truth that declares Prophecy Fulfilled! Pope Benedict XVI arose at the appointed time, continued for a short space, and resigned at the time appointed of Heaven; there are now two living popes (with a 3rd soon to come); and (spiritually speaking) ISIS has dried the Euphrates River up (cf Revelation 16:12). This will climax when the 7 last plagues are poured out upon the world.

Very few people anticipated that the short space in Revelation 17 related to Pope Benedict XVI. How do we know that endtime popes or presidents are revealed in Bible prophecy? As this study continues, the Scriptures will reveal the Present Truth that is essential for us to understand.

Present Truth IS challenging traditional teachings that have failed to see popes in endtime Bible prophecy: In spite of the fact that traditional Bible studies recognize that a pope is linked to the plucking up of three horns in Daniel 7. Will we examine the facts or choose to cling to unreliable notions that have lingered like the popular ideas of Israel’s leaders in Christ’s Day, who rejected Jesus? Can we expect a different outcome if we have the same mindset as those, who refused to honestly consider evidence that did not fit their beliefs?

The problem is not Bible prophecy. The problem is that man’s prophetic speculations have become more trusted than the prophecies. Instead of teaching Bible Truths, speculation is taught as truth. Because man has taken Bible prophecy out of context, prophetic chains have been forged that are not inspired. Bible study has evolved into a study of man’s speculations and assumptions about what the Bible means instead of letting the Bible explain itself.

We must compare Scripture with Scripture to learn the meaning of Bible prophecy. Supplemental explanations of these prophecies can be a blessing if they are correct, but they are: Useless apart from the Bible. For supplemental teachings to have merit, they must align with Bible prophecy. They must be reviewed and revised frequently or else they will stand fast when prophecy moves. Light from the word of God moves; we must follow it or be found in darkness. Man’s opinions cannot be held so dogmatically that they have supremacy over God’s word.

Though Jesus promises to meet our needs, it is our duty to search for and to accept that which He provides in His word; but instead of searching the Bible for Present Truth, some are dependent on a pastor. They expect him to do their Bible study for them. How can anyone that does not value Christ enough to study His word, be ready to meet Him?



That mindset held sway for centuries when Bibles were chained to the pulpits. People depended upon priests to explain God’s word: It got so misconstrued that tradition and rituals usually superseded it. In fact, religious confusion stifled the intellect for 1260 years: Those were the Dark Ages.

If we aren't ready this time, then we can safely say we have 42 more months? It's only repeated twice and not 2+2 times?

OCD perhaps?

Rightly Dividing God’s Word

What do you know? When did you learn it? Was it something that someone taught you or something that you learned through diligent research? (Both have their place.)

In 2011, from studying the book of Revelation, I learned that Benedict XVI would not be pope in 2013. I tweeted that insight eight times from September 2011 to September 2012











With each successive tweet, my ever-growing awareness expanded. Though I understood that the prophecy identified the short duration of Benedict’s reign, there was much that I did not fully understand until the prophecy was fulfilled.

I was unaware that Steve Quayle and Tom Horn also said that Pope Benedict XVI would leave office before the fact. We came to the same conclusion quite differently: I studied Daniel and Revelation, while they used the Malachy list, “published by a Benedictine monk Arnold Wion in 1595.” Wion was a contemporary of Nostradamus (1503-1566). Note Ellen White’s comment and the timing of Wion’s publication:

Were you expecting Benedict XVI to leave office before it happened in 2013? Satan was! He understood it in the 16th century (1595). Was your pastor or tv guru teaching the Present Truth to prepare you for what is ahead? Are they prayerfully studying Bible prophecy to learn what is coming? Or are they relying on erroneous prophetic teachings?

Without some understanding of the meaning of Bible prophecy, it would have been impossible for me to accurately tweet before Benedict XVI resigned that he has a short time left (9/3/11 & May 2012); that 2012 is his last year (March & April 2012); that his time ends before May 2013 (July 2012); and he might last till spring 2013 (9/30/12). The more I prayerfully study prophecy, the more I understand it. My knowledge increased! Benedict was a short timer. His last year to head the papacy was 2012. He resigned before May 2013, and he did not last in office until the spring 2013.

After I partially understood Pope Benedict XVI’s place in Bible prophecy, and declared the prophetic fulfilment before it came about, a friend dogmatically told me “Popes are not in Bible prophecy!” If that friend’s understanding were true, it would not be written “I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things” (Daniel 7:8).

Another friend advised: “Prophecy isn’t so much about us seeing the future, but when it comes to pass, we can know God is in charge and believe.” How can the fulfillment of prophecy confirm our belief that God is in charge if we do not at least partially grasp the meaning of Bible prophecy when it is fulfilled? Though God revealed that Benedict XVI would only continue for a short space, centuries before he reigned, who could know that Pope Benedict XVI fulfilled prophecy if they did not have any idea that the prophecy was about him? And with Satan’s counterfeit prophecy being so close to Bible prophecy, how are we to discern what really is TRUTH?

Both friends were explaining away something that they did not understand rather than to look a little closer. All would do well to guard our influence for God’s cause or our influence will not be “in union with the Spirit and work of God.” Those who fail on this point “are not going forward but backward. The opinions of unbelievers are having too great an influence” upon our minds. Everything of a character to cause our brethren to be diverted from the very points now essential for this time should be kept in the background.

Truth or Fake News?
Though Quale and Horn did get Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation right, they went on to make other predictions that are quite popular today, but contrary to sound doctrine. Thus, biblical truth is battling counterfeit truth: Fake News!

Truth Skewed by Tradition?

How can God’s people be sure that they are rightly dividing the word of truth with so many counterfeit and contradictory teachings existing? All of it cannot be right.

Christ’s Coming in 1843 sounded right to thousands, but He did not come. “The same evidence which they had presented to show that the prophetic periods closed in 1843, proved that they would terminate in 1844.” Christ did not come in 1844 either: Wrong again! “The 2300 days terminated in the year 1844, and that the great event represented by the cleansing of the sanctuary must then take place.”

God led the waiting Advent believers (the Adventists) with time prophecies in the past (1843 & 1844). Rejecting time prophecies after 1844 is forgetting how God has led His people in the past! Forgetting how God leads His people will have terrible consequences in the future! “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee” (Hosea 4:6).


Infallibility of prophetic understanding was not how God led His people in 1843 & 44. It is not how God is leading us now. Those, who expect to grasp everything, without any misunderstandings along the way, will be disappointed.
The 1843 & 44 studies were not completely right, nor were they completely wrong: Those insights were what had been revealed from studying God’s word at the time (tainted by tradition). When Christ did not come, the Adventists restudied the Bible, and God revealed more truth about the Sanctuary: But it could only be proved by faith. After knowledge increased about heaven’s Sanctuary, unbelievers called it backpedaling, and others set dates in the future.

Finding Truth
William Miller, the Baptist Minister behind the Great Advent Awakening, discovered the 1843-44 dates from the time prophecy in Daniel 8:14. He wondered when the 2300 days were to begin. He had learned that a day in Bible prophecy can be a year. Daniel 9 revealed the starting-point.

Can we find when the decree to restore Jerusalem was issued? The first Babylonian siege of Jerusalem was in the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah (605 BC), when God gave Jerusalem to King Nebuchadnezzar (cf Daniel 1:1-2). Jeremiah also prophesied, “After seventy years be accomplished at Babylon, I will visit you…to return to this place” (Jeremiah 29:10, ed). Babylon’s 605 BC conquest of Jerusalem, would last until 535 BC.



Jerusalem fell........................605 BC
..........................................-70 years
The captivity ends...................535 BC


A hundred years before Jerusalem fell, before the Jews went into captivity, Isaiah had prophesied of the reign of King Cyrus and of the Restoration. Cyrus fulfilled the prophecy:

But HC, how I wish you really read those quotes you are posting, for they do not support your method of prophetic interpretation.



Are your interpretations looking at the prophecies that have been fulfilled and studying the history of their fulfillment and from that history realizing something about the last days?
OR -- is your interpretation ignoring history, and taking the fulfilled prophecies and making them new prophecies predicting something completely different?

For example:

The prophecies on the French Revolution
We find EGW saying that history will be repeated.

What I see you doing is taking the prophecy and figuring out some sequence of presidents and vice presidents, that seems to be central theme of your so called "present truth" .. (what I'm remembering at the moment is the Gore/Clinton scenario -- and I confess after being exposed to your interpretations for over 20 years, I do sometimes get them mixed up, but I do know they've failed time and time again, it's only Benedicts resignation that happened to actually occur, but that's a VERY low percentage.)

But back to the prophecies on the French Revolution --

What is the context of EGW's words that "history is to be repeated", in regards to Rev. 11 and the French Revolution?

" The Lord calls for His people to locate away from the cities, ....Let all who would understand the meaning of these things read the eleventh chapter of Revelation."

She's not saying, reinterpret Rev. 11 to determine who will be the last president, etc. -- NO! she is saying reflect on what happened in unhappy France, think about WHY it happened, for the same THINGS will happen again.

" Unhappy France reaped in blood the harvest she had sown. Terrible were the results of her submission to the controlling power of Rome. GC88, 282)

Same pattern will be repeated.
When countries (like the USA) submit to the controlling power of Rome, terrible will be the results.

The people of the United States have been a favored people; but when they restrict religious liberty, surrender Protestantism, and give countenance to popery, the measure of their guilt will be full, and "national apostasy" will be registered in the books of heaven. The result of this apostasy will be national ruin. {Mar 216.2}

Ever wonder how the "ten horns" turn on the "woman" in Revelation 17 -- just study history -- what happened in France.

Yes, we need to open our eyes to what's going on in the world today. But don't turn the waymarks of prophecy into totally new and different prophecies and go looking for some president -- rather study how these prophecies were forfilled in the past -- the THINGS, that happened then will be repeated --

See how the very THINGS that took place in history are being brought back today and gaining acceptance and power.
Those who forget HISTORY and don't learn from it are going to repeat it.

That history will repeat, no matter what man happens to be in the president's chair. It will be PEOPLE themselves, and leaders within the population -- that agitate, (are already openly agitating) the coming crises.
Just study Rev. 11 and the commentary on it in Great Controversy chapter 15.

AND get out of the big cities --

But most important, seek first the kingdom of God and all His righteousness.

dedication,
I am expecting you and everyone on this forum, who is spiritually minded to help me see what I am missing if at any point along the way I miss something in the prophetic chain. After all that is one of the reasons that we "study together" rather than going off by ourselves solo as we "seek first the kingdom of God and all His righteousness."

thus we continue:

Temple Destroyed in Long Time

After King Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonian, had captured Jerusalem twice, Ezekiel prophesied of the 3rd and final fall: “The city, [even] Jerusalem lay siege against it…I have appointed…each day for a year” (Ezekiel 4:1, 3, 6, ed).

In Ezekiel’s prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, God appointed a day to symbolize a year, which is called long time. Daniel cited long time in his prophecy: “A thing was revealed unto Daniel…and the thing was true, but the time appointed was long…the vision is for many days” (Daniel 10:1, 14, ed).

In fulfillment of Ezekiel’s long time/day for a year prophecy, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon besieged and captured Jerusalem the third time. He destroyed the Temple as Ezekiel had prophesied years earlier. Since the Temple’s destruction was linked to long time/a day for a year, its restoration must also be linked to long time/a day for a year.

The Temple in Jerusalem was essential to the Plan of Salvation. The sanctuary services performed in it included sinners offering sacrifices to atone for their sins, the priests offering morning and evening sacrifices daily, and the High Priest cleansing the Sanctuary yearly; thus, indicating that God forgave His people and removed the records of their sins from the Sanctuary. It was a big deal! King David understood the importance of God’s Sanctuary.



The Babylonian destruction of Solomon’s Temple was a big deal too. How would God’s people seek forgiveness without a Temple in Jerusalem and its Sanctuary Services? When Solomon dedicated the Temple, his prayer gave some insight into its importance:

70 years Doubled

The state of the Sanctuary/Temple and Jerusalem concerned Daniel. It must have given him hope when the Lord revealed: “[Unto] two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed” (Daniel 8:14). But there was no Sanctuary in Jerusalem to cleanse. Thus, there was much that Daniel could not understand, and that he still wanted to know.

