Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable?

Posted By: asygo

Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/18/07 02:24 AM

Pastor Johann,

That's great, but I do not equate levity with laughter. Do you?

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There are persons with a diseased imagination to whom religion is a tyrant, ruling them as with a rod of iron. Such are constantly mourning over their depravity and groaning over supposed evil. Love does not exist in their hearts; a frown is ever upon their countenances. They are chilled by the innocent laugh from the youth or from anyone. They consider all recreation or amusement a sin and think that the mind must be constantly wrought up to just such a stern, severe pitch. {AH 493.1}

The Rasmussens had several children and a sister-in-law living with them. The latter had lived in Battle Creek years before and had met Ellen White there. She had thoroughly prepared her nephews, the Rasmussen boys, to dread the visit of the prophet. Her philosophy was that it was a sin for children to play with toys or laugh, and claimed that Sister White backed up her cheerless views. {5BIO 139.3}
The boys were amazed when Ellen White on meeting them, turned to her son and asked, "Willie, where are those things for the boys?" Willie produced two packages, each containing a toy train. The boys were delighted, and no doubt were careful to display them for their aunt's benefit! Ellen and Willie enjoyed a good meal at the Rasmussens' and Kings', topped off with one of Mrs. Rasmussen's Danish Christmas cakes, which Willie enjoyed so much that he asked for the recipe. He spiced the meal with a few interesting and humorous stories. At first the Rasmussen boys were afraid to laugh, but when they saw Ellen White smile and heard Elder White laugh at his own stories, they soon joined in. Sister White had no objection to a little sensible humor. Loud, hilarious laughter she detested. {5BIO 139.4}


So you see, there is such a thing as innocent laughter.

Even so, that does not give us the authority to dismiss one jot or tittle from inspiration. In light of the positive statements about laughter, how are we to understand the negative statements about levity, joking, jesting, etc?

Here's one from my files that is not commonly known:
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Christ is our example. Do you imitate the great Exemplar? Christ often wept but never was known to laugh. I do not say it is a sin to laugh on any occasion. But we cannot go astray if we imitate the divine, unerring Pattern. {6MR 91.1}


Heavy, isn't it?

You related an anecdote from ML Andreasen about EGW laughing. I put up an anecdote from 5BIO about EGW laughing. But now we have an inspired statement about Christ NOT laughing.

Shall we look to inspired counsel or to the actions of men/women? If we are looking at actions, have we been given an example other than Christ?

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Posted By: Johann

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/18/07 03:30 AM

Personally I think we must, like you indicate, compare one with the other. It is evident that Ellen never condemned innocent laughter. She states "I do not say it is a sin to laugh on any occasion." So who are you or I to say she says it is a sin? I understand her as claiming we must not let one quotation of hers stand alone, if we find something else elsewhere which seems to contradict. She also stated that it is not the words that are inspired, but the writer who is inspired, and then tries in her own human language to tell what God has revealed.

This is not merely my opinion, but is the counsel EGW herself has given.

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Posted By: asygo

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/18/07 06:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Johann
It is evident that Ellen never condemned innocent laughter. She states "I do not say it is a sin to laugh on any occasion." So who are you or I to say she says it is a sin?


She does not condemn innocent laughter, but there is laughter that she condemns. I posted a 5T quote where she says so. How do we tell one kind from the other?

Originally Posted By: Johann
She also stated that it is not the words that are inspired, but the writer who is inspired, and then tries in her own human language to tell what God has revealed.


I agree. But how do we put this into practice? Do we follow what she does or what she says?

Peter wrote a couple of inspired books. But does that mean we should do as he did when the Jews came to eat? Was Paul wrong in rebuking him?

When I preach, I try to always stick to the teachings found in the Bible and SOP. I try to set before the people the high calling to which we have been called. And when such a calling is found in inspired writings, I feel fully authorized to proclaim it as loud as I can.

But I must confess that I do not always reach that high calling. No matter the lofty heights to which I aspire, the fact is that I often fall far short.

Does that mean that I don't mean what I say in the pulpit? Or that my actions should mitigate the force of my words? Certainly, power in my life will give power to my words, but the truth is the truth whether or not I obey it myself.

