Will the Cygnusshoot down the International Space Station?

Cygnus—Bible Prophecy Fulfilled?

“The second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood” (Revelation 8:8).

An angel is a messenger. This angel messenger sounds when it blows the second trumpet. In Ezekiel 33:4-5, trumpets warn the people of impending danger. When this messenger sounds its warning, a great mountain burning with fire is cast into the sea. Strong defines great: prepared on a grand scale. Mountain from an obsolete root (oro) means: to rise up or rear as a mountain rises to its peak and goes down on the other side. The gist of the symbolism may be: to go up and come down. And oro can be further traced to a root meaning a fowl. Burning with fire tells how the grand mountain falls in a brilliant blaze. The blood would be literal if fossil fuel is from the mass graves of men and animals as coal is from ancient forests. The BP oil blow-out in the Gulf of Mexico actually looked like the blood of dead men floating on the sea.

When the Cygnus approacked the ISS Sunday, their computers could not communicate and the docking was aborted.

Docking was rescheduled for Monday night 9/23/13 but before that could happen, it was decided that the land crew should take a week to debug the program and the docking would be 9/28/13 so everybody would have a chance to review the procedure and be well rested.

They have Russian, Japanese, dragon, Cygnus, and maybe another ship or two docking with the ISS. The odd thing is that each of these ships have a different protocol. Nothing uniform about the procedure. That is a disaster in the making.

I still see a better fit to this second trumpet in the events of 9/11.

1) The twin towers were tall, towering over the city like a mountain, and significantly contributing to the city's landscape. It was also an economic "tower" in terms of the world's economy.

2) Many people died in its falling.

3) The fires were hard to put out--so hard, in fact, that they were still burning in January.

4) Waters, e.g. "seas," represent people, nations, multitudes, and tonges. (See Revelation 17:15.) I see the waters as representing all people through their common economies.

When the trade towers fell, the economy took a significant hit. Yes, people literally died in the event. But the "bloodier" part may be symbolic of the general death to business and economy that occurred afterwards in the "sea" of commerce. What we saw at that point was truly a "sea change."

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Not familiar with the term, approacked. Are you trying to merge, approach and attacked? I don't understand any "attacking" to it.


But interesting, you seemed dead set on the space station plunging through a mile deep of water, rupturing the bottom of the ocean and releasing oil. I would have thought you would have latched onto what I heard the other day. A mountain island instantly formed somewhere over by China or something caused by plates jutting over another.

approacked was a typo.

It should have read: When the Cygnus approached the ISS Sunday, their computers could not communicate and the docking was aborted.

"The prophecies of Daniel and of John are to be understood. They interpret each other. They give to the world truths which every one should understand. These prophecies are to be witnesses in the world. By their fulfillment in these last days they will explain themselves." {7BC 949.6}

Recent events relating to the ISS

One of the astronauts nearly drowned in his space suit.

Two astronauts just changes a cooling pump that operates the ac.

And cygnus is scheduled to go back to the iss.

Is the second trumpet getting ready to sound?

The trumpets were fulfilled in the past. They will have another fulfillment after probation closes.

Solemn events before us are yet to transpire. Trumpet after trumpet is to be sounded; vial after vial poured out one after another upon the inhabitants of the earth.--3SM 426 (1890). {LDE 238.1}

One, I don't think the trumpets have begun to sound yet.

See what MM wrote.

His Child,
Would you mind proiding some info on how the4 cygnus is suppose to shoot down the iss? This is in your title, and was wondering how you came to that conclusion.
Is it possible that the mountain could be a large rock, maybe an asteroid that could hit the ocean, or maybe as mentioned above the island that tripled its size in a matter of days, which by the way I found to be a fitting illustration of how God made dry land in one day.
God Bless,
Will

These are the trumpets:

1. a THIRD of the trees (and ALL the green grass) were burned up
2. a THIRD of the sea creatures (and ships) died and were destroyed
3. a THIRD of the waters became wormwood (fatally bitter)
4. a THIRD of the sun, moon and stars (day and night) were struck into darkness

5. all UNSEALED men tormented 5 months by the ANGEL OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT
6. a THIRD of man killed by the FOUR ANGELS OF THE EUPHRATES
7. all the KINGDOMS are given into the hand of Jesus Christ (the Second Advent)

Is there a trend in the progression, an overarching purpose, a reason? Here are the seven last plagues and they seem to want to interpret the meaning of the trumpets as if the trumpets are really THE last work of the Church much like Moses was sent to Egypt to tell Pharaoh, TEN times, "Let my people go!" only this time, the Church does so SEVEN times instead.