Unto is not in the original text of Daniel 8:14. The word after could easily have been used: After two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

In spite of the 70 years being fulfilled and in spite of King Cyrus’ decree being issued on time, the Temple was in ruins, Jerusalem had not yet been rebuilt and many Jews remained in Babylon. The prophecies were not yet completely fulfilled, for the Lord had also said:



Jerusalem fell.............................605 BC
70 years doubled........................-140 years
Temple built/Captivity ends............465 BC

The 70 years of Jewish captivity that had ended in the reign of Cyrus were doubled to 140 years from the 605 BC fall of Jerusalem to 465 BC, King Artaxerxes’ ascension year, when he finished his father’s official Last Year. According to Babylonian and Persian custom: A king ruled from New Year’s Day in March to the next New Year’s Day. Thus, there was a brief tarrying time between the end of the 140 years and the beginning of Artaxerxes’ reign. Counting from 464 BC (King Artaxerxes’ First Year), Ezra “came to Jerusalem in the fifth month, which [was] in the seventh year of the king…on the first [day] of the fifth month came he to Jerusalem” (Ezra 7:8-9, ed).

The Temple had been finished “on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius” (Ezra 6:15). But the prophecies were not completely fulfilled, as Ezra explained, “The elders of the Jews builded …and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia” (6:14, ed).

If the prophecy had been completely fulfilled when the Temple was finished in the reign of King Darius, the decree of Artaxerxes would not have been needed. His decree, that fulfilled the prophecy, was issued in 457 BC.

For Bible prophetic calculations, a year has 360 days. Based on Daniel 8:14, the 2300-day prophecy [2300÷360] was 6 years, 4 months, and 20 days. Thus, 6 years and 4 months into Artaxerxes’ reign, Ezra arrived in Jerusalem on the 1st day of the 5th month, which was 19 days before the literal 2300-day prophecy ended. Thus, after 2300 literal days were fulfilled in King Artaxerxes’ 7th year, the rebuilt Sanctuary in Jerusalem was cleansed on the Day of Atonement in 457 BC according to the king’s decree:

Artaxerxes decree linked the cleansing of the rebuilt Sanctuary to Judgment. At the end of the 140 years and the literal 2300 days, this decree more completely fulfilled the prophecy than the earlier decrees of Cyrus and Darius. But the 457 BC cleansing of the Sanctuary did not completely fulfill every condition in Daniel 8:14. The word translated as cleansed means: To be put or made right, be justified. This cleansing of the Sanctuary did not completely make the Sanctuary right, because it had to be cleansed yearly.

The 2300-year Prophecy

The 457 BC cleansing of the Sanctuary foreshadows a more complete final fulfillment of Daniel 8:14 that occurs at the end of 2300 years, which in turn foreshadows a more complete final fulfillment. The Temple in heaven will be completely cleansed, only when Jesus stands and declares:



...................................2300 years
Starting...........................-457 BC
Ending.............................1843 AD




Does the same evidence about the 2300-year prophecy that began in 457 BC and ended in 1843 prove that it will end in 1844? For the same evidence to prove both dates to be true, the 2300-years must have more than one fulfillment.

When Christ did not come in 1843, when the 2300 years were fulfilled, the Adventists assumed that the date was the error rather than the event, which was the real problem because of the traditional view that the earth was the sanctuary. They went back to the Bible to learn that when BC changed to AD, there was no year zero. When the missing year was added, the prophecy ended in 1844. Therefore, the 2300-year prophecy that had one start date, had two end dates. Further Bible study revealed that the sanctuary that was to be cleanse was in Heaven.

70 x 7 weeks/years allotted to Jews.................490 years
Starting...................................................-457 BC
490 years ended...........................................33 AD
No year zero between BC/AD...........................+1
Stoning of Stephen/gospel to the gentiles............34 AD
2300-490=years remaining...........................+1810 years
2300 years ended.......................................1844 AD

It is like friends in Nashville and Chattanooga (separated by a time zone) doing lunch at noon. The time zone must be specified or one may be an hour early or an hour late. From the BC perspective, the 2300 years ended in 1843. From the AD perspective (on the other side of the time zone), they ended in 1844. Thus, both dates are correct and important.

The 2300 days were fulfilled twice in long time, i.e., the 2300 years ran concurrently from 457 BC to end in 1843 & 1844. They had a partial fulfillment when they ended the first time in 1843, and a more complete fulfillment, when they ended the second time in 1844: The final long-time fulfillment began and ended on the Day of Atonement.


God’s timing is perfect! From 605 BC, the 70 years that Jeremiah prophesied were doubled: The 140 years ended in 465 BC. A tarrying time intervened. After 2300 days; the rebuilt Sanctuary was cleansed as Daniel had prophesied. Thus, God established 457 BC to end the Temple’s desolation and to start the 2300-year countdown to 1843 and 1844 AD with a brief tarrying time included to try the faithful. Thus, God made an allowance for the transition between BC and AD. In 1844, in the fulfillment of the 2300 years of Daniel 8:14, Christ stood for His people, and the cleansing of the Sanctuary in heaven began. God’s word was and is True.

Repeated Prophecy is Fulfilled Again!

God gave His people prophetic time to lead them step-by-step to 1844. Seeing how God led His people in the past, should we expect Him to lead us differently now?

History confirms that the prophecy of Daniel 8:14 repeated itself. This prophecy has been fulfilled multiple times. From the same evidence, i.e., from the same prophecy that God fulfilled the 2300 literal days in 457 BC; God ended this long time (day for a year prophecy) in 1843 and again in 1844. To deny that God fulfilled Daniel 8:14 twice in long time (once in 1843 and again in 1844), is to deny the tarrying time. The beginning date of the tarrying time (1843) and its ending date (1844) confirms: God’s word is true!



Jesus/Michael stood to confess His people before His Father and His angels in heaven (Revelation 3:5) in 1844 at the end of the 2300 years when the Investigative Judgment began. This partially fulfilled Daniel 12:1 (Michael shall stand), only partially, because the Great Time of Trouble did not begin in 1844. When Daniel 12:1 meets its final complete fulfillment, Christ will again stand to declare: It is done, as the final Great Time of Trouble is engulfing the world.





[1] WLF 12.4, ed

Prophetic Time



What expected event? Christ’s Second Advent! What is the spirit of the world that is affecting their moorings?

In the writings of Ellen White, she ALWAYS uses the terms definite time and prophetic time in the context of Christ’s Second Coming. This prophetic time ended in Revelation 10: “The angel standing with one foot on the sea, proclaiming with a most solemn oath that time should be no longer. This time which the angel declares … reaches to the autumn of 1844…in regard to the time of the advent of our Lord…”[3] “Prophetic time…for the coming of the Lord.”[4]

What is the spirit of the world that was overcoming the disappointed ones? The world denies all time prophecy.

The longest prophetic time in the Bible that identifies Christ’s Coming was fulfilled in 1844. If Christ had come, the prophetic time that foretold His Coming would have met its perfect fulfillment. The term prophetic time, as White used it, NEVER means all time prophecies. Prophetic time is time prophecy that gives the definite time of Christ’s Coming. After 1844, there are no messages in the Bible of prophetic time that gives the definite time of Christ’s Coming.





White’s statement: With no time proclamation to intervene between the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 and the time of the Lord’s coming, is being confused with the world’s view that places all time proclamation on the same level. In context, she clearly intended the term time proclamation to mean the definite time of the Lord’s coming. She is saying that no proclamation of the definite time of Christ’s coming is to intervene between the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 and the Lord’s Coming. White NEVER cites prophetic time as meaning all time prophecy. Yet even authorities, who diligently study her writings, have confused her view about no prophetic time with the world’s view about all time prophecy. White’s view of the ending of prophetic time in 1844 cannot be understood correctly without understanding that White used the term prophetic time to mean the definite time of Christ’s Coming; not as the world, as: All time prophecy.

Since White repeatedly dealt with people, who were setting times for Christ’s Coming, she wrote quite a bit of counsel warning of their error. That counsel has been misunderstood and misapplied to all time prophecy.





In context, White is warning: Regarding time setting, there will never again be a message for the people of God that will be based on the definite time either for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit or for the coming of Christ.

While assuring believers that there are no other time prophecies giving the definite time of Christ’s Coming, White focused on true time prophecies that were founded on solid Bible study. But while rebuking time setters, did White teach (as some believe) that ALL time prophecy stopped in 1844?



Likewise, White is not saying that Bible students never will give the correct day and date for the occurrence of unfulfilled prophecy. God has and will continue to send faithful Bible students to rightly divide the word of Truth.



Thus, the times in Revelation are definite, not mystical and unintelligible. God would have us to understand them.

Repeating the Time prophecy in Revelation 13






When the scenes in Revelation 13 repeat, they are not isolated from the 42 months. Hold that thought for a moment. The Bible explains itself about the meaning of this time prophecy of the deadly wound and going into captivity.

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[1] GC88 439.2, ed


[2] 4SP 396.2

The Counterfeit

The rise of the papacy counterfeited Christ’s anointing. This is what happened: The three horns of Daniel 7 were plucked up. Alaric I led the Visigoths’ invasion of the Western Roman Empire. The Arian Heruli invasion followed, under King Odoacer, who deposed Romulus Augustulus, the Western Emperor, in 476 AD. When Odoacer began moving toward the Eastern Roman Empire, its Emperor, Zeno, made the Arian king of the Ostrogoths, Theodoric the Great, the king of Italy. To secure his grasp on Italy, he fought the Heruli and killed King Odoacer. Soon after that (506 AD), the Arian, King Clovis (the Frank) became a Catholic.[1] After he renounced Arianism, only three of the ten tribes that had invaded the Western Roman Empire retained their Arian Christian beliefs: the Visigoths, Vandals, and Ostrogoths.

After Alaric I died. King Clovis of France, attacked Alaric II; thus, beginning the war upon which “the prevalence of the Catholic or the Arian creed in Western Europe depended.”[2] When Alaric II, the king of Spain, died during the war, his illegitimate son, Gesalic, succeeded him as the king of the Visigoths. In the meantime, King Theodoric, who was Alaric II’s father-in-law and grandfather of Alaric’s other son (Prince Amalaric), sent an army from Rome in 508[3] to help the Visigoths defeat the Franks. Theodoric’s army deposed Gesalic, who fled to North Africa to get help from the Vandals to regain his kingdom.

Thus, in 508, Theodoric (an ally of the Eastern Roman Emperor) plucked up the Arian king, Gesalic, to secure the Visigoth throne for his grandson, Prince Amalaric. The 508 victory over King Gesalic begins the 30-year countdown to the rise of the papacy that counterfeited Christ’s 30 years before He was anointed as the Messiah.

On April 7, 529, the Eastern Emperor, Justinian, issued a draft of Codex Justiniani. It began mingling Church and state. “The provisions…influenced the Canon Law of the church since…the church lives under Roman law.”[4]

Shortly thereafter, the king of the Vandals, Hilderic, became a Catholic. When his Arian cousin, Gelimer, deposed him, the Eastern Roman Army invaded North Africa:



King Gelimer was the 2nd horn plucked up by the pope’s allies in the 30 years between 508—538. The king of the Goths was soon to be the third horn to be plucked up in 538.

After Theodoric the Great died, his daughter, Queen Amalasuntha (an ally of Emperor Justinian) merged the Goths into Roman society. The Gothic nobility opposed giving up their culture. Her husband and son died. To keep her throne, she was compelled to appoint a male figurehead, King Theodahad. He seized power and banished her. Meanwhile, Emperor Justinian (Codex Justiniani 534) made the pope, John II (533-535), the head of all the churches.



The title Augustus signified that the Eastern Roman Emperor, Justinian, considered himself to be Pontifex Maximus/High Priest Emperor, the head of church and state. Justinian as ever Augustus, head of church and state, made it clear that the Bishop of Rome/the pope, John II was his subordinate. Justinian clearly intended that the pope: 1) Receive honor, 2) Take charge of all the churches, 3) Extend his influence to the orient, 4) Institute doctrines for the entire church, and 5) To have his authority increased.

After Justinian had put all of the churches under Pope John II and had given him authority as his subordinate, John II died. Agapetus became pope. Queen Amalasuntha was assassinated, and King Theodahad pleaded with Pope Agapetus to go to Constantinople to pacify Justinian.[7] Agapetus died in Constantinople, and Silverius was “made pope through the influence of the King of the Goths.”[8] After Theodahad had meddled with the selection of Pope Silverius, Emperor Justinian reasserted his authority over the Catholic Church in Rome: The court at Constantinople gave Vigilius 700 pounds of gold and sent him to Rome to be pope.

In the meantime, Justinian’s Army had returned to Italy from plucking up King Gelimer, in Africa. King Theodahad was killed. The Ostrogoths made Witigis king. He left Rome to fetch Theodoric’s granddaughter, Matasuntha to be his wife. When he got back to Rome, the Eastern Roman Army was camped outside the city: He attacked it. Pope Silverius subsequently allowed Justinian’s army to enter Rome. General Belisarius then turned on Silverius and installed Vigilius as pope. General Belisarius broke Witigis’ siege of Rome in 538 and captured him. King Witigis apparently died in Constantinople. As Daniel prophesied, three horns were plucked up: Kings Gesalic (Visigoth), Gelimer (Vandal), and Witigis (Ostrogoth). They were the first Germanic tribes of the original ten that accepted Arian Christianity, and the final three that opposed Catholicism.



