COVID Hall of Shame

Posted By: kland

COVID Hall of Shame - 03/26/21 04:16 PM,-offering-counsel

Shame on them using Ellen White to promote drugs!

?We trust the FDA and CDC....

"The Bible says that human bodies are the Lord?s temple, and they are tasked with protecting them. It also says, Love your neighbors as yourself. During the coronavirus pandemic, both of these responsibilities mean doing all we can to protect ourselves and others from COVID-19."

Yeah? And how does me getting vaccinated protect anyone else? They could get vaccinated, if they live in fear. There's no point of destroying my body, the Lord's temple, for what the CDC says won't prevent disease, won't prevent spreading, and you still have to wear your mask.

Shame on AdventHealth Staff.
Posted By: dedication

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 03/29/21 08:00 PM

Yes, the church is standing 100% behind the actions of governments in this Covid pandemic

It disheartens me.

It's true that "the end-time controversy will center on the law of God, and particularly on the fourth commandment"
And yet the church turns a blind eye and refuses to see how present laws are being enacted that will make mandatory Sunday laws (which people for years have said could never be made mandatory) an easy and seemingly logical next step.

"Seventh-day Adventists understand the ?mark of the beast? to be not a literal mark but a sign of allegiance that identifies the bearer as loyal to the power represented by the beast"

Yet isn't everything that's happening forcing the world to do things that are not "normal" calling it the "new normal" grooming the world to give unquestioning allegiance to the power of the beast and his image?

"consumption of unclean food and blood (Lev 11:1?20; 17:11?12; Acts 15:20) do not apply to vaccines for the obvious reason that vaccines are produced as medication to save lives, not to serve as food."

Since when is this "tradition" acceptable to replace the command of God?
Let many now ask, "Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?" It is the Lord's purpose that His method of healing without drugs shall be brought into prominence (Medical Ministry, p. 325)
Let them pray for the sick, ministering to their necessities, not with drugs, but with nature's remedies, and teaching them how to regain health and avoid disease.--(Testimonies, Vol. 9, pp. 171, 172).
Under cover of the medical profession, what iniquities have been practiced, what delusions supported! The physician may claim to possess great wisdom and marvelous skill, while at the same time his character is abandoned, and his practice contrary to the laws of health. ...They say we are not living as we ought, and prescribe changes that are contrary to the light God has sent. Brethren, how can the Lord let his blessing rest upon us when we are going right upon the enemy's ground? {CTBH 113.1}

"Hopefully an effective vaccine will help to bring the current pandemic to a halt."
This statement sees the current problem only as a disease and the reactions only as reactions to halt the disease. But the issues are MUCH deeper, broader with longer results.

Will the vaccine halt the disease?
Even the producers of vaccines say it is doing the OPPOSITE,
while the vaccination does combat the original Covid-19 virus, the virus itself is mutating into stronger strains that are even more deadly. There have been many mutations in Sars-CoV-2, the original virus that caused Covid-19, and the usual "two step" vaccination program, stimulates the virus to mutate to defeat the barrier the vaccination gave, before the second shot is given that would bring the antibodies to full strength against the CoV-2 original strain.
It is pretty much certain that a vaccine resistant supercovid virus will be sweeping the world shortly -- some say by June of this year.
Of course this will then be blamed on the fact that not everyone was vaccinated. Never on the vaccination program itself.
Next step -- new vaccines will be manufactured to try to stop the 'supervirus' and the mandate goes out that all must receive it. But that won't stop the mutations. So more vaccines are manufactured and mandated and -- well there is no end. Soon everybody will be required to take multiple vaccines every year, while the virus just keeps mutating!!! There is no end (at least not from a worldly standpoint) to this accelerating program.

What are the solutions being promoted?

GLOBAL forced vaccination.

According to the UK Express March 16, 2021
Lucas Ferrant, a biologist at the National Institute for Amazon Research....speaking to German news website Spiegel....
The biologist said: "We will experience a third wave with the P1 variant in around June,.... "This third wave has the potential to become even more deadly....
Mr Ferrante warned that if only a small proportion of the world's population is vaccinated, then the chance of a vaccine-resistant mutant developing is "particularly high"....
"A global pandemic can only be stopped on a global level.