1. loathsome sore on men who had the mark of the beast
2. the sea "dies"; and every living creature in the sea died
3. rivers and springs of water became blood (made fatally bitter)
4. men scorched by the sun with fire

5. kingdom of beast (from his throne downwards) grows painfully dark
6. unclean spirits leave the Euphrates for the world, for Armageddon.
7. Babylon falls, earthquake, great hail, Second Advent

The voice of the leadership of the Church to the council of world leaders (Moses to Pharaoh) seem to be the trumpets and the bowls (of plagues) seem to be the response by God when His warning is not heeded through His servants. There is a tantalizingly close one-to-one relationship between trumpets and bowls.

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Interesting, I get from the first trumpet,
hail and fire mixed with blood

which seems closer to a bloody sore than trees do. Though trees and grass are in there too.

Are the Trumpets warnings? What good are warnings if it is too late to head them? What is the reasoning for having the trumpets sound "after probation closes" rather than "before probation closes"?

Do you have a reference for your after statement?

If that were so, what would you have as the first trumpet?

When do you think they will begin to sound?

Hey Will,



An angel is a messenger. This angel messenger sounds when it blows the second trumpet. In Ezekiel 33:4-5, trumpets warn the people of impending danger. When this messenger sounds its warning, a great mountain burning with fire is cast into the sea. Strong defines great: prepared on a grand scale. Mountain from an obsolete root (oro) means: to rise up or rear as a mountain rises to its peak and goes down on the other side. The gist of the symbolism may be: to go up and come down. And oro can be further traced to a root meaning a fowl. Burning with fire tells how the grand mountain falls in a brilliant blaze. The blood would be literal if fossil fuel is from the mass graves of men and animals as coal is from ancient forests. The BP oil blow-out in the Gulf of Mexico actually looked like the blood of dead men floating on the sea.

Both the Cygnus (swan) that is the first craft in a $1.9 billion series and the International Space Station (it is as big as a football stadium) have been prepared on a grand scale and have been sent up, but have yet to come down according to the terms in the prophecy. Is it a coincidence that the word study of mountain in Revelation 8:8 suggests that it is derived from a root that means going up and coming down, and the cargo transport, Cygnus (from the Greek for swan that is currently in orbit preparing to dock with the ISS), is named after a fowl.

Because of the Cygnus, is the ISS to fall as a blazing burning fire into the sea and cause a massive oil spill disaster? Would that be the fulfillment of Revelation 8:8 that the world would understand, or fanciful speculation from unsound Bible study?

As the Cygnus will repeatedly dock with the International Space Station, it could be dogmatically and foolishly stated that this is the fulfillment of Revelation 8:8 in the making. But with each docking when whatever will happen has happened, it could be seen that it was not Bible prophecy fulfilled. On the other hand, it could be argued that Revelation 8:8 has been fulfilled in the past and there is no reason to wonder if Cygnus is going to cause the demise of the ISS. That dogmatic view is equally foolish for a people that are watching and waiting to see Daniel and Revelation explain themselves by their fulfillment in these last days.

Blessings

Please don't retire this thread just yet.

Cygnus goes up to the ISS one more time in October 2014.

Have you noticed that 2 of America's recent attempts to resupply the ISS have failed due to rockets exploding at the time of launch? Millions of dollars worth of supplies were lost.

Russia has just sent a mission to the ISS that is successful thus far.

I am still watching to see if the US is going to accidentally shoot the ISS down, which may fulfill Revelation's prediction of a star falling And it may well coincide with-

Rev_8:10-11 "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

And/or that may be linked to

Rev 16:3 "And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea."