Then Pope Vigilius (the head of the Roman Catholic Church) was enabled to implement the Eastern Roman Emperor’s plans as set forth in Codex Justiniani.



As much as God would allow, the papacy counterfeited Christ’s life and ministry. As Jesus lived for 30 years before being anointed, the papacy gradually increased in favor with men for 30 years from 508-538. As Jesus had victory over three temptations before beginning His ministry, the papacy’s allies plucked up three Arian kings to enable the pope to be anointed as a subordinate of the state. As Christ’s ministry continued for 3.5 years/1260 days, the papacy reigned 1260 years (with a day being symbolic of a year) from 538 to 1798. Then the papacy received its deadly wound.

As the rise and reign of the papacy counterfeited times and aspects in Christ’s life and ministry, it counterfeited Christ’s deadly wound: Jesus recovered from His death at His resurrection when He came back to life.

Jesus was betrayed by a friend. Likewise, the French had befriended the papacy and had been foremost in fighting for the pope’s supremacy: They betrayed Pope Pius VI. As Jesus was jailed, Pius VI was taken captive. Jesus was taken on Thursday and died Friday. Pope Pius VI was jailed in 1798 and died in 1799. Jesus rested in his tomb on Sabbath. There was not a pope for the balance of 1799: The papacy rested. Jesus rose on Sunday, the first day of the new week. Pope Pius VII was installed in 1800, the first year of the new century. Prophecy was fulfilled: The papacy counterfeited Christ’s deadly wound that was healed!
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[1] Some scholars date Clovis’ baptism 496, 506, or as late as 508


[2] https://openlibrary.org/books/OL23435375M [The Franks, from Their First Appearance in History to the Death of King Pepin, 1857, WC Perry] p. 85 Cf The Merovingian Kingdoms 450-751, Ian Wood, p. 47


[3] http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/siege_arles_507.html


[4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Byzantine_Empire/Selected_article, ed


[5] http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h01const.htm, ed


[6] Codex Justiniani, lib. 1, tit. 1; translation given by R. F. Littledale, The Petrine Claims, p. 293


[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Agapetus_I#cite_ref-6


[8] http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15427b.htm, “Pope Vigilius”


[9] Advent Review, and Sabbath Herald. September 21, 1886, Periodical Issue, Seventh-day Adventist Publishing Association Triumph of Christianity 1


[10] YI, September 22, 1903 par. 6

Pray tell:

• What does all of this have to do with the threat of Trump's impeachment?

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Any mistakes along the way, they will impact the conclusion.

It is my sincere prayer that you and all will find the mistakes (if there are any) so that the correct conclusion will be seen for what it is.

Put it in a nutshell.

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Took out the fluff. This is the best I can do right now.

Repeated Time Prophecy is Fulfilled

White acknowledged that the papacy had counterfeited Christ’s 1260 days of ministry during the 1260 years of papal supremacy from 538 to 1798. She stated: “Pius VI…the pope specified in prophecy…received the deadly wound.”[1] White later wrote that the Revelation 13:5, 3, & 10 were to be fulfilled in the future.

Yes, White wrote that the time in Revelation 13:5 and the persecution in 13:11-12 would be repeated! Thus, after she wrote that Revelation 13:5, 3, & 10 had been fulfilled in the past, she also placed 13:5 (42 months), 13:10 (captivity, i.e., the deadly wound), and 13:3 (its healing) in the future:


Does White’s statement above really mean that the 42 months (13:5) will be repeated before Jesus Comes in glory? White did not just say that the events in Revelation 13 would be repeated. She wrote out the passage in longhand including the verse containing the time in the prophecy that is to be repeated when the prophecy has its final fulfillment!

Some allege that White said all time prophecy stopped in 1844. If that were so, White would not clearly place the final fulfillment of the 42 months (Revelation 13:5) in the last days. She made her position clear:

After 1844, White stated that the 42 months WILL SURELY TAKE PLACE in context: This will happen in the future… After 1844. This time prophecy is to have a final complete fulfillment. It has been fulfilled in recent history. (It will be examined in detail as this Bible study continues.)

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[1] 5MR 318.1, ed
[2] 19MR 282.1, ed
[3] William Fagal, Associate Director, Ellen G. White Estate, 12501 Old Columbia Pike, Silver Spring, MD 20904-6600 U.S.A.
[4] 7BC 979.10, ed

Did EGW really say what you allege that she said -- or is this a matter of quotes out of context? Let's see.


5MR 318.1 Is a diary of EGW's tour in France, in the building where Pius VI was held prisoner -- "We looked upon the bust of Pius VI. The marble statue beneath the bust contained the heart of the pope. This is the pope specified in prophecy, which received the deadly wound. He was carried captive to Valence, and we looked upon the tower where he was confined and where he died."

That reference says nothing, whatsoever, of a repeat prophecy or 1260 days.



Your reference comes from an article entitled "MR No. 1403 - Calamities and the Great Controversy"
It says nothing in that quote that anything would be repeated.

" In the last days Satan will appear as an angel of light, with great power and heavenly glory, and claim to be the Lord of the whole earth. He will declare that the Sabbath has been changed from the seventh to the first day of the week; and as lord of the first day of the week he will present this spurious sabbath as a test of loyalty to him. Then will take place the final fulfillment of the Revelator's prophecy. [Revelation 13:4-18, quoted.] {19MR 282.1}

In connection with this scripture, the entire fourteenth chapter of Revelation should be studied much by God's people. Verses nine to eleven bring to view the special message of warning against worshiping the beast and his image, and receiving his mark in the forehead or in the hand. This warning is to be given to the world by those who are mentioned in the twelfth verse as keeping "the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." {19MR 282.2}

We don't believe all of Revelation 13 and 14 has already been fulfilled so why should there be a "repeat".
We are still waiting for the complete fulfilment of those prophecies.
Since some has been fulfilled, it is fitting to say the final fulfilment (everything that will swell into the last final crises) will be fulfilled in the future, it's NOT a repeating prophecy, but a continuing prophecy reaching to the end.
The fully healed beast together with the second beast fulfill their roles in the prophecy. There's no repeating of prophecy, though the healed beast will help repeat the tyranny that was part of its history.
She quoted the whole chapter from verse 4 onward, she did NOT focus on verse 5 etc. she quote THE WHOLE THING (and as pointed out above -- much of Revelation 13 IS still future. -- So it is pure assumption to think she meant the 42 months would repeat, especially after all the many times she wrote that there would be NO MORE MESSAGE based on time.

"The periods here mentioned—“forty and two months,” and “a thousand two hundred and threescore days”—are the same, alike representing the time in which the church of Christ was to suffer oppression from Rome. The 1260 years of papal supremacy began with the establishment of the papacy in A. D. 538, and would therefore terminate in 1798. GC 266

"we would see the truth developing and expanding in lines of which we have little dreamed, but it will never develop in any line that will lead us to imagine that we may know the times and the seasons which the Father hath put in His own power. Again and again have I been warned in regard to time setting. There will never again be a message for the people of God that will be based on time. 1SM188




Not if you take the whole picture into view -- she was NOT talking about the 42 months in that quote --
You translate "final fulfulment" as "repeat fulfulment"

Whereas "final fulfulment" means the prophecy will come to it's final end -- The prophecy shows the build up to the final events which are still future, it's not talking about repeated prophecy. It is linear - not circular.

Dedication this is the gist of your false narrative. As shown in my previous post:



That quote says what it says.
The final fulfillment cannot be the first fulfillment from 538 to 1798, because the first is not the final. Having been in school, you know that the first test in a subject is followed by the final. They cover the same material at the beginning of the instruction and at the conclusion. They are different tests.

Whites second statement regarding Revelation 13 does not say that this entire chapter except the part relating to the time (42 months):



In an earlier post, I studied her statements about prophetic time before giving these examples from her writing of prophetic time that intervenes between 1844 and Christ's Advent. You may have missed it, but that material is available if you go back a few posts.

It is a matter of Reading EGW in context vs putting a traditional spin on her writings. She had to address this problem frequently.

Making White Contradict Herself

White is not contradicting herself: No time prophecy after 1844. People are misunderstanding and misinterpreting her statements to make her say what she did not say:





By changing the meaning of prophetic time from the definite time of Christ Coming as White used it, to mean all time prophecy, some teachers within the church have cut the church away from the anchorage of truth, and have set it adrift, to where it has received many sophistries that have arisen. Those who have been deceived by the idea that ALL time prophecy stopped in 1844 (a theory that contradicts the message that God has given through His servants after 1844) have removed a pillar of our faith. They are not doing the will of God. They are in darkness. They are casting their shadow upon the paths of others and blocking White’s writings from doing their appointed work as the lesser light.





People misunderstand White. They misquote her:











“There is nothing in the word of God to be thrown aside...”[10] “The Bible must be your counselor. Study it and the testimonies God has given; for they never contradict His Word.”[11] White’s statements agree with the Bible!

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[1] 10MR 311.2


[2] 4MR 247.2


[3] 9MR 23.2, ed


[4] 20MR 136.3


[5] 2MR 152.2, ed


[6] 1T 462.3, ed


[7] 21MR 428.1, ed


[8] 5MR 141.1, ed


[9] RH, March 2, 1886 par. 6, ed


[10] ST, June 3, 1886 par. 13, ed


[11] 3SM 32.3

It is very likely President Trump will be reelected.

Hey Mike,

Based on prophecies or personal opinions?

It is not outside the realm of possibility. If he does not start a war with Iran during this term, he can do it in his next term.

But my gut tells me that sudden destruction is closer at hand than 2020

I pray for him and us.

Prophetic Time After 1844

In context, Revelation 10:6 (there should be time no longer) explains prophetic time as it is used in Revelation after 1844, the year that the Adventists experienced the Great Disappointment: The year that Jesus did not Come! The year that ended the 2300-year prophecy. The year that Jesus stood for His people to confess them before His Father and His angels. Thus, the bitter/sweet book being eaten by John in vision in verse 10 is the portion of Daniel relating especially to the 2300 years, i.e., Daniel 8:14 & 11:2-12:1.



The time (2300 years) was specified in Daniel 8:14. Later, more details were given about time in chapter 9.

God had bidden His messenger: “Make this man to understand the vision.” That commission must be fulfilled. In obedience to it, the angel, some time after­ward, returned to Daniel, saying: “I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding;” “therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.” Daniel 8:27, 16; 9:22, 23, 25-27. There was one important point in the vision of chapter 8 which had been left unexplained, namely, that relating to time--the period of the 2300 days; therefore, the angel, in resuming his explanation, dwells chiefly upon the subject of time:[1]

Yes, Daniel 8:14 focused on the time/2300 years. Daniel 9 continued explaining time as it correlated the starting of the prophecy with historical events. Daniel 11:2 transitioned from time to the events that would take place during the 2300 years. It began with the three kings: Cyrus, Darius, & Artaxerxes, who would issue the decrees that had been foretold, and it predicted the important waymarks that would come to pass through the entire 2300 years until Daniel 12:1 was fulfilled when Christ stood for His people in 1844.



Thus, when Revelation 10:6 declares that there should be time no longer, it is a declaration that the long time/day for a year application of time in the 2300-day/year prophecy ended: The 2300 years were fulfilled! But the declaration in Revelation 10:11, Thou must prophesy again, is a command to the book of Daniel to repeat; including the prophecy 11:2-12:1 without the time/2300-day/year limitation.





The command to prophesy again (Revelation 10:11) is a command to repeat the prophecies in the book of Daniel. Since the book of Revelation is opening the book of Daniel, it is also being commanded to prophesy again. Thus, when the time prophecies in Revelation repeat, they are in literal time.





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[1] GC 325.2, ed


[2] RH, November 24, 1904 par. 8, ed The Day of the Lord is Near…


[3] 13MR 394.1, ed


[4] 1MR 99.3, ed


[5] 17MR 1.3, ed

HC: Hey Mike, based on prophecies or personal opinions? [/quote]
Definitely "gut feeling". The time prophecies brought us to 1844. The stage has been set ever since. Jesus could have returned ere this. We are on borrowed time. Once the church is ready for the Shaking (result of Sunday legislation and enforcement), Jesus will allow events to unfold that will end with His returning. Currently the Church is not ready. That's what we're supposed to be praying for. We need to believe faith works by love and purifies the soul and then . . .

The Kings of the North and South

Before the 2300-year prophecy had ended in 1844, William Miller recognized that the Kings of the North and South had become European powers. He linked them to “Spain, in the south, and Great Britain, in the north…” “Spain…joined the French.”[1] The Kings of the North and South had become Great Britain and France.