Is it possible that EGW laid down a God-given principle, which she sometimes failed to fulfill?

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None of the apostles and prophets ever claimed to be without sin. Men who have lived the nearest to God, men who would sacrifice life itself rather than knowingly commit a wrong act, men whom God has honored with divine light and power, have confessed the sinfulness of their nature. {AA 561.1}


Is it possible that EGW sinned?

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Posted By: Johann

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/18/07 11:18 AM

We have a lot to learn from the Pharisees!!!!!!! If you got an earache on Friday and put a cotton pad with oil into the ear you could still wear it on Sabbath. But if it fell out of the ear on Sabbath you must not pick it up and put it back into the ear, because that was lifing a burden on Sabbath. But if needed you could put a cotton pad with no oil in it on Sabbath. That was below the mark of a burden.

So why don't we in these modern times use a volume meter and have one of our saints declare how laud the laughter can be in order to be innocent? Is there any other way we could determine if it is sin or not? Any other practical solution?

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Posted By: vastergotland

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/18/07 11:44 AM

Originally Posted By: asygo
Pastor Johann,

That's great, but I do not equate levity with laughter. Do you?

Quote:
There are persons with a diseased imagination to whom religion is a tyrant, ruling them as with a rod of iron. Such are constantly mourning over their depravity and groaning over supposed evil. Love does not exist in their hearts; a frown is ever upon their countenances. They are chilled by the innocent laugh from the youth or from anyone. They consider all recreation or amusement a sin and think that the mind must be constantly wrought up to just such a stern, severe pitch. {AH 493.1}

The Rasmussens had several children and a sister-in-law living with them. The latter had lived in Battle Creek years before and had met Ellen White there. She had thoroughly prepared her nephews, the Rasmussen boys, to dread the visit of the prophet. Her philosophy was that it was a sin for children to play with toys or laugh, and claimed that Sister White backed up her cheerless views. {5BIO 139.3}
The boys were amazed when Ellen White on meeting them, turned to her son and asked, "Willie, where are those things for the boys?" Willie produced two packages, each containing a toy train. The boys were delighted, and no doubt were careful to display them for their aunt's benefit! Ellen and Willie enjoyed a good meal at the Rasmussens' and Kings', topped off with one of Mrs. Rasmussen's Danish Christmas cakes, which Willie enjoyed so much that he asked for the recipe. He spiced the meal with a few interesting and humorous stories. At first the Rasmussen boys were afraid to laugh, but when they saw Ellen White smile and heard Elder White laugh at his own stories, they soon joined in. Sister White had no objection to a little sensible humor. Loud, hilarious laughter she detested. {5BIO 139.4}

Whats the difference between telling humorous stories and joking?

Main Entry: 1joke
1 a : something said or done to provoke laughter; especially : a brief oral narrative with a climactic humorous twist
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So you see, there is such a thing as innocent laughter.

Even so, that does not give us the authority to dismiss one jot or tittle from inspiration. In light of the positive statements about laughter, how are we to understand the negative statements about levity, joking, jesting, etc?
Maybe we(you?) are closer to the sour Mrs Rasmussen than to the happy Mrs White? Maybe we do as the jews did with sabbath. Since making fun of others is wrong, we must guard against it and the easiest way to do so is making sure we are not having fun at all.
This seems illustrated in this sentence that I copy from post 84180 in this thread. Some laughter is wrong so lets for heavens sake not laugh at all.

"She does not condemn innocent laughter, but there is laughter that she condemns. I posted a 5T quote where she says so. How do we tell one kind from the other?"
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Here's one from my files that is not commonly known:
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Christ is our example. Do you imitate the great Exemplar? Christ often wept but never was known to laugh. I do not say it is a sin to laugh on any occasion. But we cannot go astray if we imitate the divine, unerring Pattern. {6MR 91.1}


Heavy, isn't it?
Heavier than even Ellen (if the MR collection is in context) or the compilers (if it is a mere quote collection) would have it.