"It is of no use if 100 percent of all Germans are vaccinated and in the meantime new, vaccine-resistant mutants are emerging in Brazil.

"The virus always finds a way."

As a result, he has appealed for the global production of vaccines to be considerably ramped up, with the doses distributed "fairly and sensibly".

And in a huge warning to Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, the expert added: "The Europeans and the US need to put much more pressure on the Bolsonaro government.

"Economic sanctions must not be taboo either.
It would probably have been better just to let the virus play itself out, instead of stimulating it to produce superviruses with the vaccination.
Just like they never stopped the flu virus, they won't be able to stop the covid virus.

And no, vaccination, face masks etc. are NOT the MARK of the Beast.

However, in order for the "beast" and His "image" to enforce the actual MARK of the beast globally, they first must establish the ability to enforce global mandates complete with Economic Sanctions. And that is what they are doing NOW, they are clearing the path and paving it, preparing the WAY; and sometime in the very near future, under the guise of saving the earth and for the common good of all nations, the global Sunday mandate will follow. It's already being promoted.
Posted By: dedication

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 04/03/21 10:32 PM

3ABN hosted a two hour program on the Covid vax.
Aired Thursday evening April 1, Friday morning April 2, and will air again Sunday afternoon April 4, and Tuesday morning April 6.
Six doctors telling the viewers that the vax is a good thing and even encouraging parents to get their children aged two and up vaccinated. Basically they were giving the standard high pressure media information.

I already knew most of the Conferences were 100% in step with all the "new normal" stuff, but was really quite shocked and disappointed to see 3ABN supporting it like this.

Well- with all the censorship going on, and all the propaganda and actions taking place, that disparages any alternative media sources that question the State?s narrative as dangerous organizations linked to disinformation, it isn't totally surprising. And with the possible imposing of blockage from popular media outlets upon those pointing out problems, I guess the church is more interested in maintaining its status rather than taking note of what is really going on.

Of interest --
search the web for all the pastors, priests, rabbis and other religious influential people,
who THIS VERY EASTER WEEKEND are giving messages to halt vaccine hesitancy.

Why on EASTER WEEKEND (when many who rarely tune in to church, do tune in) are so many influential religious urging the vaccine upon their flock?

Seems that several weeks ago Walter Veith shared evidence that the promoters were planning to get religious leaders to urge their flocks to take the vaccine? Seems it is all part of getting this experimental substance into EVERYONE .
Posted By: kland

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 06/23/21 02:25 PM

At the same time, we have been entrusted with the Adventist health message embodied in and expanded upon by the writings of Ellen White, summarizing healthful living through practical and wholistic healthy lifestyle behaviors.

Amen! So no need for artificial injections of chemicals, right?

We advocate all of these practices to maintain a healthy immune system, and in the pandemic, even more is needed. Ellen White was not only an inspired conduit of health information much ahead of her time, but she modeled practical prevention in the face of the lethal disease in her era, smallpox, and took the immunization herself, as did those close to her.1 Today, smallpox has been globally eradicated.

While God is a great designer of our health, He needs to be helped at times?
But did D.E. Robinson say anything about her and vaccinations prior to that time? Why did he change his comments? And has smallpox been eradicated because of vaccines? Was that subjected to science or only to vaccine promoters' opinion?

Pseudo "facts" parroted by NAD:
mRNA -
Since it does not enter the nucleus of the host cell, it does not change the DNA or genetic structure/function.

"has found that a specific sequence of messenger RNA (mRNA), which exists outside cells, binds to receptors on the surface of natural killer (NK) cells and is taken up into the nucleus. "
"Using molecular beacons to track single mRNA molecules in living cells, we have characterized the diffusion of mRNP complexes in the nucleus."
and many more.

The first dose showed a 50-percent immune response protection. The second dose reached 95 percent protection!

Protection? From what? I cut my hand and stick it in cow manure and I get an "immune response". But that doesn't mean I'm immune to anything. If I cut my hand again and stick it in cow manure but don't get an "immune response", would that be a good thing or bad thing?

There are no preservatives in these two COVID-19 vaccines, which is why they require deep freeze/freezer facilities for storage and transport. The vaccine is carefully purified.