The French had been conquering Europe. General Berthier invaded Rome and captured Pope Pius VI. “In 1798 …a French army entered Rome, and made the pope a prisoner….”[2] “Pius VI…is the pope specified in prophecy, which received the deadly wound.”[3] “One of his heads as it were wounded to death” (Revelation 13:3). Prophetically speaking, France’s jailing the pope made the Roman Catholic Church the daughter of France, the King of the South.

Prophecy had identified the King of the South as Egypt. Though France claimed to be a friend of the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, and France had an envoy at Istanbul, Napoleon invaded Egypt (the King of the South), which was then an Ottoman province. Napoleon then claimed to have liberated the Egyptians from Ottoman oppression. His Egyptian victories had made France the King of the South in place of Egypt. Since Egypt was vital for England’s trade route with India, Napoleon’s Egyptian war endangered British interests as much or more than his wars in Europe.

Because France ruled the Mediterranean Sea and all of its European ports, the British fleet commanded by Admiral Nelson had been forced to harbor near the Gibraltar fortress. When the British located the French fleet anchored off the coast of Egypt, Nelson left the safety of Gibraltar, and crossed the Mediterranean in 30 days (whirlwind speed for sailing ships back then). This fulfilled Daniel 11:40: Nelson’s fleet sank the French fleet in the battle at Abuqir 1 August 1798 and it chased Napoleon along the Mediterranean coastline.

Without his fleet, Napoleon was forced to go over land to Europe. On the way, he besieged Acre (Akka), a strategic Ottoman fortress between Egypt and Syria. The British flotilla joined the Ottoman forces. From the Mediterranean, the British fleet shelled the French positions. Because the Ottomans depended on England’s naval might to defend Acre, England became the King of the North in place of the Ottoman Empire. When Napoleon retreated to Egypt, the British fleet pursued him as Daniel’s prophecy had foretold.



Napoleon returned to Egypt (without fighting in Jordan, Moab, or Edom), and then he escaped with his army. The British then dominated the Mideast to secure its routes to India. “He shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps” (11:43).



Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston, Britain’s Foreign Secretary, typifies the King of the North. He feared a Russian-French alliance would shift the European balance of power. Under his direction, Britain was fighting in the east and the north: 1803-India, 1812-USA, and 1815-France. He used the Ottoman Empire to keep Russia from accessing the Mediterranean via the Dardanelles. He also fought Russian expansion in the north through Afghanistan into India.

Palmerston convinced Russia, Prussia, and Austria 15 July 1840 that Egypt was about to topple the Ottoman Empire. In his view, this would upset the balance of power; he preferred a weak sultan rather than a strong military leader that would strengthen and enlarge the Ottoman Empire. On 11 August 1840, they gave Egypt an ultimatum to stand down or face their allied forces. Muhammad Ali of Egypt refused, and war followed.

“Josiah Litch in 1838, two years before the expected event was to occur. In that year he predicted that the Turkish power would be overthrown “in A.D. 1840, sometime in the month of August”[[4]] but a few days before the fulfillment of the prophecy he concluded more definitely from his study that the period allotted to the Turks would come to an end on August 11, 1840.”[5] It happened in their war with Egypt.



Though it is not indicated within the text, this passage is highly supplemented by the translators. Note what Daniel literally wrote: To plant dwelling palace sea glorious holy mountain to come end of time to help.

The British fleet partially fulfilled this prophecy when it anchored between Mount Carmel and Acre to plan their assault of Acre. They then occupied Acre in November 1840. “In the face of European military might, Muhammad Ali acquiesced.”[6] Soon thereafter, Palmerston’s government came to its end…in 1841 it was voted out of office. Thus, the waymarks given in Daniel 11 happened as prophesied to bring the prophecy to Christ standing for His people in 1844.


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[1] Evidence From Scripture and History of the Second Coming of Christ About the year 1843, William Miller (1841) p. 105, ed

[2] GC88 266.2, ed

[3] 5MR 318.1, ed

[4] Josiah Litch, The Probability of the Second Coming of Christ About A.D. 1843, p. 157 as cited in Daniel and the Revelation, U. Smith p. 513.

[5] Daniel and the Revelation, Uriah Smith, p. 513

[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_of_Egypt

Perilous Times with Perplexities



The prophecy (Daniel 11:40-12:1) arrived at the time of the end of the 2300-years. Michael stood for His people in 1844 to begin the Investigative Judgment. The 2300-year prophecy ended and the events within the prophecy repeat without the long time (day for a year) parameters.

Daniel repeats by predicting what is to happen after the 2300 years arrived at the end of years in 1844. The prophecy repeats in the end of years (Daniel 11:6). Starting here, much of the history that has been fulfilled in Daniel 11 repeats. “We are to see in history the fulfillment of prophecy…”[2]





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[1] YI, January 16, 1896 par.2


[2] 8T 307.2 (1904), ed


[3] LS 437.3, ed

So then:

According to your calculations, what is the day and hour that Trump will find himself before Congress in the hot seat of Impeachment?

This is to help us determine whether you are:

• a true prophet, OR
   
• a fake-news-media-talking-head regaling us with the meanings of tea leaves at the bottom of your big cup of scripture.

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Bible students study the Bible and learn from the systematic study.
I can only share what I have learned as I learn it.

Prophecy Repeats to Our Day

After France (King of the South) had taken Pope Pius VI captive in 1798, prophetically, the Roman Church became the daughter of the King of the South. France assumed the role as the Protector of the Catholics.

In 1846, Palmerston came back into office in Great Britain (King of the North). The Tsar wrote to him of the Ottoman Empire: “We have on our hands a very sick man, perhaps it would be as well to arrange for his funeral.”[1] When Palmerston refused to remove the Ottoman Empire from being a buffer between Russia and the Mediterranean, the Tsar protested that Orthodox Christians in Palestine were being endangered by the Catholics.

The Crimean War (1854-1856) followed. As prophesied, in the end of years they, the Kings of the North (Britain) and South (France), shall join themselves together; they opposed Russia in the Crimean War.

Count Cavour, who was on a mission to unify Italy under King Victor Emanuel II, had joined the allies in the Crimean War just in time to get a place at the peace table. He settled a border dispute between France and Italy that put Italian unification in motion. The pope opposed Italian unification because he would lose his secular rule over the Papal States.

As prophesied, the king’s daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power… Even though British ships were positioned off Italy’s coast during the struggle for Italian unification (in case British nationals had to be evacuated) England refused to help the papacy keep the Papal States. And France declined to help the pope keep the Papal States.

By 1870, “France was stripped of its Italian territories... Meanwhile, the Italian king had driven the pope into the Vatican City and was thereafter excommunicated from the Catholic Church ...”[2] When France was stripped of its Italian territories, Italy became the King of the South.



The Roman Church had had two roots or branches: the religious (church) and secular (state). Mussolini (a branch of the state/political roots) seized Italy’s government in 1922. From 1885-1889, Italy formed alliances with the African kingdoms: Zanzibar, Obbia, and Caluula; and its influence extended to Ethiopia. Official borders existed between Italian Somaliland and British Kenya in 1908.

As the King of the South, Mussolini entered the fortress of the King of the North (Kenya), dealt against them, and prevailed: He unilaterally seized Britain’s Jubaland Province in Kenya and the town and port of Kismayo. But Britain did not respond to his attack with a war, instead, it relinquished the territory to Italy.[3]



Though Muslims saw the belief in God and Jesus like having many gods, the Italian-Catholics got along well with the Muslims in Egypt; too well from the British perspective. In WWII, Britain alleged that Egypt’s Prime Minister favored the Axis powers. King Farouk I, while in his 20’s, was given the ultimatum to replace him or to be replaced. The king replied to Britain’s Ambassador that he would get rid of his Italian advisors when the ambassador got rid of his Italian advisor (his wife). After World War II, Egypt’s British trained generals ousted Farouk. He was granted asylum in Italy.

During WW II, President Franklin Roosevelt (FDR) had rescued Britain from certain destruction. Thus, he became the King of the North in Great Britain’s place. FDR had become President in 1933, and he died 12 April 1945.

Mussolini had seized Italy’s government to become the King of the South in 1922, and he died on 28 April 1945. As Daniel’s prophecy clearly foretold: Mussolini (the King of the South) continued 23 years more than Roosevelt (the King of the North), who had only ruled for 12 years.



When Mussolini died, the King of the South returned to his own land, Egypt. Prophecy continued to be fulfilled!

King of South Outlives King of North


Mussolini...………..FDR...………..FDR...………...Mussolini


Seized Power......President....Died...……...…..Died


1922...…………...1933...…......4/12/45...…..4/28/45


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[1] Caesar to Churchill p. 42 CF “A History of England” p. 653.


[2] http://www.heritage-history.com/?c=academy&s=char-dir&f=emmanuel1i, ed


[3] Cf http://bearcatspage.50megs.com/custom3.html


[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Egyptians#cite_note-9, ed

Would you be willing to explain how France, which lies north of both Italy and Israel, is the "King of the South"?

Next, would you please explain how France, by taking the pope captive and putting him in prison--where he afterward died, was "protecting" him?

Finally, would you explain how France, which arose centuries after Rome, could have been Rome's "mother"?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

The King of the north has invaded Israel from the north. Babylon, for example (that is east of Israel) came up the along the Tigris & Euphrates Rivers to the area north of Israel and swooped down on Israel from the north. Thus the king of the north that had moved to the Ottoman Empire moved to Great Britain.

Likewise, Egypt (the king of the south) would come up from the southern route. Hence when Napoleon invaded Egypt in 1798, after France had taken Pope Pius captive, France became king of the south.

And the kings of the north and south (Britain and France) joined themselves together in the Crimean War.



Green, you read something into what I actually said. I did not say they were "protecting him." When France took Pope Pius VI prisoner, the RC became the daughter of France (king of South). The French became the "Protector of the Catholics" and the Russians became the "Protector of the Orthodox" which led to the Crimean War, which was a pretext for Russia to push toward accessing to the Mediterranean sea.





Think of it like adoption.

After France took the pope captive, France told the RC what laws to enact and what it could and could not do. Like parents tell their sons and daughters what to do and not to do.

In the Bible, sons can be literal or members of a class (cf Strong). King Farouk’s son, Ahmed Fuad had been made king of Egypt, but he was replaced within a year by the sons, who held the real power in Egypt: Generals Nasser and Sadat. America’s fortress in the region was Israel.



Prior to WW II, the British had confiscated weapons from both Jews and Palestinians. During WW II, they armed both to fight the Axis powers. After the war, Britain resumed seizing arms and meddling in Mideast politics. Then 29 November 1947, the United Nations (UN) and USA decided to partition Palestine into a Jewish and Palestinian state. Egypt and the Palestinians opposed imposing the will of the UN on the indigenous people without their consent.

Hours before the British mandate over Palestine was to expire 15 May 1948, Israel declared itself a state. Truman, the King of the North, abruptly recognized Israel. Egypt assembled a multitude of great forces (the Arab League) against Israel, the King of the North’s regional fortress.





The King of the South (Egypt in union with the Arab League) assembled a multitude of great forces. The King of the South had many troops/made multiple attempts to move against America’s (King of the North’s) fortress, Israel.

The UN kept the peace on the Egyptian Sinai until the funding ceased in 1967. Egypt prepared to invade Israel as prophesied: then shall he (the King of the South) return, and be stirred up, even to his (King of the North’s/USA’s) fortress (Israel). The 1967 six-day war fulfilled this prophecy.









Israel pushed toward Damascus. Jordan and Iraq joined Syria to drive them back. After the war ended, Sadat became the first Arab head of state to make peace with Israel.



America had refrained from getting into the 1973 war. But the King of the North was prophesied to be in conflict with the King of the South again, and so it happened! The prophetic King of the South moved from Egypt to Iraq.

Saddam Hussein, the King of the South invaded Kuwait. In response, President Bush I (King of the North) attacked Iraq.[6] Hussein tried to take the war to Israel.[7]

When Iraq’s army was pushed from Kuwait, it set the oil fields ablaze. Bush I got the UN to sanction Iraq to make reparations and to punish their global environmental vandalism. President Bush I had envisioned the New World Order of “peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law.”[8] 6 March 1991, he announced his vision that failed.