He [Jesus] is the joy and light of the world. "He that followeth me shall not walk in darkness" John 8:12. Heaven is all light, peace, and joy. Jesus says, "Ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full" John 16:24. {6MR 90.1}

Jesus had grief, but He did not carry it in His face. Wherever He moved blessings followed in His track. Joy and gladness were imparted to the children of men. Children loved to be in His presence. He took them in His arms. Christ was an earnest, thoughtful man, an intense worker for the good of others, but He was never frowning or gloomy. The calm, steady light of a holy peace was expressed in His life and character. His presence hushed levity and none could be in His presence without feeling that life was earnest, serious, charged with a great responsibility. The more I know of Jesus' character the more cheerful I am."--Ms 1, 1867, p. 8. ("Reminiscent Account of James White's Sickness and Recovery," written in early 1880's.) {6MR 90.2}

Not to speak of the bible, to quote a few:

Jesus told a parable concluding it saying;
Luk 15:32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

agalliao
1) to exult, rejoice exceedingly, be exceeding glad
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You related an anecdote from ML Andreasen about EGW laughing. I put up an anecdote from 5BIO about EGW laughing. But now we have an inspired statement about Christ NOT laughing.

Shall we look to inspired counsel or to the actions of men/women? If we are looking at actions, have we been given an example other than Christ?
We should strive to read the entire context of inspired counsel rather than settle for the crumbs that suit our personal fancy.

Quoted from the last part of post 84180;
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I agree. But how do we put this into practice? Do we follow what she does or what she says?

Peter wrote a couple of inspired books. But does that mean we should do as he did when the Jews came to eat? Was Paul wrong in rebuking him?

When I preach, I try to always stick to the teachings found in the Bible and SOP. I try to set before the people the high calling to which we have been called. And when such a calling is found in inspired writings, I feel fully authorized to proclaim it as loud as I can.

But I must confess that I do not always reach that high calling. No matter the lofty heights to which I aspire, the fact is that I often fall far short.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 ¶ What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 ¶ Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Doesnt this describe the same experience as you where giving in this post?

Also: 1Cr 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
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Does that mean that I don't mean what I say in the pulpit? Or that my actions should mitigate the force of my words? Certainly, power in my life will give power to my words, but the truth is the truth whether or not I obey it myself.

Is it possible that EGW laid down a God-given principle, which she sometimes failed to fulfill?


Quote:

None of the apostles and prophets ever claimed to be without sin. Men who have lived the nearest to God, men who would sacrifice life itself rather than knowingly commit a wrong act, men whom God has honored with divine light and power, have confessed the sinfulness of their nature. {AA 561.1}



Is it possible that EGW sinned?
It is sertain that Ellen sinned. But did she sin by laughing and being joyfull? You have no good case for that IMO.

Psa 5:11 But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee.

Psa 32:11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all [ye that are] upright in heart.

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Posted By: Daryl

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/18/07 05:21 PM

As you can see, I created this new topic from many of those posts that were once in the Sabbath School forum topic, therefore, this topic can be continued here.
Posted By: Daryl

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/18/07 05:47 PM

Let me give my own thoughts on this.

I feel it is OK to laugh as long as we are not cutting anybody or anything down from our laughter, however, sad to say, we are sometimes caught up in that kind of laughter, therefore, we need to be on our guard.
Posted By: asygo

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/19/07 12:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Johann
So why don't we in these modern times use a volume meter and have one of our saints declare how laud the laughter can be in order to be innocent? Is there any other way we could determine if it is sin or not? Any other practical solution?


Hmmm... I think I got a totally different message from the SOP quote than you did. I understand the important distinction to be one of context, not volume. Perhaps you are thinking of a quote where the SOP specifies how many decibels are allowed, one of which I am unaware?

Going to back to the quote I do know.

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The whispering and laughing and talking which might be without sin in a common business place should find no sanction in the house where God is worshiped. {5T 492.2}


The SOP says that there is laughter that is acceptable in a common place, but not in God's sanctuary. Are you saying that it is impossible to make such a distinction? Or that it would be Pharisaical to do so?

In my younger days, I used to tell jokes in my sermons. I was told that it was a good way to build rapport with the listeners. And since levity comes naturally to me, I found it very easy. Today, I exert great efforts to avoid the spirit of levity, especially while I preach.