No preservatives? Interesting. Why not list the vaccines?
And what is in the mRNA???
"Recombinant, replication-incompetent adenovirus type 26 expressing the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein:a modified and harmless version of a different virus (Adenovirus 26) is used as a ?vector? to deliverthe DNA gene sequence to produce the coronavirus spike protein. "

Vector?! Yikes!
Vectors are used in some GMO gene insertions.
Who decides and how, to what degree the other virus is "harmless"?
What happens to the code of this "harmless" virus?
'Just trust us, go ahead, drink the kool-aide'

"Once the modified adenovirus vaccine enters into the cells, the body of the virus essentially disintegrates and the DNA material within it travels into the nucleus of the human cell where it is transcribed into mRNA. "

But wait, I thought NAD parroted that it did NOT enter the nucleus!

Should we blindly "trust"?


"The Oxford vaccine uses what is called a ?viral vector? approach. The scientific team took an adenovirus ? a type of pathogen that causes a common cold ? and spliced in the same spike protein genetic sequence from the coronavirus."

Hmmm... combining adenovirus with coronavirus. I wonder if they could possibly have recombination to create a more virulent common cold virus? If you incubate it in enough people, who knows....

"So yes, the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine does actually mean a genetically engineered virus is injected into your body."
"Yes, some COVID vaccines use genetic engineering. Get over it."
Posted By: kland

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 06/23/21 02:34 PM

?If you get vaccinated, you've protected yourself. And you no longer spread it to others so you are benefiting the community.?
This is an important reason why we should prayerfully and thoughtfully consider a vaccine ? not just your care for your own body, but your care for the vulnerable people you encounter.?
But if I follow our health message, then I've already protected myself and won't likely get sick from the coronavirus. And if others follow the health message I cannot spread it to them. And if they follow the propaganda and get vaccinated, I cannot spread it to them, right? So why this propaganda dishonesty from our church leaders? Only adds to the conspiracy that leaders are involved in the future plans.

Landless continued, ?Never forget, the reason this Church was given a health message was not so that we could be long-lived sinners. It?s because our work is not yet finished. When asked that question Ellen White was very clear. We were given this message because our work is not yet done. So whatever means God entrusts to us, gives to us ? if it's helpful, if it's sensible, if it stands the tests of evidence-based, peer-reviewed health science and is carefully and responsibly done ? I do not believe that [using] this is a denial of our faith.?

Except it does NOT stand the tests of evidence-based, peer-reviewed health science.

Yes, it appears a good majority of our leaders have joined with the beast. I can just hear them when the sunday laws start becoming enforced. Just more of the same spinning.
Posted By: Matthew 10vs8

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 06/23/21 11:42 PM

"... Vaccines are important to the health of a community," said Williams, chair of the Department of Social and Behavioral Sciences at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. "If you get vaccinated, you've protected yourself. And you no longer spread it to others so you are benefiting the community. ..."" -

Except that both points stated by DSBS (I think it really means 'Deep State Bull Sticky') are demonstrably untrue:

From the CDC (current):

"... We are still learning how effective the vaccines are against new variants of the virus that causes COVID-19. ..."

"...We are still learning how well vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to others, even if you do not have symptoms. ..." -

"... a small percentage of fully vaccinated people will still get COVID-19. There is some evidence that vaccination may make illness less severe in people who get vaccinated but still get sick. ..." - -

"... Additionally, CDC does not maintain or monitor a person's vaccination records. ..." - -

"... it's possible a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and still get sick. This is because the vaccine has not had enough time to provide protection. ..." - -


"... These bits of evidence are promising. But without more studies, scientists cannot yet conclude that COVID-19 vaccines really do protect against all transmission. ..." -

WHO (World Health Organization):

"... Being vaccinated does not mean that we can throw caution to the wind and put ourselves and others at risk, particularly because research is still ongoing into how much vaccines protect not only against disease but also against infection and transmission. ..." -


"... Other data from Israel suggests that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine may reduce transmission even in the event that it doesn't prevent infection. ...