Could one piece of space junk hitting one oil rig at sea start another massive oil spill like the Gulf Spill or pollute a third of the world's fresh water?

We may not have long to wait to see how this will play itself out. America has a few more launches scheduled this year (2015).

'by their fulfillment Daniel and Revelation will explain themselves...'

Prophecy marches on ready or not

Why do you require it to be shot down?

And is "Cygnus—Bible Prophecy Fulfilled?" another of your failed "prophecies" or is Cygnus still in the running?

Cygnus is still in the running.

I don't require it to be "shot" down but as I read the prophecy it will fall to earth and I am wondering if we might be complicit in that scenario in some way.

By their fulfillment Daniel and Revelation will explain themselves. so I am watching several prophecies and wondering how tings will "explain themselves" when all is said and done.

So many folks accept past fulfillment and think that's all there is - ain't no more when the final complete fulfillment is even at the door.

I'm just perplexed as to when the Cygnus was trying to legitimately dock, why you think it would then shoot it down? That seems a most unusual idea. It would be more feasible to think it tries to dock and then bumps it out of orbit. But why you think they need to destroy things, that's unusual. And then you try to map it into Daniel and Revelation, as if they say it will be shot down.

Hmmm.... unless you think God intentionally destroy things, and have this desire to see things destroyed....
If so, that would "explain themselves".

A star will fall from heaven.

The ISS is as big as football fields. It would sure look like a star when and if it should take an unscheduled fall through our atmosphere.

Why are you answering questions not asked?

Again, how do you change "falling from heaven" to being shot down?

You are using the term falling from heaven. What does the Bible say?

The symbolism appears to indicate that the star prophesied to be cast down from heaven will be fulfilled by the ISS perhaps in conjunction with its interaction with the Cygnus space craft. So I watch and wonder.

When it happens (however it will happen), we will understand Daniel and Revelation by their fulfillment.

This is the 9/26/13 study that I did on this topic:

Cygnus—Bible Prophecy Fulfilled?

“The second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood” (Revelation 8:8).

An angel is a messenger. This angel messenger sounds when it blows the second trumpet. In Ezekiel 33:4-5, trumpets warn the people of impending danger. When this messenger sounds its warning, a great mountain burning with fire is cast into the sea. Strong defines great: prepared on a grand scale. Mountain from an obsolete root (oro) means: to rise up or rear as a mountain rises to its peak and goes down on the other side. The gist of the symbolism may be: to go up and come down. And oro can be further traced to a root meaning a fowl. Burning with fire tells how the grand mountain falls in a brilliant blaze. The blood would be literal if fossil fuel is from the mass graves of men and animals as coal is from ancient forests. The BP oil blow-out in the Gulf of Mexico actually looked like the blood of dead men floating on the sea.

“Daniel and the Revelation…the prophecies, so far as they had been fulfilled, had been fulfilled literally; that all the various figures, metaphors, parables, similitudes, etc., were either explained in their immediate connection, or the terms in which they were expressed were defined in other scriptures; and when thus explained were to be literally understood” (GC88 320.2). “The prophecies of Daniel and of John are to be understood. They interpret each other. They give to the world truths which every one should understand. These prophecies are to be witnesses in the world. By their fulfillment in these last days they will explain themselves” (7BC 949.6).

Are God’s Remnant People really supposed to understand Daniel and Revelation as they literally explain themselves by their fulfillment in these last days? Is that an over simplification?

Before there was a Seventh-day Adventist, Adventists discovered that Jesus was coming in 1844. These early Adventist diligently searched for historical evidence to confirm the prophecies that were to be fulfilled prior to Christ’s Advent. But since Jesus did not come, is the pre-1844 prophetic fulfillment of Revelation the final fulfillment, or is there a symbolic mountain poised above earth that is literally going to plunge into the sea?