After Bush I united the world against Saddam Hussein, the King of the South became Osama (Usama) bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi Arabian. He declared war on America from Afghanistan. In 1979, he had “joined mujahideen forces in Pakistan fighting against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.”[10]





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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War


[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War


[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_relating_to_ the_Six-Day_War, ed *


[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War, ed *


[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel*


[6]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/bush-gulf-war/


[7]http://www.sheppardsoftware.com/Middleeastweb/factfile/Unique-facts-MiddleEast10.htm


[8] http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0900156.html


[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein


[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden


[11] http://www.scribd.com/doc/83008925/Enemies-by-Design,ed


[12]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/ns/n...s/#.UGwxyOFfF_Y, ed

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, an endtime raiser of taxes, took Rabin’s place. Raiser: cause to take away – cf Strong. Netanyahu caused 22-40 million tax dollars to be taken away from the Palestinian Authority in 1998. And destroyed can also be rendered broken, maimed, crippled, wrecked (cf Strong). Netanyahu reigned a few days (years prophetically speaking) June 1996 to July 1999 when political corruption allegations crippled him; he was ousted.

After fulfilling this portion of prophecy, he returned as Prime Minister. During his 18 March 2015 speech, he rejected President Obama’s goals for Mideast peace. Within a few days or prophetic years, it is again being alleged that he has been involved in corrupt political dealings. Will he be ousted again, or will Christ’s glory fulfill this prophecy?

If the statement then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found (11:18-19) is specifically about President Clinton, after his affair with Monica, he was crippled politically (he fell). And all of his past popularity was forgotten when his wife ran for President. Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes could be about President George Bush II, who turned the Clinton tax surplus into a massive deficit by going to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. But within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle (11:20); though Bush II has been out of office for eight years, a few days is not defined in the Bible. Bush II is still alive. But as the study continue, it will be seen in Daniel 7:11 that Bush II is to be “destroyed, and given to the burning flame” that accompany Christ’s Advent. If that reading is correct, for it to be within a few days/years: Christ’s Second Advent is very close!

President Trump has since come into office. He followed the taxation example promoted by Bush II. With promises of prosperity, President Trump had Congress implement tax reform that will worsen America’s deficit if the plan does not go as intended.



Estate is translated as foot 8 out of the 17 times that it occurs in the Bible. In Daniel 2, the idol has two feet. Thus, the word estate in this text links this prophecy to the two feet of the image in Daniel 2. When Nebuchadnezzar’s dynasty fell to Cyrus, Babylon had two kings. Nabonidus, the official king had stepped aside to allow his son Belshazzar to rule. In the 4-kingdom meaning, Rome had two phases, pagan and papal. The endtime King of the North, President Clinton aligns with the brass midsection of the idol in Daniel 2; Bush II and Obama align with the legs; and Trump aligns with one foot. There is only one foot yet to come in the endtime. The most likely President that is being prophesied to align with the last foot in Daniel 2 is Michael Pence.

Has any recent president not worsened America’s deficit?
No news here.

That post was certainly a dyslexia moment. I jumped ahead 20 years in the prophecy. James, I'm surprised you did not catch the gap.

This is the sequence that I should have posted:



The King of the North transitioned to President Clinton. He responded to Osama bin Laden’s attacks 21 August 1998: “U. S. cruise missiles struck targets in Afghanistan… Thursday in what President Clinton described as an act of self-defense against imminent terrorist plots and of retribution for the bombings of U. S. embassies…”[2]





The King of the South transitioned back to Iraq. The events described here are repeating events that have been fulfilled historically. This sequencing may not always be chronological. At times, a caveat is interjected to explain details that had been omitted in the narration that needed clarification. The King of the South had moved back to Iraq.



After President Clinton, the King of the North, went to the glorious land, his conflict with Iraq put Israel in danger from Iraqi scud missiles. The peace process that Clinton was pushing led to the death of Israel’s Prime Minister.



Unlike the symbolic daughter of the King of the South, studied when the 1798 papacy repeated the fulfillment of 11:6, here this is prophesying about a literal woman. Thus 2600 years before Bill and Monica’s affair, Gabriel told Daniel: he that shall give him the daughter of women.

Did someone give Monica to Bill Clinton? Who? Is there an Israeli connection?



May 5-8, 1995 Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin Israel Met with President Clinton during a private visit.[6] President Bill Clinton admitted to having had an “inappropriate relationship” while Lewinsky worked at the White House in 1995. She is of Russian Jewish descent.[7]
Then as prophesied: after being corrupted, Monica did not stand on Bill’s side. She produced that infamous dress that caught him in a lie.

The glorious land was consumed. Land: its root links to a moral sense: the impurity of lustful…profligate living (cf Strong). While the USA was consumed with Clinton’s Lewinsky scandal: “On November 4, 1995, Rabin was assassinated…leaving a mass rally in Tel Aviv in support of the Oslo process.”[8]

President Clinton had stood in the glorious land pushing the peace process that led to Rabin’s death! After Clinton went to Israel, during the Monica affair, he returned to Israel for Rabin’s funeral taking upright ones with him.



While the scandal infatuated America, Clinton went to the British Isles[10] as prophesied. Public focus was redirected to Iraq.[11] Speaker Gingrich of the House of Representatives (a prince in America’s line of succession) caused Clinton’s reproach to cease when he led the House to impeach Clinton[12] for his affair with Monica. “A year before Gingrich became House speaker”[13] he too began having an affair.

The Republican Senate acquitted President Clinton.[14] Was it political suicide to impeach a popular president? Or the reality:



If Clinton had been removed from office, Vice President Gore would have become President. With the incumbent advantage, he would have run for president shortly after having been handed the office. To avoid that scenario, President Clinton was allowed to finish his term. But after Clinton lied to America (and apologized), public opinion turned against Gingrich: he caused it to turn upon him (Daniel 11:18). The fallen Clinton stayed in office. Gingrich resigned.[16]

The statement Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found (11:18-19) can also be referring to Prime Minister Rabin, if he is the he that gave Monica to President Clinton. When Rabin returned to Israel, he was killed (he fell).



Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, an endtime raiser of taxes, took Rabin’s place. Raiser: cause to take away – cf Strong. Netanyahu caused 22-40 million tax dollars to be taken away from the Palestinian Authority in 1998.[1] And destroyed can also be rendered broken, maimed, crippled, wrecked (cf Strong). Netanyahu reigned a few days (years prophetically speaking) June 1996 to July 1999 when political corruption allegations crippled him; he was ousted.

Is this a partial prophetic fulfillment? He returned as Prime Minister. He rejected President Obama’s goals for Mideast peace during an 18 March 2015 speech. Within a few days (prophetic years), will he be ousted again, or will Christ’s Coming in glory fulfill this prophecy? His political party is too weak to rule. A special election has been called.

If the statement then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found (11:18-19) is specifically about President Clinton, after his affair with Monica, he was crippled politically (he fell). All of his past popularity was worthless when his wife ran for President. Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes may be about President George Bush II, who turned the Clinton tax surplus into a massive deficit after going to war with Afghanistan and Iraq. But within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle (11:20). Though a few days is not defined in the Bible, Bush II has been out of office for eight years. He is still alive. Daniel 7:11 states that an earth-king is to be destroyed, and given to the burning flame that accompany Christ’s Advent. If that reading is about him, for it to be within a few days or years: Christ’s Second Advent is very close!

President Trump has since come into office. He followed the taxation precedence that Bush II set. With promises of prosperity, President Trump had Congress implement tax reform that takes from the treasury now and worsens America’s deficit later if the economy does not soar as he predicts.



Estate is translated as foot 8 out of the 17 times that it occurs in the Bible. In Daniel 2, the idol has two feet. Thus, the word estate in this text links this prophecy to the two feet of the image in Daniel 2. When Nebuchadnezzar’s dynasty fell to Cyrus, Babylon had two kings. Nabonidus, the official king had gone abroad and allowed his son Belshazzar to rule. In the 4-kingdom meaning, Rome had two phases, pagan and papal. The endtime King of the North, President Clinton aligns with the brass midsection of the idol in Daniel 2; Bush II and Obama align with the legs; and Trump aligns with one foot. There is only one foot yet to be explained in the endtime. The most likely President that is being prophesied to align with the last foot in Daniel 2 is Michael Pence. 

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[1]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/ns/n...s/#.UGwxyOFfF_Y, ed
[2]http://partners.nytimes.com/library/world/africa/082198attack-us.html, ed
[3] http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/trvl/pres/5188.htm, ed *
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_(1998), ed
[5] (Ha'aretz, 8/18/98) http://www.meforum.org/471/monica-lewinsky-in-middle-eastern-eyes
[6] http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/15735.htm
[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Lewinsky*
[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin*
[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich*, ed
[10]http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/trvl/pres/5188.htmUK,Sept.3-5,1998
[11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton#cite_note-46Dec.1998
[12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich*
[13]http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-11-11/news/9911110139_1_callista-bisek-georgia-republican-house-speaker-newt-gingrich*
[14]http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/12/impeachment/*
[15]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=204745388
[16] http://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/07/us/spe...eaker-will.html
[17]http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970812&slug=2554373

Ah, interpretation by majority...

And that's because we double things, right?

Mountainman,

I found the answer to you question about Trump being impeached.



President Trump is this endtime horn that is broken. In his place stand 4 notable ones: House of Representatives, Senate, Supreme Court, and presidency without Trump.

So His child, you apply "When men close their eyes" to you erroneously adding to the Bible that which is not there?

Things that make one go, hhhmmmmm.....

So you apply individually, specifically, Trump as one horn, and then you do a total switch and make the office another horn?

Inconsistency.
Hmmm......

I must have missed it. Exactly where in the text is there another horn? The one horn on the goat that is broken is President Trump. And there are the 4 notable ones (that may have appeared as horns to Daniel in vision, but he does not call them horns.

Oh yes there is that other little horn that becomes great. President Pence.
But is that what the prophecy is saying?

I will keep studying and sharing. We will see.

Examining the Prophecies

Daniel 9 gives the starting point for the 2300-year prophecy. It was fulfilled from 457 BC through events in Christ?s Day. The command in Revelation 10 to prophesy again repeats Daniel 9 bringing it to President Bush II.



The time that was fulfilled in Christ?s Day foreshadows a complete and final fulfillment in our day when Daniel stands in his lot. Thus, his prophecies repeat.



The message of Christ?s First Advent was based on the prophecies in Daniel 9 & 11. The message of Christ?s Second Advent is based on these prophecies when they repeat.






[1] DA 233.1
[2] DA 234.4
[3] AA 124.3, ed
[4] 21MR 407.3, ed
[5] PK 700.1

Daniel 9 Repeats


A problem with modern Adventists, is that the Laodicean mindset does not accept that Daniel?s prophecies are being repeated. When a time prophecy repeats, it has a different anchor point in time. In the following verse, the anchor point was initially 457 BC. In the endtime, it is 31 May 1998.



The King James translators chose words based on their understanding of Bible prophecy fulfilled though it was still sealed and closed in 1611. An alternate rendition of Gabriel?s words must be considered in the endtime now that knowledge has increased: Daniel is opened and unsealed! The alternate meanings repeat and enlarge the prophecy.

The word translated restore also means to turn back (from God), apostatize; build is to be built up like a childless wife becoming the mother of a family through the children of a concubine; Jerusalem is literally teaching of peace; and Messiah also means anointed; prince is ruler.

Jesus was the Anointed Prince, but in the endtime an antichrist is anointed as the prince of the covenant. Street is from the root enlarged. Wall is from a word that means: decision/moat; wall is past participle of decree. The endtime meaning of Gabriel?s words can be understood as:



The mother church is the Roman Catholic Church, the mother of the Protestant churches that broke away from her. The Roman Church?s decree teaching peace was Dies Domini (the Lord?s Day). It links Sunday to peace in sections 1, 18, 26, 33, 44, 52, 67, & 73. Dies Domini was issued on 31 May 1998 (the 6th of Sivan on the Hebrew calendar[1]).

?On the 6th Sivan?after the Exodus, G-d revealed Himself on Mount Sinai? and gave the Ten Commandments.[2] On the anniversary of the very day that God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, John-Paul II?s decree (Dies Domini, the Apostolic Letter) voided the Sabbath Commandment.



Pope John-Paul II titles chapter III: ?The Eucharistic Assembly: Heart of Sunday.?[4] In it, he called for ALL the FAITHFUL to join in the Eucharist Assembly on Sunday.



The endtime fulfillment of Daniel 9:25 is as follows: From the going forth of the command to apostatize (31 May 1998 Apostolic decree), unto the anointing of the ruler shall be 69 weeks. This time of anguish shall come again. For the 69-week time of anguish to come again, the 69 weeks are doubled to 138 weeks. From the command to apostatize issued on Sunday, 31 May 1998, the 69 weeks doubled (138 weeks) ended on Saturday, 20 January 2001.

On the last day of the 138 weeks (20 January 2001) that had begun at the going forth of the command to apostatize (31 May 1998), the Protestant counterfeit prince of the covenant was anointed. That very day, George Walker Bush was inaugurated as President of the USA!