... people who became infected after inoculation ..." -

Scientific American:

"... They found that if a vaccine protects 80 percent of those immunized and 75 percent of the population is vaccinated, it could largely end an epidemic without other measures such as social distancing. "Otherwise, you won't be able to rely on the vaccine to return us to "normal,"" says Bruce Y. Lee, a co-author of the paper and a professor at the CUNY Graduate School of Public Health and Health Policy. That is, if the vaccine only prevents disease or reduces viral shedding rather than eliminating it, additional public health measures may still be necessary. ..." -

Oh, they talk about 'early data', but that data is spotty at best, and massively under reported (since it has to be reported to them, since they [CDC] just admitted of not keeping or monitoring a person's vaccination records, as that is up to local physicians, etc). Did you read that, "We are still learning ..."? It means that the general populace IS (currently) the guinea pig, is the test phase.

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Posted By: Matthew 10vs8

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 06/24/21 12:43 AM

No matter what I say, or tell you, or someone else (among mankind tells you, or even an "angel from Heaven" (Gal. 1:8)) on any subject, follow what God's Word (KJB) says, and know what it says on any subject, in all matters of faith and practice for yourself and be able to explain your belief and actions on His word. It is your personal duty toward God to stand for the right though the Heavens fall. If you simply follow what I say, you will be led astray at some point (major or minor), and thus I will have failed you in giving Godly counsel. The true counsellors of God are His testimonies (Psa. 119:24, and thus have a multitude therein, Pro. 11:14). Thus if what I say and do agrees with His word, then accept, but if not, reject. Disagreement on any subject is not necessarily evil, listen:

The word "Vaccine", or "Vaccination", comes etymologically from:

"vaccination (n.)

1800, used by British physician Edward Jenner (1749-1823) for the technique he devised of preventing smallpox by injecting people with the cowpox virus (variolae vaccinae), from vaccine (adj.) "pertaining to cows, from cows" (1798), from Latin vaccinus "from cows," from vacca "cow," a word of uncertain origin. "The use of the term for diseases other than smallpox is due to Pasteur" [OED]." - vaccination | Origin and meaning of vaccination by Online Etymology Dictionary -

Which brings to the next point about what has always been said about Vaccines, scientifically and medically, is that they are made from, and often carry, animal embryo, DNA, of either "bovine" (cow), monkey, dog, pig, or chicken (are the primary animals used), and even aborted human fetal (baby) tissue, along with all manner of other stabilizers, catalysts, suppressants, etc.

You can see some of that here, from the CDC excipient list:

mRNA "vaccines" aren't even real "vaccines", as they do not meet the definition of "vaccine". mRNA literally rewrites the cell's instruction, making the cell an antigen, which then produces pieces of foreign toxin, that which the body sees as a threat and attacks and eliminates right down to the corrupted cell. The immune system is made weaker, since the body is now become 'autoimmune' and sees its own cells (now threats) as enemies.

Looking at this from a theological point of view, let us bring the subject back up to a higher plane, and speak spiritually.

The Church, is likened unto a Body:

Eph_5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Col_1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Col_1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:​

And so, if we consider that a virus, is like a deadly foreign toxin that invades a "body", we can liken it unto evil or bad belief/doctrine/practice that corrupts the body and can even get the body to fight itself (auto-immune).

The "body", the Church, has an immune system, the general outer body first, then leaders, like deacons and elders, pastors, etc that all heresies, error must get past first, before it can infect the whole, and a standard, the Bible, which all things are checked before admission into the body. For instance, a pervert, an adulterer, or someone like a known Jim Jones, etc, is not accepted into the Body, right?

Would any healthy "body" seek to bypass the outer defenses, and inject straight into the pulpit, a known heretical professor of foreign belief (like atheism, occultism, etc), doctrine or practice and see how the church reacts from it? or allow such person, or multiple persons (like multiple vaccines) to teach for 6 months to the whole body? Would that be sanity or insanity? Healthy or unhealthy?

What if we first weakened the person by blindfolding them, and then allowing them to preach from the pulpit or classroom for so long a time? Would that be any different?

What if we placed such persons, with venomous doctrines, beliefs and practices (by passing the body) straight into the theological seminaries, where they could readily disseminate throughout the whole body their materials? Just like a vaccine does to a human body?

What if we instead, or in addition, weakened all the deacons, elders, pastors, teachers in the church, by placing stoppers in their ears, and then allowed such foreign elements to come in and teach to the rest of the body, just as like weakening the immune system and white blood cells through aluminum and other adjuvants in the vaccines?