Both the Cygnus (swan) that is the first craft in a $1.9 billion series and the International Space Station (it is as big as a football stadium) have been prepared on a grand scale and have been sent up, but have yet to come down according to the terms in the prophecy. Is it a coincidence that the word study of mountain in Revelation 8:8 suggests that it is derived from a root that means going up and coming down, and the cargo transport, Cygnus (from the Greek for swan that is currently in orbit preparing to dock with the ISS), is named after a fowl.

Because of the Cygnus, is the ISS to fall as a blazing burning fire into the sea and cause a massive oil spill disaster? Would that be the fulfillment of Revelation 8:8 that the world would understand, or fanciful speculation from unsound Bible study?

Since Revelation 8:8 has been declared fulfilled by the Adventists pioneers, who were expecting Christ’s Second Advent in 1844, should it be assumed that Revelation’s prophecies have been fulfilled and that is the end of the matter? Or should it be understood that the angel’s command to John, “Thou must prophesy again” (10:11), means that Revelation’s prophecies will have a final fulfillment? If Revelation is to prophesy again, Revelation will be fulfilled again!

But the teaching that Revelation’s prophecies repeats is problematic to a class of Seventh-day Adventists that assumes that Daniel and Revelation’s prophecies do not repeat. They hold a one-track prophecy view that is widely accepted and taught within the Church. It hampers a more in-depth study of the Scriptures. It promotes the notion: “The Scriptures have
been fulfilled, go with the historical view and look no further.” And there is another class of Seventh-day Adventists that are afraid to say anything about the pending fulfillment of Bible prophecy. They fear that getting something wrong will bring embarrassment upon the Church.

The Adventist pioneers that banded together to form the SDA Church struggled with similar divisions. When Christ did not come in 1844, some Adventists turned to their Bibles to discover the Sanctuary Doctrine, a pillar of our faith. Other Adventists fell by the wayside when they recalculated the date of Christ’s Advent or failed to see the light when more light shone upon God’s word. But prior to 1844, the Adventists that believed the nearness of Christ’s Second Advent boldly proclaimed it without the fear of embarrassment that is paralyzing our generation.

As the Cygnus prepares to dock with the International Space Station 9/28/13, it could be dogmatically and foolishly stated that this is the fulfillment of Revelation 8:8 in the making. But after the docking when whatever will happen has happened, it could be seen that it was not Bible prophecy fulfilled. On the other hand, it could be argued that Revelation 8:8 has been fulfilled in the past and there is no reason to wonder if Cygnus is going to cause the demise of the ISS. That dogmatic view is equally foolish for a people that are watching and waiting to see Daniel and Revelation explain themselves by their fulfillment in these last days.

From the Spirit of Prophecy counsel, it is not wise to speculate about what will be before it happens. It is wise to understand Revelation’s prophecy when it is fulfilled in these last days. Those who are waiting and watching for Jesus to come must have an eye on the Scriptures. God’s Remnant People must also watch current events through the lens of Bible prophecy. It is not safe to allow the fear of embarrassment to stifle the proclamation of those things that are to precede Christ’s Coming. Being too cautious is no different than being wrong.

If the proper balance between prophecy and history is not understood, extremism will hinder God’s work. It is essential to seek and have the Holy Spirit’s indwelling and illumination
to guide us into a proper understanding of Bible prophecy. Yet not everyone will seek or receive guidance of the Holy Spirit as the parable of the ten virgins warns. The Church will be shaken. It happened after the Adventist pioneers’ misunderstood Christ’s activities in 1844. Many were
shaken out when light moved to greater light. God’s Remnant People will be shaken again before Christ Comes. The sheep will be divided from the goats.

Our faith is not dependent on Cygnus fulfilling Revelation 8:8 on its maiden voyage, or even on a later mission. God’s word will be fulfilled as He ordained it whether we understand it
or not. Faith is dependent on the Holy Spirit abiding in the heart, and He knows all the prophetic particulars. God’s word will accomplish that which He has ordained. When God’s Remnant
People are filled with His Spirit, they will declare the right message for the hour with boldness. And they will pray for the people who are in darkness that they may live to see the light.

Ok, my mistake. I mixed it with someone referring to Revelation 12.

But that was just a distraction. Whether "fall" or "cast", neither one requires "shoot".