I'm curious. Do you tell jokes during your sermons?
Posted By: asygo

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/19/07 12:17 AM

Originally Posted By: västergötland
Maybe we(you?) are closer to the sour Mrs Rasmussen than to the happy Mrs White?


It is foolish to make a hypothesis when one has no data.
Posted By: asygo

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/19/07 12:34 AM

Originally Posted By: västergötland
Since making fun of others is wrong, we must guard against it and the easiest way to do so is making sure we are not having fun at all.
This seems illustrated in this sentence that I copy from post 84180 in this thread. Some laughter is wrong so lets for heavens sake not laugh at all.

"She does not condemn innocent laughter, but there is laughter that she condemns. I posted a 5T quote where she says so. How do we tell one kind from the other?"


You ascribe sentiments to me which are foreign to my thinking. Here you are drawing false conclusions from my statements, when I am here ready to clarify myself. You would do well to ask, rather than to assert.

Originally Posted By: västergötland
Heavier than even Ellen (if the MR collection is in context) or the compilers (if it is a mere quote collection) would have it. ... We should strive to read the entire context of inspired counsel rather than settle for the crumbs that suit our personal fancy.


If you can so easily misrepresent my intentions and sentiments, what makes you think you can draw valid conclusions from the works of prophets long dead?
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/19/07 02:07 AM

Originally Posted By: asygo
Originally Posted By: västergötland
Maybe we(you?) are closer to the sour Mrs Rasmussen than to the happy Mrs White?


It is foolish to make a hypothesis when one has no data.
Quite the contrary. You make hypothesis in order to either validate or throw away the hypothesis through the gathering of appropriate data. It would, however, be foolish to make a theory without data.
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/19/07 02:11 AM

Originally Posted By: asygo
Originally Posted By: västergötland
Since making fun of others is wrong, we must guard against it and the easiest way to do so is making sure we are not having fun at all.
This seems illustrated in this sentence that I copy from post 84180 in this thread. Some laughter is wrong so lets for heavens sake not laugh at all.

"She does not condemn innocent laughter, but there is laughter that she condemns. I posted a 5T quote where she says so. How do we tell one kind from the other?"


You ascribe sentiments to me which are foreign to my thinking. Here you are drawing false conclusions from my statements, when I am here ready to clarify myself. You would do well to ask, rather than to assert.
It might be foreign to your thinking, that is true. But unfortunately it wasnt foreign to your writing. And your writing is all I have to go by. What you choose to quote and how you choose to comment what you choose to quote. And may I add what you choose to leave out. I am no mind reader.
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Originally Posted By: västergötland
Heavier than even Ellen (if the MR collection is in context) or the compilers (if it is a mere quote collection) would have it. ... We should strive to read the entire context of inspired counsel rather than settle for the crumbs that suit our personal fancy.


If you can so easily misrepresent my intentions and sentiments, what makes you think you can draw valid conclusions from the works of prophets long dead?
Instead of making yourself guilty of what you accuse me of, why dont you tell me what you make out of this context which I quoted into this thread.

Thomas
Posted By: asygo

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/19/07 02:38 AM

Originally Posted By: västergötland
It would, however, be foolish to make a theory without data.


Theory or hypothesis the crucial fact is that you have no data.
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/19/07 02:56 AM

I provided backup data for everything except that which you think but have not put in print in this thread. Everything else was provided with either quotes from the bible or Ellens writings. You have thus far choosen to ingnore everything that I have provided data for and concentrated on that which I cannot provide data on, ie the sentiments you appear to have but are fully free to deny. Under such circumstances, there appears to be no reason to continue this between you and I.
Posted By: Will

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/20/07 05:38 AM

Guys,
This is really sad u see. The whole mindset and to think "hmm, should I laugh or not, is it a sin to laugh" is draconian thinking to say the least.
If you find humor and laugh at those offensive jokes that make fun of starving people, then you know that is really bad.
If you laugh at something someone you know did, or what you did, or something similar, who cares. Seriously, I mean get a grip!