I know of a Beast (Genesis 3:1) in the Bible that likes to inject poisons through a needle-like fang - the serpent.

Jer_48:44? "He that fleeth from the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that getteth up out of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for I will bring upon it, ..."

They will actually cause the very epidemic they hoped to avoid.? They make of their own immune system (cells through mRNA) the eternal producer, which in time, mutates, and thus becomes not merely a single strain, but thousands.

God has warned them.

Pro 1:22? How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
Pro 1:23? Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
Pro 1:24? Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
Pro 1:25? But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
Pro 1:26? I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
Pro 1:27? When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
Pro 1:28? Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
Pro 1:29? For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
Pro 1:30? They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
Pro 1:31? Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
Pro 1:32? For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

They have chosen their strong delusion, and delight in it.? Let them enjoy it while they can.

Think about this, please:

Rev 16:2? And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

A plague (of health; Psalms 91:3) is coming for which there will be no cure.? An irreversible disease.

Once people start messing with genes-splicing, DNA, RNA, mRNA, and other cellular level 'cures' (thinking to add or take away from the word of God, for DNA is language), they are priming themselves for an irreversible disease, one they can no longer 'control' (if you thought that the imaginary tale of Jurassic park and uncontained Raptors was bad, wait until you have rampant evil RPTOR's on the loose - RPTOR - Wikipedia).?? Something which cannot be undone.? It is coming.? I told you in advance.

The "earth" is even tied to the beast of the "earth" in Revelation 13.? Apostate protestant America, the very "image" to the beast of the "Sea" (Revelation 13, 16:3).

Because mankind rejects the health law of God, they will reap what they sow (sow to the wind, reap the whirlwind, a larger storm), and always more than they sow, some 30, some 60 and some 100 fold.? The law of sowing/reaping is a fundamental principle of God's created order.

"... Any man, be he minister or layman, who seeks to compel or control the reason of any other man becomes an agent of Satan to do his work; and in the sight of the heavenly universe, he bears the mark of Cain. ..." - MS 29, Nov. 17 1911, par. 60 -

"...?To give prudence to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.?
For ages education has had to do chiefly with the memory. This faculty has been taxed to the utmost, while the other mental powers have not been correspondingly developed. Students have spent their time in laboriously crowding the mind with knowledge, very little of which could be utilized. The mind thus burdened with that which it cannot digest and assimilate is weakened; it becomes incapable of vigorous, self-reliant effort, and is content to depend on the judgment and perception of others.

Seeing the evils of this method, some have gone to another extreme. In their view, man needs only to develop that which is within him. Such education leads the student to self-sufficiency, thus cutting him off from the source of true knowledge and power.
The education that consists in the training of the memory, tending to discourage independent thought, has a moral bearing which is too little appreciated. As the student sacrifices the power to reason and judge for himself, he becomes incapable of discriminating between truth and error, and falls an easy prey to deception. He is easily led to follow tradition and custom.

It is a fact widely ignored, though never without [page 230-231] danger, that error rarely appears for what it really is. It is by mingling with or attaching itself to truth that it gains acceptance. The eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil caused the ruin of our first parents, and the acceptance of a mingling of good and evil is the ruin of men and women today. The mind that depends upon the judgment of others is certain, sooner or later, to be misled.

The power to discriminate between right and wrong we can possess only through individual dependence upon God. Each for himself is to learn from Him through His word. Our reasoning powers were given us for use, and God desires them to be exercised. ?Come now, and let us reason together? (Isaiah 1:18), He invites us. In reliance upon Him we may have wisdom to ?refuse the evil, and choose the good.? Isaiah 7:15; James 1:5. ..." - Education, pages 230-231 -

"... Some men have no firmness of character. They are like a ball of putty and can be pressed into any conceivable shape. They are of no definite form and consistency, and are of no practical use in the world. This weakness, indecision, and inefficiency must be overcome. There is an indomitableness about true Christian character which cannot be molded or subdued by adverse circumstances. Men must have moral backbone, an integrity which cannot be flattered, bribed, or terrified. ..." - Testimonies For The Church, Vol. 5, page 297 -

