4th Quarter 2019

Here is the link: http://www.ssnet.org/lessons/19d/

Here is the link to Lesson 1: https://ssnet.org/lessons/19d/less01.html

In order to fulfill the starting point...God graciously intervened

Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

the statement is NOT true. and those who propose such a thing are lying.

here is the truth (2 Chron. 36:22-23):

Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying, "Thus says Cyrus king of Persia: All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah. Who is among you of all His people? May the Lord his God be with him, and let him go up!"

but though you try to reason with sda according to the word of God, they shut their eyes and their ears and shout, "nananananananana!"

James, you are so dead set on making fun of sdas that you lose coherence in your comments.

that what you said there is called an ad hominem whereby a statement, yours for example, does not advance the discussion but instead fallaciously accuses the other (me, for example) of "losing coherence, dead setting and making fun"

i quoted the holy scriptures, didn't i?

James,

You correctly found the fulfillment of the prophecy of Jeremiah; however, you have not connected the dots with regard to Daniel's prophecy, which is what the lesson addresses relative to 2300 days (evenings and mornings). Jeremiah did not mention 2300 days; his prophecy was for a time of 70 years of captivity. When the captives first returned from Babylon, following their initial captivity when Daniel and his friends were taken to Babylon, that fulfilled Jeremiah's prophecy. That was in the first year of Cyrus, as the Bible says. But there was a delay between the completion of the 70 years and the start of the 2300 years. We know from the New Testament that at a minimum, this delay included 46 years, because that's how long the second temple was under construction--which occurred during this time. Remember, the first temple, also called Solomon's temple, had been destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar's army. Cyrus helped to furnish supplies for rebuilding the temple, but many delays and hindrances during the times of Ezra and Nehemiah kept it from being finished for decades. After it was completed, there were still some final repairs to the city itself, including its walls, that needed to be made to restore Jerusalem--the city in which God had chosen to place His name--and the third and final decree to accomplish this work of restoration, the decree that initiated Daniel's prophecy, came in the seventh year of Artaxerxes, which you will find in Ezra 7:7 (easy numbers to remember). In total, it was about 70 years that passed between the completion of the captivity and the start of the 2300-year prophecy. These dates are well established in historical references.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I'm not saying the Bible is wrong. I'm not saying God is wrong. But what about Goldstein?

The claim is made that an important point is the detail of the lists. He is suggesting that there is detail in the lists, it is deliberate, it is repeated.

Question: Do you think he compared the lists?

Details like different spellings of names, additional people....?


I suggest that it was not an important point, and in fact, probably is not a point at all. That there is another reason for the lists.

Speaking of,
last week's:



The whole idea of the great controversy was to answer a question. What was that question?
Was it whether satan's form of government was better than God's? Was it to answer whether God was a dictator not allowing people to make their own choices?

So the people were to demonstrate their desire to be dedicated to God.
It wasn't working out how God wanted.
The great controversy demonstration was failing.
So God intervenes?!
He interferes with the playing out of the natural consequences of the great controversy.

The demonstration was not going as planned, so God had to step in and manipulate it to prove His part of the great controversy?
And what would that part be.....
That God controls things to His advantage.....that satan did have a valid objection.....
Hmmm.....

I'm glad God is still in control, and controls things to His advantage!!!!!!
If that weren't the case you and I won't even be here to have a choice.
All would have been lost and no one after Adam and Eve would have had any choice.
This business of insisting that God maintain a "hands off" position is NOT preaching the third angel's message at all -- it's defending the devil who from the beginning was saying God has no business getting in his way.

None of this sin consequences is what God desires -- He HATES SIN and death, He offers life and righteousness !
Does the prolific spread of sin and death mean His plan fails -- NO!!!
No -- the demonstration of God's love is not failing. But it would fail if God did not intervene. Before the flood, mankind, in the full possession of god given intellect and all the riches of earth's wonderful creation demonstrated they would take the gifts of God and use them to crush righteousness and goodness. It was fully demonstrated that sin crushes out all righteousness. Yes, that demonstrated sins great and terrible evil power. But do we recognize how helpless we are in the face of sins great power? It is in the very intervention of stopping the consequences and power of sin and giving people who haven't already sold their souls to the devil the chance to chose life in God, that demonstrated God's love. It is in this very intervention that God's love is demonstrated and free choice is again restored.

But for some strange reason some can't see that, and insist the devil and his agents be given free reign without any intervention from God????
Yet without God's intervention the devil removes all free choice.
It's because God has intervened time and time again, that we have free choice!

Sin will always crush out all righteousness -- and rule with terrible tyranny, holding mankind in absolute and total bondage of slavery with no choice at all.
Why would you insist God sit back and allow this? -- He will not -- He will give everyone free choice, and this can come only because He will intervene and stop sin's tyranny.

The important point in the list of names --
God knows us by name! Not just as "groups of people" He knows each one by name. Each has a purpose in His plan.

We need to study His plan, read His Word over and over -- His covenant -- like the returned exiles -- and take hold of His everlasting covenant.

Last weeks study was all about worship and the part music played in their worship.

1 Chronicles 25:6 AKJV says, "All these were under the hands of their father for song in the house of the LORD, with cymbals, psalteries, and harps, for the service of the house of God, according to the king's order to Asaph, Jeduthun, and Heman."

They obviously used musical instruments back then as most of us do today.

What are ways that you have experienced the joy of worship through music?

In what ways is this important to you?

Lesson #11 was titled "Backslidden People."

Why do people backslide???

Another question:

What are the first signs that a person is backsliding???