Posted By: Daryl
Lesson Study #3 - Daniel 2 - 07/09/06 05:31 PM
We are now into Lesson #3 on Daniel 2 located at the following link:
http://www.ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/06c/less03.htmlLet the discussion begin here on this week's study topic.
Posted By: Daryl
Re: Lesson Study #3 - Daniel 2 - 07/09/06 05:37 PM
From Sabbath afternoon's intro I quote the following:
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Here was this book, written in the sixth century B.C., laying out the history of the world from Daniel's time through ours, and even beyond. It's hard to see how any rational person, after studying Daniel 2, could come away unimpressed by the prophecy and the God who has revealed Himself in it. In fact, so powerful is Daniel 2 (as well as other parts of the book) as a witness for the Christian faith that, in early centuries of the church, opponents already argued that Daniel was written in the middle of the second century B.C., after the events it talked about, a view still held by many today. This theory, though, is not only unsubstantiated but doesn't explain how the chapter could predict events long centuries beyond the supposed second-century B.C. date of its composition.
How a person can remain an atheist after reading the book of Daniel is beyond my understanding!
Posted By: Daryl
Re: Lesson Study #3 - Daniel 2 - 07/09/06 05:46 PM
Sunday's study is called The Big Picture.
What is The Big Picture?
Posted By: Dora
Re: Lesson Study #3 - Daniel 2 - 07/11/06 05:02 AM
Hi, Daryl and all,
I am especially interested in this quarter's lesson for several reasons. I know the book of Daniel is so important, the Gospel is of the utmost importance, and the judgment is so misunderstood by most people. Also, for the first time ever, I am attempting to teach the adult SS lesson. The Juniors and I spent 6 months in the book of Daniel, and I felt I understood it better than ever before. But, I imagine it will be a bit different teaching adults.
I cannot answer your question yet, Daryl, and will be looking to see what others on here have for an answer. I have a question, which is farther on in the lesson...but I have heard this discussed many times with no conclusion...
In Daniel 2:34,35 exactly what is the "stone cut out without hands...that smote the image, became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth" Is it Jesus Himself, (called the cornerstone) is it His coming into His kingdom on earth, is it His kingdom? If so, what makes up His kingdom? I am reading also from PK,p499, and would appreciate any comment. I do realize it is when Jesus comes and the kingdoms of the world are destroyed. Does anyone else have any inspired Word on this?
Posted By: Dora
Re: Lesson Study #3 - Daniel 2 - 07/12/06 07:54 AM
Thank you, Daryl. I am looking for any additional helpful information for the lesson Study on Sabbath. This is a very interesting observation, and I will be sure it is brought out in the lesson.
Posted By: Will
Re: Lesson Study #3 - Daniel 2 - 07/13/06 09:23 AM
I dont see multiple prophecies because there are 4 kingdoms mentioned with the final kingdom being the eternal kingdom of God on this earth, which is the New Jerusalem.
God Bless,
Will
Posted By: Daryl
Re: Lesson Study #3 - Daniel 2 - 07/13/06 04:32 PM
Does anybody know whether anybody within the SDA Church has tried to inform us otherwise?
Posted By: the1888message
Re: Lesson Study #3 - Daniel 2 - 07/14/06 03:34 AM
As far as the Statue and Beast of Daniel having another meaning. No.
There is not a duel meaning of the Angel would have at the very least would have mentioned something along the lines when Daniel was give the meaning of the visions.
I have heard and even been confronted with one in the church that is promotting such a thing.
Are we not told by Sister White that there are no more time prophecies, after 1844?
Posted By: Tom
Re: Lesson Study #3 - Daniel 2 - 07/14/06 10:24 PM
I think the point that it could have been fulfilled in a different way had Israel been faithful is a very important one. It was never God's plan that Israel should fail.
Posted By: Daryl
Re: Lesson Study #3 - Daniel 2 - 07/14/06 10:33 PM
Do you see any conditions in this prophetic dream?
It seems like God showed what would, not what could, happen in that dream.
But then, there wasn't any condition in the doom of Nineveh, however, the city was spared as a result of their repentance.
Posted By: Daryl
Re: Lesson Study #3 - Daniel 2 - 07/20/06 10:30 PM
The following was orginally posted by Mountain Man from a post in a new topic that was created from a series of posts in which this post was included and since deleted and reposted here:
DF: Do you see any conditions in this prophetic dream?
MM: No.
DF: It seems like God showed what would, not what could, happen in that dream.
MM: I agree.
DF: But then, there wasn't any condition in the doom of Nineveh, however, the city was spared as a result of their repentance.
MM: It was postponed. It eventually was destroyed.
MM: The nature of time stamped prophecies disallows dual applications. The sequence of nations outlined in Daniel's prophecies do not allow for a local application to be fulfilled within one or two generations.
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Sin loses all its power and appeal at the Cross.
Posted By: Kevin H
Re: Lesson Study #3 - Daniel 2 - 07/23/06 08:54 AM
I've been working on two posts for more information (one short and one more detail) but as we are getting farther from the lesson on Daniel 2 I fear people being no longer interested to return to this thread.
To answer the question about conditionality in this prophecy, we need to remember who Daniel is. He is a royal figure, who's ansestery was David and had promises that sounded unconditional, but his trip to Babylon taught him that there were conditions implied. Also he was a student of the great Deuteronomist Theologian, Jeremiah. Deuteronomy is full of conditions and Daniel is based on Deuteronomy, therefore the conditions are implied. The idea of conditions are so central to the Deuteronomic school, Daniel may as well attend a church that reads on the front "The Conditional-Adventist church" and to question the conditionality of the prophecy would be like questioning the importance of Sabbath to Seventh-day Adventists because the heard a sermon by HMS Richards that was on a different topic and did not mention the Sabbath on his broadcast that week.
Deuteronomy predicts that the exile was to be THE LAST DAYS!!! The exile to Daniel brought about the same mental picture that the idea of the Sunday Law brings to us. Therefore I have to dissagree with Mountain Man, I also can not unify his comments with Matthew 24:14, as well as the chapters "Destroyed for lack of knowlege" from Prophets and Kings and "The Role of Israel in Old Testament Prophecy" from the commentary.
Let's not forget Jesus in Matthew 24 gave all sorts of events, but says that THE SIGN of the second coming is "When the gospel is spread to all the world, then shall the end come." The exile could have been the last days. The second coming could have occured in 70 AD. The message of Revelation is that the church lost it's first love and that it needed to "Preach again!" the theam of Revelation is "Preach again!" and if you study the life of the Roman Emperor Domination, who exiled John to Patmos, you would be amazed how much he sounded like the little horn of Daniel 7. The pope is not the only one this fits. We find in these prophecys a oneness of opposits: On the one hand God is in complete control, and can in such uncany detail let us know what we are going to see in history, yet it is events that would happen no matter if history ends up being long or short. Thus God give us freedom of choice to hasten his coming.
In the Old Testament the exile was suposed to end by a second great exodus lead by the messiah. Jesus could have been born and durring the 70 years of exile... however we see that he was born when the world was in a perfect condition for his birth, dispite Israel being offered to have Jesus be born durring the exile, he ended up coming in the fullness of time. So with the prophecys of the second coming, God knows when the perfect time will be, but gives each generation the chance to either be the last generation, or to prepare for their children or at most their grandchildren to be the last generation.