Again, how do you change {the verse} to being, "shot down"?

Why do I have to keep asking and you respond to everything I didn't ask, but what I ask?

Me thinks you don't know, you don't have a reason, but it would be dramatic. Or you have already written that it would be "shot down" in a book and therefore you have to go with it....

That is the miracle of miscommunication.

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A primary verb; to throw (in various applications, more or less violent or intense): - arise, cast (out), X dung, lay, lie, pour, put (up), send, strike, throw (down), thrust.

In our terminology, we would likely say "shoot down" if Cygnus were to malfunction in route to the ISS and cause it to plummet from orbit.

Thanks for asking.

Why "shoot down"? Why not "throw down"? You have shown no evidence nor requirement for "shooting" anything.

cast G906

A primary verb; to throw (in various applications, more or less violent or intense): - arise, cast (out), X dung, lay, lie, pour, put (up), send, strike, throw (down), thrust.

Using your pick and choose (though no picking and choosing comes up with "shoot"), this can be none other than the volcano which was thrust up, arose, and sent out and poured out it's content into the sea mentioned some time ago. Last year, I believe.

The ISS is still floating above the earth. It did not get shot down by mistake when new technology flew cargo to it. But now the earth is experiencing a meteor shower with 50-100/hour. The ISS may not be out of the woods.

It is interesting that the ISS escaped being hit by them in the previous years of those same type of meteor showers.

Or the THOUSANDS of other satellites in orbit. Amazing, right? Not really....

"The International Space Station (ISS) is currently 240 ft / 73 m (length) by 356 ft (108.5 m) wide." When it falls, it will burn in the atmosphere surpassing any satellite that may be the size of a small car or huge School bus.

The ISS weights 450 tons. Peanuts compared to the Chelyabinsk meteor of 2013 estimated to be 13-14000 tons.

Is this a prophecy which can never be disproved? If something, anything, doesn't have to fall, or be shot down, but if anything happens, US shoots it down, Russia shoots it down, meteors hit it, then His child will say "fulfillment". And if nothing happens, then it is yet future.

Why not say, the gulf of Mexico is actually an extinct volcano just waiting to blow up, and a meteor is going to pass through the atmosphere and trigger it. If not this year, then next year, or the next, .....

Totally disprovable.
Totally a personally held opinion. Even if outlandish.

Reminds one of
"A new Global Economic Restructure in

2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018....

The space station is going to be shot down in
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018....

A long time ago when men rode on camels and boasted how a message could cross the desert in a month, a caravan of foreigners rested by an oasis. That night an east wind drove a storm over the area so that when the men got up, the water had disappeared. Everywhere they looked, they saw only sand.

Loosing their bearings, they wandered about, desperately trying to find the way. One said this, the other said that. One saw signs in the stars, others in the moon. Still others interpreted the shape of the dunes.

By and by, the driving heat and exhaustion and thirst took their toll and the men became delirious. Great and mighty prophets arose, speaking of doom and gloom, hope and glory; and the rest, they paid rapt attention and took copious notes in the shifting sand, writing furiously with their fingers.

I came upon that group once, in the visions of the night. And it occurred to me that should the desert be a pot of water, and the pot be set on heat, inevitably, bubbles will arise.

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my points were and continues to be

1) that the ISS will fall to earth in a flame of glory.
2) That will fulfill an aspect of Revelation 8.
3) The bigger they make it the bigger target it is.
4) The more meteor showers and the more meteors present in a shower increases the probability of significant impact
5) because it has not happened in the years that the ISS has been in orbit, is no guarantee that it will never happen
6) the Leonids (Nov 6-30 peaking Nov 16-17) have had meteors too many to count


This has nothing to do with what I am saying
*the size of objects that have struck earth in the past
unless a large object grazes earth's atmosphere and knocks the ISS out of orbit

But if a meteor knocks it down, it won't be 'shot' down.

And just because Japan has not shot it out into outer space never to be seen again, is no guarantee that it will never happen....

And your point is?

Does not match the title of this thread.
Or
Wild speculation of what might be is not proof of anything.