"...But there is no union between the Prince of light and the prince of darkness, and there can be no union between their followers. When Christians consented to unite with those who were but half converted from paganism, they entered upon a path which led further and further from the truth. Satan exulted that he had succeeded in deceiving so large a number of the followers of Christ. He then brought his power to bear more fully upon these, and inspired them to persecute those who remained true to God. None understood so well how to oppose the true Christian faith as did those who had once been its defenders; and these apostate Christians, uniting with their half-pagan companions, directed their warfare against the most essential features of the doctrines of Christ.
It required a desperate struggle for those who would be faithful to stand firm against the deceptions and abominations which were disguised in sacerdotal garments and introduced into the church. The Bible was not accepted as the standard of faith. The doctrine of religious freedom was termed heresy, and its upholders were hated and proscribed.
After a long and severe conflict, the faithful few decided to dissolve all union with the apostate church if she still refused to free herself from falsehood and idolatry. They saw that separation was an absolute necessity if they would obey the word of God. They dared not tolerate errors fatal to their own souls, and set an example which would imperil the faith of their children and children's children. To secure peace and unity they were ready to make any concession consistent with fidelity to God; but they felt that even peace would be too dearly purchased at the sacrifice of principle. If unity could be secured only by the compromise of truth and righteousness, then let there be difference, and even war. ..." - The Great Controversy 1911, page 45 -

Beware therefore, of the 'paganism' of the customs of the people, and their actions and beliefs, even if they come from me or from the church members, doctors or even family.

?In matters of conscience the soul must be left untrammeled. No one is to control another's mind, to judge for another, or to prescribe his duty. God gives to every soul freedom to think, and to follow his own convictions. "Every one of us shall give account of himself to God." No one has a right to merge his own individuality in that of another. In all matters where principle is involved, ?let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.? Romans 14:12, 5. In Christ's kingdom there is no lordly oppression, no compulsion of manner. The angels of heaven do not come to the earth to rule, and to exact homage, but as messengers of mercy, to co-operate with men in uplifting humanity.? {The Desire of Ages, 550.6} -

"The foundation of Christianity is Christ our righteousness. Men are individually accountable to God, and each must act as God moves upon him, not as he is moved by the mind of another; for if this manner of labor is pursued, souls cannot be impressed and directed by the Spirit of the great I am. They will be kept under a restraint which allows no freedom of action or of choice." {Testimonies for the Church, Volume 5, 725.2} -

SDA - Vance Ferrell - The Vaccination Crisis

SDA Raymond Obomsawin 1. Letter To SDA, GC & NAD Church Leaders

SDA Raymond Obomsawin 2 Alarming Actuallties Pandemic & COVID 19 Vaccines Pt 2

SDA Raymond Obomsawin 3 Epidemiological Survey Graphs Vaccinated Vs Unvaccinated

SDA Raymond Obomsawin 4 God?s Church At A Crossroads Dr J Chou

SDA Raymond Obomsawin 5 SDA Church Pacific Union Vaccine Memo

SDA Raymond Obomsawin 6 Historical Actualities Immunity Disease & Vaccination Pt 1

"Chapter 8 - The Physician, An Educator

The true physician is an educator. He recognizes his responsibility, not only to the sick who are under his direct care, but also to the community in which he lives. He stands as a guardian of both physical and moral health. It is his endeavor not only to teach right methods for the treatment of the sick, but to encourage right habits of living, and to spread a knowledge of right principles.

Need of Education in Health Principles

Education in health principles was never more needed than now. Notwithstanding the wonderful progress in so many lines relating to the comforts and conveniences of life, even to sanitary matters and to the treatment of disease, the decline in physical vigor and power of endurance is alarming. It demands the attention of all who have at heart the well-being of their fellow men.

Our artificial civilization is encouraging evils destructive of sound principles. Custom and fashion are at war with nature. The practices they enjoin, and the indulgences they foster, are steadily lessening both physical and mental strength, {pg 125 > 126} and bringing upon the race an intolerable burden. Intemperance and crime, disease and wretchedness, are everywhere.

Many transgress the laws of health through ignorance, and they need instruction. But the greater number know better than they do. They need to be impressed with the importance of making their knowledge a guide of life. The physician has many opportunities both of imparting a knowledge of health principles and of showing the importance of putting them in practice. By right instruction he can do much to correct evils that are working untold harm.