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[1]http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=...n&nx=on&vis=0&d=on&c=off

[2]www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day_cdo/aid/282243/jewish/Torah-Given.htm

[3] https://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2dies.htm

[4] Ibid, section 67

[5] Ibid, section 81, ed

1) Individual. The one horn on the goat that is broken is President Trump.
Oh yes there is that other little horn that becomes great. President Pence.

2) Office. In his place stand 4 notable ones: House of Representatives, Senate, Supreme Court, and presidency

= Inconsistent.

President Bush II was elected 1) by a Protestant majority, 2) to bring America back to its Protestant heritage, and 3) to restore the dignity of the presidency that had been marred by President Clinton?s Oval Office scandal. The Bush II anointing fits the 138-week reading of Daniel 9:25, and it confirms that the 31 May 1998 papal decree was the teaching of peace that began these endtime 490 weeks. The anointing of Bush II as a political leader (President of the United States of America), fulfilled the beast of prey symbolism in Daniel 7. His Protestant (religious) mandate fulfilled the sacrificial animal (ram?s horn) symbolism in Daniel 8.

The Aramaic word in Daniel that is usually translated as covenant also means constitution. None of the Presidents from Truman through Clinton had been prophesied to be anointed the Prince of the Covenant. George Bush II fulfilled Bible prophecy when he was anointed the Protestant Prince of America?s Constitution (covenant). There is more that has been prophesied about President Bush II in the endtime!

The translators compared Daniel?s prophecies to the history that partially fulfilled the prophecies. To discover the endtime meaning of Daniel 9:26-27, Daniel?s prophecies must be compared to recent history. After Bush II was anointed 20 January 2001, he had an allotted time. After it ended, he failed to do his job?keep the United States safe.



Threescore has been translated as six multiplied by ten. According to Strong, in certain instances, the number is to be added to ten rather than multiplied by it. In the endtime, Daniel 9:26 is one of those instances. By its fulfillment (Daniel 9:26) recent history confirms that conclusion.

Sixteen (six added to the ten) rather than sixty is the correct reading for our day. The word following sixteen in this text is two. It has also been translated as twice or double (cf Nehemiah 23:20 & 2 Kings 2:9; 6:10). Sixteen weeks doubled are 32 weeks. The word translated as cut off also means fail. The endtime meaning of Daniel 9:26 is: after 32 weeks, the anointed Protestant prince shall fail: He did!

On 1 September 2001, President Bush II returned from vacation?exactly 32 weeks after being anointed the Prince of America?s Constitution. Shortly after his vacation ended, he failed to keep America safe. On 11 September 2001, a surprise attack changed America and the world forever.





After the 32 weeks had ended, the consequence of Bush II?s failure was September 11, 2001. A sanctuary is a set apart place. King Nebuchadnezzar had moved the gold from Jerusalem?s Temple to his set apart treasure house in Babylon. One of the Twin Towers in New York City was set apart as a treasure house that stored gold. Satan is the prince of this world: His agents destroyed the Twin Towers.

Prophecy continues. President Bush II fulfilled it:



Immediately after 11 September 2001, President Bush II confirmed America?s Covenant/Constitution with many for one week. He declared that week to be from Monday through Sunday instead of a biblical week from Sunday to Saturday:





In the midst of Constitution Week (September 17 through 23, 2001) on Thursday (9/20/01, exactly in the middle of that Monday through Sunday week), the Apostate Protestant Prince of the Covenant, President George Bush II, caused Christ?s Sacrifice and Oblation to cease. He did it in a speech to Congress that aired globally on 20 September 2001.



Are Muslims teachings good? They teach that they can go to heaven without the sacrifice of Jesus Christ!

The most Christian President in the history of the United States, who Daniel identified as the anointed Protestant Prince of the Covenant, pronounced the Muslim belief in salvation without Christ as good! In that concession to political correctness: The anointed Protestant Prince of the Covenant abolished Christ?s Sacrifice and Oblation in the midst of the week as prophesied:



The Oblation is the necessity to receive Jesus as our personal Savior. Christ?s sacrifice is useless in our behalf unless we accept Jesus as the atonement for our sins. Thus, in that speech, President Bush II did away with the oblation, the necessity of accepting Jesus as our personal Savior.



We are to beware of those who?would if possible, deceive the very elect? Those who are departing from the faith are at work to undermine the confidence of others... Our warnings come from the One who?sees our dangers, and is acquainted with the conniving of those who are opposed to His truth? Our Intercessor in the heavenly courts will purify His people.[5]

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[1] http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/, ed

[2] www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=61763, ed

[3]http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/gwbush911jointsessionspeech.htm, ed

[4] SC 18.2, ed

[5] TDG 74.4 ? 6, ed

Is Anyone Watching?

Christ, the TRUE Prince of God?s Covenant, confirmed it with many for one week. In the midst of the week, He died on Calvary. He did away with the earthly Sanctuary System that will never be restored. He entered the Temple in Heaven to plead His blood (sacrifice) for all, who will receive the oblation (accept Jesus as our personal Savior). Jesus went from the Holy Place to the Most Holy Place in Heaven to confirm the forgiveness of sins and to blot out the sins that we have confessed and forsaken. Jesus destroys sin but saves the forgiven sinner, but those, who will not receive Jesus as their Savior, are not benefited by His atonement.

As prophesied, the anointed Protestant Prince of the Covenant did away with Christ?s sacrifice and oblation in the midst of Constitution Week when he declared Muslim beliefs to be good. This lie ends the sinner that clings to his sin.

In 2001, Yom Kippur came on September 27. Ten Days of Awe precede Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. During the Ten Days of Awe, God?s people in ancient Israel confessed their sins in preparation for their atonement, when the Sanctuary was cleansed. A day was allotted to focus on each of the Ten Commandments and to confess sins to God.

On the 3rd Day of Awe (20 September 2001?the day in the midst of Constitution Week, when President Bush II took away the sacrifice and oblation), it was the day that God?s people would earnestly be confessing their sins regarding the 3rd commandment: ?Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain (Exodus 20:7). Those, who are Christian in name only: Take God?s name in vain!





True Bible prophecy, fulfilled in our day, is difficult to see. But as prophecy is studied, there is so much more to learn. The foundational prophecies in Daniel and Revelation must be studied. They repeat and enlarge upon what has been studied thus far.
















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[1] TDG 74.4 ? 6, ed

[2] SpTA07 54.2-55.1. ed

[3] AA 507.2

[4] 13MR 28.1-29.2

Daniel and Revelation

By God?s command, Daniel was shut up, ?closed up and sealed till the time of the end? (cf Daniel 12:9, 12). Long before Daniel was opened and unsealed, it was partially understood. God?s validating seal on Daniel was understood before the endtime meaning was opened or unsealed.

In the 4th century AD in TREATISE ON CHRIST AND ANTICHRIST, HIPPOLYTUS OF ROME explained the four kingdoms in Daniel?s prophecies. Luther confirmed it 1200 years later: ?Everyone agrees on this view and interpretation. Subsequent events and the histories, prove it conclusively.?[1]

Thus, the 1611 King James Bible translated Daniel according to the commonly accepted four-kingdom view as though these prophecies were opened and fulfilled. The four-kingdom view that fulfilled God?s command to seal Daniel also influenced the translators? choice of words.

In 1733, Newton reaffirmed the four-kingdom view in his book: Observations Upon The Apocalypse Of St. John. That understanding was well established long before God unsealed the book of Daniel and opened it, and before the command was fulfilled in Revelation 10:11 for Daniel to prophesy again. Thus, before the 1844 time of the end of the 2300-year prophecy, Bible scholars and translators thought that Daniel?s prophecies had been fulfilled.

In chapter 2, Daniel reveals a special dream that God had given King Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel dreamed the same dream in which the king was depicted as the idol?s gold head.

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[1] http://www.historicism.net/readingmaterials/loiatp.pdf

A Closer Look





The mysterious vision relates to King Nebuchadnezzar and his dynasty. Because the King James (KJV) translators did not see that local fulfilment of Daniel?s prophecies, they chose words that conveyed what they believed the prophecies meant. Compare their rendition of 2:39 that predisposes the reader to focus on the four-kingdom view to an alternate rendition of the same verse that relates to the local fulfilment:





The alternate reading of 2:39 focuses the meaning of the prophecy on: 1) King Nebuchadnezzar [the gold head], 2) King Evil-Merodach [his son, the silver chest], 3) King Neriglissar [Nebuchadnezzar?s son-in-law, the brass midsection], 4) Nabonidus [another son-in-law, an iron leg that extend into a foot mixed with clay {depicting churchcraft mingling with statecraft}], who co-rule with Belshazzar [Nebuchadnezzar?s grandson, the other iron leg that extend into the other iron foot mixed with clay]. Kings Belshazzar and Nabonidus co-ruled until Babylon fell. The alternate reading aligns with and confirms Jeremiah?s prophecy perfectly:





Obviously, the local interpretation of this prophecy was fulfilled by King Nebuchadnezzar?s dynasty when ancient Babylon fell to Medo-Persia. But it only partially fulfilled the prophecy, because Medo-Persia was not an eternal kingdom. However, Medo-Persia toppled Babylon and it foreshadows a final complete fulfillment that follows in the endtime because King Cyrus is a type of Christ, who is to rule in the endtime.

Both readings of Daniel 2:39 are correct. But obviously, they are only partial fulfilments: An eternal kingdom was not established at the end of Nebuchadnezzar?s dynasty, nor were the four kingdoms ever coexisting that are to be broken to pieces together according to the prophecy:





What is Daniel telling the king? Is it about his kingdom, Babylon, or about King Nebuchadnezzar and his dynasty?





Neither the four kingdoms: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome; nor King Nebuchadnezzar?s dynasty completely fulfilled the prophecy. They sealed its validity by partially fulfilling it at the appointed time. They foreshadow an endtime complete fulfillment long after the 1611 King James translators thought that the prophecy had been fulfilled, for God had closed, shut up, and sealed Daniel until the time of the end when knowledge shall be increased: O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end?knowledge shall be increased (Daniel 12:4, ed).

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[1] YI, November 24, 1903 par. 1, ed

[2] 15MR 39.1-2, ed

Sealing Prophecy

How did God seal the book of Daniel? What is its message that is to be unsealed in the endtime?

In the KJV translation of Daniel, malkuw (Strong H4437) is kingly throne (5:20), realm (6:3), and reign (6:28), but it is translated as kingdom all of the other times that it occurs in Daniel. Likewise, the word ara [H772] which is rendered as inferior only this once in the entire Bible and earth when it appears the next time in the same text. Ara also means land.

The translation of malkuw and ara verify the premature understanding of the four-kingdom model. These words hide in plain sight the meaning that was sealed until the endtime. If the KJV had not focused on the prophetic fulfillment of the four kingdoms before the prophetic meaning was unsealed and opened in 1844, King Nebuchadnezzar?s dynasty would have been obvious. Those four kings foreshadow the four kingdoms, and the meaning that is unsealed in the endtime as God commanded. God used the KJV rendition of the four kingdoms to seal the meaning of Daniel until the endtime, when Daniel stands in his lot. The hiding of the endtime meaning in plain sight that sealed Daniel 2, sealed Daniel 4.

In the 1611 King James Bible, Daniel 2 reads like it applies primarily to Nebuchadnezzar?s kingdom, but not the king. The opposite is true for chapter 4; it reads like it applies solely to the king, but not his kingdom. Why are these two chapters interpreted to convey such different meanings?


Comparing Daniel 2 to 4


Metal Idol (Daniel 2).................Great Tree (Daniel 4)

Thou art this head (2:38)...........The tree is thou (4:20-22)

A great image (2:31)..................Height to heaven (4:11 & 20)

This head (2:38).........................Tree's heart (4:16)
[man?s thought center]...............[cf Proverbs 23:7]

The beasts (2:38).......................The beasts (4:12 & 21)
given into thine hand...................had shadow under it

Thou art a king (2:21 & 37)..........Most High rules (4:17 & 22)
for the God of heaven hath..........the Kingdom of men,
given thee a kingdom...................and giveth it to whomsoever He will

Belly and thighs (2:32-33 & 39-40)....The band (4:15)
of brass and iron.................................of iron and brass

Stone destroyed it (2:34, 45)..............Hew down tree (4:13-14, 23)

The great God (2:45) .....................The interpretation (4:24)
hath made known to the king..........O king, and this is
what shall come...hereafter:...............the decree
and the dream is certain.......................of the Most High
and the interpretation............................which is come
thereof sure...........................................upon my lord the king

The God of heaven will (2:44)...............Thy kingdom (4:26)
set up a kingdom....................................is sure unto thee,
the kingdom shall stand for ever.............the heavens do rule

There is another instance in the Bible that illustrates two dreams with one meaning. Egypt?s pharaoh had two different dreams that both conveyed the same meaning.