God Bless,
Will
Posted By: Davros

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/20/07 04:24 PM

Quote:
There is a time to cry and a time to laugh.
Ecclesiastes 3:4 NCV
Posted By: Will

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/21/07 02:53 AM

Amen Preacher Dee. I couldn't agree more with you on that
God Bless & Happy Sabbath,
Will
Posted By: Daryl

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/21/07 04:15 AM

Christ said this Himself:

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Luke 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
Posted By: RLW

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/21/07 04:38 AM

The back-and-forth between Vastergotland and Asygo has made me laugh! Oops, I hope that wasn't sinful.
Posted By: Daryl

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/21/07 04:54 AM

RLW,

I guess it boils down to what type, or kind, of laugh you laughed.
Posted By: RLW

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/21/07 05:11 AM

It was a low belly chuckle.

I've no doubt these two individuals are smart, informed, and good Christians. I don't mean to poke fun at them.

To my simplistic way of thinking, it boils down to balance. A person can go to extremes with anything, including humor. The entertainment industry abounds with extreme and crude humor which any follower of Christ will shun. But to be joyful, and to recognize simple humor in life situations, and to be able to express it with a laugh, is a good thing.

A balanced sense of humor is a wonderful stess reliever. I'm glad I know how to engage it.
Posted By: Daryl

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/21/07 05:32 AM

I saw and heard on a TV news item that laughter has health benefits, which is why it's good to
Posted By: Johann

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/21/07 10:31 AM

In Scandinavia we have had aticles about the health benefits of laughter written by top SDA physicians.
Posted By: Redfog

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/22/07 04:39 AM

I have a friend who when I think of someone being Christlike I think of her. Whenever I'm around her or her family there is always laughter, be it at their pets, a clean joke or whatever. I've seen this lady sitting on a log reading her Bible and grinning from ear to ear.

And yes Daryl, I agree, laughter really is the best medicine.

Redfog
Posted By: Daryl

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/26/07 11:02 PM

Humour and laughter is OK as long as it isn't directed against anybody.
Posted By: Daryl

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/27/07 12:01 AM

I should explain further by giving an example well known in this part of Canada.

In this part of Canada, perhaps most likely throughout Canada, you may hear a type of jokes known as Newfoundland jokes. These type of jokes, although very humourous to the extent that upon hearing one you have a hard time not to laugh, are jokes against Newfoundlanders. I am sure similar type of jokes exist in the USA and in other parts of the world.

I really believe that these type of jokes should never be uttered by a Christian. I am not sure if any type of joking is really acceptable.

I can't picture Christ telling jokes. Can you?

In the past I have been on both the giving end and the receiving end of poking fun at a person. For some reason, something not so nice stirs up within when on the receiving end.
Posted By: Tom

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/27/07 01:49 AM

Here's an actual case to consider. There is a topic whose title is "Retribution against those who don't agree with Danny". I misread this as "Retribution against those who don't agree with Daryl" and said something like the following on that thread.

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I keep misreading this as "Retribution against those who don't agree with Daryl" (that's a scary thought!)


Daryl responded by writing:

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Tom Ewall's post was totally uncalled for and was subsequentially deleted.

This serves a warning against future posts like that!!!


I can't remember exactly what I wrote, because the post was deleted, but this is very close if not exact.

Was this in an inappropriate use of humor?

(Daryl gave me permission to post this on this thread. He doesn't want it discussed on the other thread).
Posted By: Redfog

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/27/07 05:35 AM

Was Christ the Creator? If so then yes I can picture Him joking. Ever looked at a platypus? How about a girafe?

And yes I can picture Him telling a joke, or maybe a riddle. But it would never be at the expence of another. In my mind I see Him having laugh lines all over His face from laughter.

Redfog
Posted By: Daryl

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/27/07 05:36 AM

That's the key phrase: "never at the expense of another."
Posted By: Tom

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/27/07 06:16 AM

Daryl, you strike me as a pretty mild mannered person. My comment "that's a scary thought!" was sort of a back-handed compliment. I was saying the opposite of what one would expect of you. If you were someone of whom one feared retribution, then that indeed would be humor at your expense. But you're not. You're not someone who comes across as one that we should be scared of. That's what struck me as funny about my misreading of the topic thread.