A practice that is laying the foundation of a vast amount of disease and of even more serious evils is the free use of poisonous drugs. When attacked by disease, many will not take the trouble to search out the cause of their illness. Their chief anxiety is to rid themselves of pain and inconvenience. So they resort to patent nostrums, of whose real properties they know little, or they apply to a physician for some remedy to counteract the result of their misdoing, but with no thought of making a change in their unhealthful habits. If immediate benefit is not realized, another medicine is tried, and then another. Thus the evil continues.

People need to be taught that drugs do not cure disease. It is true that they sometimes afford present relief, and the patient appears to recover as the result of their use; this is because nature has sufficient vital force to expel the poison and to correct the conditions that caused the disease. Health is recovered in spite of the drug. But in most cases the drug only changes the form and location of the disease. Often the effect of the poison seems to be overcome for a time, but the results remain in the system and work great harm at some later period.

By the use of poisonous drugs, many bring upon themselves lifelong illness, and many lives are lost that might be {pg 126 > 127} saved by the use of natural methods of healing. The poisons contained in many so-called remedies create habits and appetites that mean ruin to both soul and body. Many of the popular nostrums called patent medicines, and even some of the drugs dispensed by physicians, act a part in laying the foundation of the liquor habit, the opium habit, the morphine habit, that are so terrible a curse to society.

The only hope of better things is in the education of the people in right principles. Let physicians teach the people that restorative power is not in drugs, but in nature. Disease is an effort of nature to free the system from conditions that result from a violation of the laws of health. In case of sickness, the cause should be ascertained. Unhealthful conditions should be changed, wrong habits corrected. Then nature is to be assisted in her effort to expel impurities and to re-establish right conditions in the system.

Natural Remedies

Pure air, sunlight, abstemiousness, rest, exercise, proper diet, the use of water, trust in divine power?these are the true remedies. Every person should have a knowledge of nature?s remedial agencies and how to apply them. It is essential both to understand the principles involved in the treatment of the sick and to have a practical training that will enable one rightly to use this knowledge.

The use of natural remedies requires an amount of care and effort that many are not willing to give. Nature?s process of healing and upbuilding is gradual, and to the impatient it seems slow. The surrender of hurtful indulgences requires sacrifice. But in the end it will be found that nature, untrammeled, does her work wisely and well. Those who persevere in obedience to her laws will reap the reward in health of body and health of mind. {pg 127 > 128}

Too little attention is generally given to the preservation of health. It is far better to prevent disease than to know how to treat it when contracted. It is the duty of every person, for his own sake, and for the sake of humanity, to inform himself in regard to the laws of life and conscientiously to obey them. All need to become acquainted with that most wonderful of all organisms, the human body. They should understand the functions of the various organs and the dependence of one upon another for the healthy action of all. They should study the influence of the mind upon the body, and of the body upon the mind, and the laws by which they are governed. ..."

"... Training for Life's Conflict

We cannot be too often reminded that health does not depend on chance. It is a result of obedience to law. This is recognized by the contestants in athletic games and trials of strength. These men make the most careful preparation. They submit to thorough training and strict discipline. Every physical habit is carefully regulated. They know that neglect, excess, or carelessness, which weakens or cripples any organ or function of the body, would ensure defeat.

How much more important is such carefulness to ensure success in the conflict of life. It is not mimic battles in which we are engaged. We are waging a warfare upon which hang eternal results. We have unseen enemies to meet. Evil angels are striving for the dominion of every human being. Whatever injures the health, not only lessens physical vigor, but tends to weaken the mental and moral powers. Indulgence in any unhealthful practice makes it more difficult for one to discriminate between right and wrong, and hence more difficult to resist evil. It increases the danger of failure and defeat. {pg 128 > 129}

?They which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize.? 1 Corinthians 9:24. In the warfare in which we are engaged, all may win who will discipline themselves by obedience to right principles. The practice of these principles in the details of life is too often looked upon as unimportant?a matter too trivial to demand attention. But in view of the issues at stake, nothing with which we have to do is small. Every act casts its weight into the scale that determines life?s victory or defeat. The scripture bids us, ?So run, that ye may obtain.? Verse 24.

With our first parents, intemperate desire resulted in the loss of Eden. Temperance in all things has more to do with our restoration to Eden than men realize.