Obviously, Daniel made both statements under Divine Inspiration: You are the head of gold, and The tree is you! The meanings of the two statements must harmonize one with the other! Thus, if the head of gold depicts Nebuchadnezzar?s kingdom in Daniel 2, then the meaning of the tree in chapter 4 must be applied (as in Daniel 2) to his kingdom, Babylon. If the great tree depicts King Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 4, then the meaning of the head of gold in chapter 2 must apply to him personally as well. One vision cannot apply to the kingdom and the other to the king: Both visions MUST apply to the king and to his kingdom, and they do.









The visions in Daniel 2 & 4 complement each other by revealing: 1) Truth relating to the King of Babylon {and his dynasty}; 2) Truth relating to the kingdom of Babylon and coming kingdoms; 3) Truth that is to be unsealed and opened relating to four endtime kings; 4) Truth limiting the duration of the time allotted to these visions; and 5) The king?s deadly wound that is healed in Daniel 4 foreshadows Babylon?s deadly wound that is healed before Daniel 2 is completely and finally fulfilled. The repeat and enlarge principles are at work in Daniel 2 & 4. Thus, as we continue to prayerfully study Daniel, more will be learned.





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[1] ST, August 27, 1894 par. 3, ed
[2] 9T 151.1
[3] RH, August 17, 1897 par. 19, ed
[4] 13MR 66.2, ed
[5] YI, November 24, 1903 par. 1
[6]1MR 47.3&17MR 11.1, ed

Are you able to show that from the Bible?

How do you propose to show that Yom Kippur came on 27 September 2001 from the Bible?

Thursday, September 27, 10th of Tishrei, 5762
9/27/2001 Thu, 10th of Tishrei, 5762
9/27/2001 Thu, Yom Kippur

http://jewishholidaysonline.com/2001

Jesus fulfilled the LAW. It is finished.

He said, "O foolish one, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?" And beginning at Moses (THE LAW) and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

--- Luke 24:25-27

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Sounds like you are admitting it is NOT Biblical.
Hmmmm.....

One way would be to show according to the Bible, when the Jewish year started.
Or you could say the Bible fails to give adequate information to know that.

Your point is noted. There is no question that Jesus fulfilled the law. But the ceremonial times in the law pointed forward to those things that were to come that Jesus has fulfilled. And centuries after going to heaven, Jesus fulfilled the Day of Atonement when He entered the Most Holy Place in Heaven to commence the Investigative Judgment in 1844. But He has not finished His work of confessing our names before His Father and His angels. That will not happen until Jesus states that "It is finished."

Though we are not obligated to partake in any religious services on Yom Kippur, we are wise to be mindful that Jesus is in the Most Holy Place in Heaven's Temple confess our sins before the Father and interceding for us. The yearly reminder that that includes the 10 days of Awe that are specifically appointed to confess our sins (each one coinciding with one of the 10 Commandments) that is followed by Yom Kippur is worthy of our acknowledging.

Christians celebrate Christmas and Easter yearly for which there is no command in the Bible. This is to manufacture holy days that are not biblical. That is as foolish as keeping the law that Jesus has fulfilled. Do you see any difference?

Yom Kippur comes between Sept and October yearly and it reminds us that Jesus is still working out our salvation.

Is your hearing selective? Perhaps I was not clear. Jesus fulfilled the law. But the holidays come yearly as they are described in the Bible. Even when we are not obligated to keep them, they come at their appointed times.

The Jewish website that I quoted gives the times from the Bible that Yom Kippur came in 2001. I could have shown you that it comes on 10 Tishrei from the Bible, but how do you prove that 10 Tishrei fell on September 27 since September is from the Gregorian Calendar which is not in the Bible. The religious Jews that keep their calendar know 10 Tishrei is on the day that it comes and they know that that day was 27 September in 2001.

That is the way it is.

Since prophecy is History in Advance, it is important to be able to align the events with the prophecy when they happen.

The King of Babylon

God sets up Kings and removes them. Who does the tyrannical overbearing fierce king of Babylon in Daniel 4 that defied and blasphemed the God of Heaven prophetically depict in the endtime? The Scriptures explain themselves:



In Daniel 4, the king of Babylon went insane for seven years, but when they ended, they were called, the end of the days (Daniel 4:34). A day can depict a year in prophecy. The reverse must be true: A time/year can depict a day. Thus, the end of the seven years are: The end of the DAYS.

The 7,000 years





God's Creation week was seven literal days! Satan's creation, the sin problem, has continued for about 6,000 years with the seventh thousand years soon to come. Ellen White's contemporary, Crosier, explained it this way:



White agreed. She affirmed that Crosier's view was true:



In addition to agreeing with Crosier, White often wrote that sin was limited to a 6,000-year duration. An example:



Ellen White also explicitly limits the duration of sin to 6,000 years in specific statements. In a vision from the perspective of the redeemed saints in Heaven, White wrote:


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[1]Cf http://www.sdadefend.com/Our%20Firm%20 Foundation/ Crosier-sanctuary.pdf, ed
[2] WLF 12.8, ed
[3] GC88 518.1, ed
[4] GC88 673.2, ed

The question is, when are their appointed times?

I'm asking, where from the Bible. Claiming that a website says it is from the Bible does not mean it is true.

I think you just said that you haven't a clue!
No matter what calendar system you use, there should be a certain day that 10 Tishrei falls on. Provided you know when the Jewish calendar system starts, and what starts it.

You don't know, do you?


That's precious.

His child: It starts then because some website says so. They just know it....

That's not Biblical. That is VERY far from the truth. The Book of Hebrews encourages us, "Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace (typified by the Mercy Seat in the Most Holy Place), that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need." Heb. 4:14-16

And that was since the first century AD. Christ's work on our behalf was finished since that time, in the days of Calvary!

It is written, "After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, I thirst! ... So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, It is finished! And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit." John 19:28-30

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Those who use the Hebrew calendar have correlated it with the Gregorian through the centuries. You may reinvent the wheel and pat yourself on your back for your great accomplishment. I may choose to go to Walmart and buy one that someone else has made.

your argument is basically asserting that the world is flat because you cannot prove it is a sphere. I am not going to waste time on foolishness and parley with you.

If you do not think that Yom Kippur was on 27 September 2001, please show evidence from the Bible to prove your assertion.

James,
Are you arguing that Yom Kippur does not come between September and October yearly?
Or are you trying to say that Christ's work in our salvation ended at Calvary?

Revelation 3:5 "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels."

If Christ's work was finished at Calvary, Do you not want Christ to confess you name before His Father?

1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

Do you not want Jesus to be your Advocate before God in Heaven?

His child: Because someone else says so.
No doubt, you expect us to believe anything you say because, you said so.

Not so. It would be a fair comparison if I had said it came on 27 October 2001 or some other date, prove otherwise.
But I did not.
I asked you to support your statement, to show what you say is true.


You just do not know!

Another Omega is a "W" moment.

You are basing your imaginary prophecy on something you cannot stand behind!!!!

Where in Leviticus 16 is there any mention of the High Priest going into the Most Holy Place, opening a book and scratching out names, hmmm? SDA holler, bawl and scream "Type, Type, Type and the Antitype!" But when asked where, they stammer, stumble and fall. Then they mumble something which they themselves don't even understand.

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The evidence was presented in the original post. You ignored it or rejected it, and acted like it was not there. I took the bait and wasted too much time so that you could rack up brownie points in your self-confident skepticism.

We are told that Christ's coming will be as it was in the days of Noah.
Some folks strengthened their skepticism until it began to rain.
Then they saw their folly when it was to late, too late.

the omega W is a duo U

James,

The text that you requested is:



When sins were confessed, the sinner placed his hands upon the head of the sacrifice. He killed it and its blood was poured under the altar.

The act of pouring the blood under the altar bore witness that someone had sinned and repented of their sins. When atonement was made for the altar, the sins that were repented of were erased if the sinner was truly repentant and "afflicting" themselves on Yon Kippur.



Calvary was where Christ (the Lamb of God) made the Sacrifice for our sins. When Jesus ascended to heaven to present Himself before the Father the record of our confessed and forsaken sins were taken to heaven to the presence of God. When Jesus confesses our names before the Father and His angels, Jesus is declaring that we have truly repented of our sins and accepted Him as our Sacrifice. This is the Sacrifice and Oblation.

The Sacrifice is Jesus, the Oblation is our accepting Him as our Savior and Him accepting us as His child.

I hope that clears it up for you.
Christian regards

And the Biblical evidence for this is? ....

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I would ask, does this go against the Bible?

Of course!

Jesus Christ was "the Lamb of God," according to John the Baptist, "who takes away the sin of the world." John 1:29. He didn't take it anywhere. He took it all away. John did NOT say that Jesus was the Lamb of God who took the sin of the world somewhere. In other words, Calvary stands as the overarching evidence that the sin of the world was forgiven, thrown into the depths of the sea, never more to be remembered.

That is why Jesus told Nicodemus, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His Only-begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 And He showed an example of this with the thief on the cross, "Assuredly, I say to you today," He said, "you will be with Me in Paradise." Luke 23:43. Based solely on an act of faith in Him.

The Book of Hebrews assures us, "For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." Heb. 10:14 Perfected as in cleansed, atoned for completely. It is our responsibility thereafter to respond accordingly to that gift of salvation. That's all.

"My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." 1 John 2:1-2

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In the Shoutchat Box, you asked for donations to cover the expense of upgrade and maintenance. Nevertheless, you provided this opportunity out of the genuine kindness of your heart and a desire to see community engagement among believers. You did it without any member ever asking it of you first. Once and for all. Your joy and happiness is found in members interacting in Christian grace with each other. Think of salvation like that. The ONE sacrifice you made is like that: for the whole world, especially for those who accept your provision.

There is nothing besides that but an "eternal" rest of peace and conversation in your presence! Romans 8:14

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James all of what you have said from the Bible is true. THAT IS NOT IN DISPUTE. BUT: If Jesus paid it all at Calvary and there was no need for Him to confess our names before the Father, why did Jesus PROMISE:

Revelation 3:5 "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

I was not born when Jesus died on Calvary. I had not even tried to overcome anything at that time. As being yet unborn, how could a case be made before the angels as to if I would claim Jesus as my Savior?

The Biblical sequence is the sinner offers the lamb. The blood records the confession of sin and the sinner's sincerity to accept the atonement through the blood. The blood is placed under the altar until the altar is cleansed Then if the repentant sinner is sincere (he will be demonstrating it on Yom Kippur...during the earthly sanctuary period and by his faithfulness during the heavenly sanctuary period). In the Christian dispensation. the LAMB was Jesus and it is not necessary to bring a sacrificial animal to an earthly priest in the plan of Salvation. In fact, to reestablish the sacrificial system would be to deny the all-sufficiency of the blood of Jesus. Then Jesus confesses the sinner as forgiven before God and the angels: God accepts Jesu's testimony and the forgiven sinner's name is retained in the book of life.

What part of that scenario is not biblical?

I looked, but nothing about when the Jewish year started. Guess I'm ignoring nothing that was presented. And where you made a word play on English personal pronouns, Last "trump" shall sound...


I'd go with the W is a duo U. But you had to sneak in "omega W". Kind of like saying, Pence is for God's people....

Kland,
On my statement, I am in error. Please accept my apology.
Sometimes some material is common knowledge or readily available and does not require more than a passing comment.

I was working on the post that I thought I had shared when I got sidetracked with your question. I have not posted the material that I had prepared.

This is the comment that I thought I had posted here.



I have a Gregorian-Hebrew calendar that aligns the Hebrew holidays with the Days of the week that we generally use and the months of both systems are synchronized on it.

If you question the fact about when Yom Kippur occurred in 2001, please feel free to look it up wherever you like. And if you should find that the day that I stated is incorrect, I will gladly examine your research. Since it is fairly recent history, there are many resources that have that information available.

our little aside dose not affect the facts in my original presentation. They have not changed. You can easily verify them if you question them as you can verify that the Greeks use a W as an omega symbol in the lower case. But If you want to challenge what you refuse to believe, it is your prerogative.

Anytime information is presented in a systematic format, it is important to understand the chain of data presented. If the chain is incorrect, it cannot lead to the correct answer / conclusion. If the data chain is correct but challenged erroneously, those who cannot see the facts will not be able to follow them to the correct conclusion.

more later
Christian regards

• That's your problem. You lay much stock in a LITERAL READING of Rev. 3:5, "He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels." But consider ...
   
• Rev. 3:12, "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God ..." Do you plan on being a literal pillar in a temple? Or this ...
   
• Rev. 3:21, "To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." How massively long is that throne that it would accommodate billions of people sitting side by side; and over whom are they presiding when everyone of them is sitting on the long, long throne?