"Retribution against those who disagree with Daryl" is almost an oxy-moron. One does not expect Daryl to act in this manner. Somehow my comment was misunderstood by you, I think, as some sort of back-handed complaint, as opposed to a compliment, for which I'm sorry. I thought you would understand what I was saying. One of the problems with internet conversation is that the one of voice can not be communicated. I wrote it with a warm tone, and I had only warm thoughts of you as I wrote it.


Tom
Posted By: Will

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/27/07 08:32 PM

I made a joke when I saw a man walking around in a tanktop and it was -10. I said that he must be from Winnipeg. The joke being that since its usually so cold out there he would not even notice it.
I still think that when I see people wearing spring clothing when its -5, -10 below zero, and the best thing its not an insult. You have to be used to that type of cold.
I always joke with my wife that I am >that< much closer to the Arctic circle now that I am living in Canada heehee =]
God Bless,
Will
Posted By: Daryl

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/27/07 10:43 PM

Tom,

That was the only thing you posted in that post in that very serious and really sad topic, which came across the wrong way to me.

It goes to show how careful we need to be when saying things like that.

I am glad you intended it in a positive light, even though I took it in an entirely different light.

This goes to show that we, myself included, need to be more careful in our humourous remarks.

I am not against humour, however, I need to be on my guard in my printed/posted humourous remarks.

I believe our Saviour isn't a sad-faced person, but rather a happy-faced person, a humourous person, but never at the expense, perceived or otherwise, of others, therefore, I need to be on my guard, as do all of us.
Posted By: Redfog

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/28/07 12:37 AM

I think if we are ever going to direct a joke at someone it should be at ourselves, that way the joke will truely be on us

Redfog
Posted By: RLW

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/28/07 12:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Redfog
I think if we are ever going to direct a joke at someone it should be at ourselves, that way the joke will truely be on us

Redfog


Good point. Plus it provides an almost endless source for comedy!
Posted By: Daryl

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/28/07 01:04 AM

There seems two be three main different kinds of laughter emerging here:

1 - Laughing at others.
2 - Laughing with others.
3 - Laughing at ourselves.
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/28/07 03:01 AM

What about not taking ourselves so seriously that we missinterpret our brothers and sisters?
Posted By: Redfog

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/28/07 05:25 AM

Oh man tell me about it
Posted By: crater

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 01/28/07 06:24 AM

Humor and laughter interesting subjects.

I just want to through out a few questions about laughter for thought and discussion. I am warning in advance I don't know that I have the answers.

What exactly is laughter? Is it a reaction? An emotion? Can we control it? Is it a sin if we can't control it?

After you have answered these questions in your own mind or in a post, then shift to the other end of the scale. What is crying? Is it a reaction? An emotion? Can we control it? Is it a sin if we can't control it?

In some way laughter and tears are closely connected. "Tears of joy", "She laughed so hard she cried" "I laugh to keep from crying" "It is a nervous laugh"
Posted By: D R

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 05/12/07 03:08 AM

Yes, we the sombre faced, with sackcloth and scattered ashes shall be by our merit found worthy.
(by the way, the above statement is a JOKE, NO LAUGHING MATTER! )

Maybe we would all benefit if we would show and have NO EMOTION in the sanctuary???
Posted By: crater

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 05/12/07 09:21 AM

Over the past decade I have been more cognizant of the use of humor. I have decided it is often most likely a tool used subconsciously by a person.

A few observations:

You can get away with saying thing under the guise of humor.

In a group I have seen it used by people to direct attention to themselves.

Sometime to deflect tension.

When embarrassed making a joke to save face.

Many don't seem to be cognizant that they are being manipulated.
Posted By: Daryl

Re: Is Humour and Laughter Acceptable, Unacceptable, or Both Acceptable and Unacceptable? - 05/19/07 12:04 AM

 Originally Posted By: crater

......it is often most likely a tool used subconsciously by a person.

Now that's an interesting thought that I never thought of before.
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