It is a foolish thing to base your fundamental beliefs on a literal reading of symbolic scripture. Here now, you are going around telling people that that in heaven they would be turned into dead stone pillars and placed on an extremely long throne in heaven. Does that even begin to make sense? No! Therefore, repent and believe the truth. There is no such thing as an investigative judgment.

Blotting out of books and confessing of names before angels do not refer to any heavenly solemn ceremony, but speak of the willingness of God to forgive the over-comers and to make of them a nation (a register of citizens by name) like He did with Israel of old. That's all.

There is no such thing as poring over endless pages of a big fat book with a spying glass, looking for sins, by the High Priest on the Day of Atonement. Speak the truth; and people would believe you. Lie to them, and all your credibility goes down the drain.

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I am thinking that this is becoming a predominate topic in an off-topic thread and should probably be discussed in its own separate thread.

I guess you're right. It's more of a foundation issue to his prognostication rather than about the latter itself. There is also a parallel discussion going on about the Greek alphabet between His Child (OP) and Kland and then there is another about the meanings of words. His Child has skipped over these fundamental concepts in a strange haste to be prophetic.

It's like watching a child learn to walk. In his eagerness to reach across the room, he keeps stumbling and falling, either not having first mastered the skill of one step at a time, one foot then the other ... or being simply indifferent about it ... or assuming that he had it all figured out ... until he is put to the test.

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The aside was essentially a waste of time.
But if others would like to chase that rabbit, in another thread,
perhaps some good will come of it?

And when is the 7th Jewish month? Which becomes, when is the 1st Jewish month?

Can you prove from the Bible, and not from many other resources, when the Jewish year starts?

You chain IS incorrect.
In fact, the first link is not even there.

If you think that I have spoken in error: Prove it. Show us.
So far the only thing that you have proved is that you create doubt when you do not like truth.
Beware That is the technique that Satan used in Heaven when he led his rebellion against God.
If I am in error, I want to know my error, so I can search more diligently for truth.
But you manifest an unteachable doubting spirit.

The Bible study was briefly paused to review everything and to double check the facts.
The review is almost done and the study will soon be concluded
With the proclamation of the Third Angel's Message
When the power spoken of in the 30th verse is in place the final events will be rapid ones.

Show us the truth then.

Your error is outsourcing your thinking to others. Others differ widely. Is truth ever determined by a majority vote?

Think for yourself. Show from the Bible when the Jewish year starts.

It appears that why you have yet to even attempt to show it, is because you have never given it a thought.

If you are making prophetic statements based upon the Jewish year, then would it be out of the way for you to at least make an effort to show when the Jewish year starts from the Bible?
That's not asking too much, is it?

I paused this study to double check the material that I have presented.

Kland, As usual, you assume and presume too much.

The Day of Atonement falls on the tenth day of the seventh Jewish month. That is in September or October on the Gregorian calendar.

In 1844, the Day of Atonement fell on 22 October. [That is a fact that you will be hard pressed to prove.] But those that lived in 1844 were diligent in determining the date of the Day of Atonement..

On 22 October 1844, the judgment of the dead commenced. The Roman Church was dead, having received its deadly wound in 1798. Peter states that Judgment begins at the house of God; the judgment of the dead house of God began 22 October 1844.

The judgment is to begin at a certain time and to continue for a specific duration...an HOUR.

The first mention of a day is in Genesis. God told Adam that he would die "in the day" that he ate of the forbidden tree. Adam did not die in the literal 24 hour day. Nor did he die in the year (day for a year application) that he ate. Adam died at 930 years old, which is on the 1000 year day timeframe that David and Peter link to God. Jesus recognized that a day has 12 hours. God's 1000-year day divided by 12 gives the duration of an hour as 83 years 4 months. This is the length of a Judgment Hour and history confirms it.

The Judgment hour of the dead that began 22 October 1844 ended 83 years 4 months later on 22 February 1928, while the dead church was still DEAD. There was a tarrying time in which the Dead Church was healed of its deadly wound. The healing was from February 1929 to June of that year. The dead church was ALIVE when the Day of Atonement arrived 14 October 1929. Thus, when the tarrying time ended, the Judgment of the LIVING CHURCH began.14 October 1929.

The judgment hour of the living church continued for 83 years 4 months from 14 October 1929 thru 14 February 2013. Notice that the healed papal-beast in Rev 13 has 7 heads. The SOP states that Pius VI was the one led into captivity and that received the deadly wound. From that tidbit, the SOP is saying that a head on the papal beast is a pope.

From the 1929 healing of the deadly wound only 7 solo popes/heads reigned: Pope Pius XI & XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I & II, and Benedict XVI. When the 83 year 4 month hour ended Benedict XVI resigned in February 2013 as the proclamation of Revelation 18 announced "Babylon is fallen, is fallen" because of her fornication. He resigned in the midst of the priests' fornication scandal.

The ten horns that were linked to the 7 popes are the American Presidents: Truman (who called fire down from heaven on japan), Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, & Clinton. President Bush II was the anointed prince of the protestant covenant. Power transitioned from the papal sea-beast while Benedict XVI reigned to the earth-beast with duo horns while Bush II reigned. Thus, we are living in the days of earth-beast with the lamblike horns.

Since the earth-beast has duo horns, I counted Bush II as horn one and President Obama as horn duo. But no matter how much I believed it, this was not historically correct. Where was the mistake?

Pope John-Paul was identified in Daniel 7 as speaking great words and plucking up Presidents: Reagan, Bush I, & Clinton. Pope John-Paul II was identified in Revelation 13 as toppling communism, receiving a deadly wound from which he survived, and living exactly 42 full months from 9/11/01 until his death 4/2/05. (Oct., Nov., Dec. 2001, 12 each 2002, 2003, 2004, & Jan., Feb., and Mar. 2005= 42 full months). But I was asked to explain the time that remained that was unaccounted for in Sept 2001 and April 2005.

On the Hebrew Calendar Adar I is added at specific intervals to keep it in sync with the Solar calendar (Gregorian Calendar that most folks are familiar with). From 9/11/01 to 4/2/05 the month of Adar I was added exactly twice. In fact, from 9/11/01 to 4/2/05 the Hebrew calendar has it exactly 42 & 2 months to the very day.

When duo was studied, Luke 10:1 states that Jesus sent them out duo (two and two). That missing piece of the puzzle reveals that duo that occurs twice in Revelation 13 should be read as TWO AND TWO. History confirms it on the Hebrew calendar in the 42 & 2 month reign of Pope John-Paul II from 9/11/01 to 4/2/05, and prophecy tentatively confirms it in the duo horns of the beast with the lamblike horns that were NOT limited to Bush II and Obama. President Trump is the third horn of the duo. That being true TWO & TWO horns must indicate that there is one more President yet to arise on the earth-beast.

My prayerful study indicates that Michael Pence will stand for his people after President Trump is "broken" and that the war with Iran will correlate with the transition of power to President Pence.



That correlates with the establishment of the Mark of the beast and the Time of Trouble and Christ standing for His people.

In my posts on this thread, I have been going through the prophecies step by step to show how they get to this President Pence and to show that it is not speculation, but sound Bible study. Unfortunately, the responses that have been received do not always look at the facts presented. The respondents do not see the big picture, but only see the historical traditional views that are not up to date. So many are going backwards when we need to go forward.

If the old adage is true "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"

Is it worth my time and effort to continue to try to present the sound biblical teaching that will prepare those who will not see or who refuse to see the danger that is clearly pointed out in seeing the Third Angel's Message aright?

Yes, that is what I'm asking! Show due diligent work in determining your Jewish year and dates.

His child, you don't have to use Jewish days in making your prophecies. But you have chosen to do so. Therefore, if you are basing your prophecy on Jewish days, then you need to show due diligence in determining them. And not just saying because the majority of some Jews say so.

Be honest. Show due diligence. Show how you have determined from the Bible when the Jewish year starts, when the Jewish days are, and then you can say on such and such a day something is going to happen.

Do you think this is an unreasonable request?

Since I did that very thing in showing step by step the following

1) Jerusalem fell 605 BC to begin Jeremiah's 70 years of desolation that are doubled
2) Jerusalem and Temple were rebuilt after 70 years doubled (140 years)
3) first rebuild command issued by Cyrus 535 BC at end of 70 years
4) 70 years doubled ended 465 BC
5) After brief tarrying time (465-464) final decree was issued
6) 2300 days extended from 464 to Ezra's arrival in Jerusalem in 457
7) last rebuild command by Artaxerxes 457 BC
8) After the literal 2300 days ended the Temple was cleansed on Day of Atonement 457
9) 2300 years began 457 BC ended 1843 on Day of Atonement
10) after a brief tarrying time, 2300 years ended again 1844 on Day of Atonement
11) Judgment of dead began 22 October 1844 and ended 22 February 1928
12) Judgment Hour began at the dead house of God...RC was dead February 1798
13) A Judgment hour is millennial time 83 years 4 months
14) The dead RC was alive with Lateran Treaty 1929
15) A brief tarrying time from 22 February 1928 until 14 October 1929
16) Judgment of living began 14 October 1929 and ended 14 February 2013
17) Endtime decree to rebuild Jerusalem 31 May 1998
18) GW Protestant Prince of America's Covenant inaugurated 20 January 2001
19) Revelation 13 focus shifted from papal beast's 7th head to earth beast's first horn
20) President Bush failed 11 September 2001
21) GW confirmed Covenant/Constitution for 1 week 11/17 to 11/23 2001
22) in the midst of the week (11/20/01) GW took away Christ's Sacrifice and Oblation
23) The 2nd horn on the earth beast was President Obama
24) Duo horns means 2 plus 2: GW, Obama, Trump, Pence
25) Babylonian calculation Pope Benedict XVI left office short of 7 years (short space)
26) Benedict left during fornication scandal...fornicating Babylon is fallen
27) 2 living popes with a third soon to come
28) #IranUSwar aligns with Trump getting broken and Pence being last President

If the Holy Spirit is not showing it to you, it is not my lack of due diligence.

His child, read my question again and tell me how your answer answered it.
Telling about how your prophecies are doubled does not even begin to tell when the Jewish year starts.

I have explained how the prophecies align with the Jewish year. If you doubt the accuracy of the presentation please give a date that you think is correct and the evidence that establishes it.

Yes, that's what I thought you did - answered some other question.

But my question should involve a 1 or 2 sentence answer if not a 1 or 2 word answer. Why do you not answer it?

You could respond by saying you don't know, have not done due diligence in finding out, and nor do you really care when the Jewish year starts.

And that is so sad for someone who supposedly is basing his made up prophecies on the Jewish year......
At least make a feeble attempt. Many others have come up with varying creative ways and methods and ideas even though they can't all be correct.

But what should one expect from one who thinks an ω is a w?

Even Donald Trump is in the Bible?? And Mike Pence too? Maybe I'm there somewhere and don't even know it. I must investigate further.

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If there is something you don't understand,
you can always rephrase your question or look it up yourself.

Of course you are there.
There are two groups that include everyone:
The Wise or The Foolish.
The sheep or the goats
the wheat or the tares
the saved or the lost

But you probably don't need to be identified publicly to make the prophecies understandable like Kings Nebuchadnezzar, Belshazzar, Cyrus, or Presidents Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, Trump and Pence. Or like Popes Pius VI, XI, XII, John-Paul II, & Benedict XVI.

All these folks have had a prominent place in Bible prophecy.
The prophecies are getting down to the final act.
The war with Iran is not far off and
the Mark of the Beast with President Pence at the helm in the USA is soon to follow.

So Be wise and Be ready

And where are you?

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Safe in the arms of Jesus

Good for you.

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James,

I'll pray that you will be safe in the arms of Jesus too!

I have not been posting much lately, because of time constraints. But I have been studying.

As I continue to study the Bible and the Spirit of prophecy,
it appears that Michael Pence will become President THIS YEAR: 2019.

That means that President Donald Trump will be broken this year: 2019.
Broken=Definitely leaves office.
And Donald Trump may actually die within a short time after leaving office.

I do not know if his death is within days, months or a few years after leaving office.

That is my current understanding of Bible prophecy.

And based on that assessment, Iran will most likely attack America's fleet in the Persian Gulf this year as well.

May God have mercy on us.

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Because the post by His Child goes directly contrary to Mrs. White's teaching on the topic of time setting, this topic will now be closed. Mrs. White indicates that all such date setting works against God.

Compare His Child's post against what Ellen White has said:





As a moderator, I cannot be true to my duty and yet allow these deceptions to be repeatedly posted here. As such, time setting will simply not be permitted, and this thread will be closed.

Thank you for your cooperation going forward in heeding Mrs. White's good counsels.

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Stay true,

Green Cochoa.