Pointing to the self-denial practiced by the contestants in the ancient Greek games, the apostle Paul writes: ?Every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: but I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.? Verses 25-27.

The progress of reform depends upon a clear recognition of fundamental truth. While, on the one hand, danger lurks in a narrow philosophy and a hard, cold orthodoxy, on the other hand there is great danger in a careless liberalism. The foundation of all enduring reform is the law of God. We are to present in clear, distinct lines the need of obeying this law. Its principles must be kept before the people. They are as everlasting and inexorable as God Himself.

One of the most deplorable effects of the original apostasy was the loss of man?s power of self-control. Only as this power is regained can there be real progress. {pg 129 > 130} ..."

"... {pg 130} The body is the only medium through which the mind and the soul are developed for the upbuilding of character. Hence it is that the adversary of souls directs his temptations to the enfeebling and degrading of the physical powers. His success here means the surrender to evil of the whole being. The tendencies of our physical nature, unless under the dominion of a higher power, will surely work ruin and death.

The body is to be brought into subjection. The higher powers of the being are to rule. The passions are to be controlled by the will, which is itself to be under the control of God. The kingly power of reason, sanctified by divine grace, is to bear sway in our lives.

The requirements of God must be brought home to the conscience. Men and women must be awakened to the duty of self-mastery, the need of purity, freedom from every depraving appetite and defiling habit. They need to be impressed with the fact that all their powers of mind and body are the gift of God, and are to be preserved in the best possible condition for His service.

In that ancient ritual which was the gospel in symbol, no blemished offering could be brought to God?s altar. The sacrifice that was to represent Christ must be spotless. The word of God points to this as an illustration of what His children are to be??a living sacrifice,? ?holy and without blemish,? ?well-pleasing to God.? Romans 12:1 R.V., margin; Ephesians 5:27.

Apart from divine power, no genuine reform can be effected. Human barriers against natural and cultivated tendencies are but as the sandbank against the torrent. Not until the life of Christ becomes a vitalizing power in our lives can we resist the temptations that assail us from within and from without.

Christ came to this world and lived the law of God, that man might have perfect mastery over the natural inclinations which corrupt the soul. The Physician of soul and body, {pg 130 > 131} He gives victory over warring lusts. He has provided every facility, that man may possess completeness of character.

When one surrenders to Christ, the mind is brought under the control of the law; but it is the royal law, which proclaims liberty to every captive. By becoming one with Christ, man is made free. Subjection to the will of Christ means restoration to perfect manhood.

Obedience to God is liberty from the thralldom of sin, deliverance from human passion and impulse. Man may stand conqueror of himself, conqueror of his own inclinations, conqueror of principalities and powers, and of ?the rulers of the darkness of this world,? and of ?spiritual wickedness in high places.? Ephesians 6:12.

In no place is such instruction as this more needed, and nowhere will it be productive of greater good, than in the home. Parents have to do with the very foundation of habit and character. The reformatory movement must begin in presenting to them the principles of the law of God as bearing upon both physical and moral health. Show that obedience to God?s word is our only safeguard against the evils that are sweeping the world to destruction. Make plain the responsibility of parents, not only for themselves, but for their children. They are giving to their children an example either of obedience or of transgression. By their example and teaching, the destiny of their households is decided. The children will be what their parents make them.

If parents could be led to trace the result of their action, and could see how, by their example and teaching, they perpetuate and increase the power of sin or the power of righteousness, a change would certainly be made. Many would turn away from tradition and custom, and accept the divine principles of life. ..." - The Ministry of Healing; pages 125-131

Informed Consent, a practice in thinking.


Asking the practicioner (Dr., Nurse, etc),

"What is in the Vaccine (or Vaccines)?"? in other words, what are the detailed and specific "Ingredients" and their amounts per dosage/injection?" (Ask for each shot to be administered)? If the practiciioner does not know, the next question to ask is

"Why do you not know what the ingredients are, since as a practicioner of 'medicine' it is their sworn duty (under hippocratic oath) to know what they are prescribing their patients unless it would do irreparable harm?"


"Who is the manufacturer of the Vaccine being given, and what is their tract record of safety, and testing, and have they ever been sued under the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting Systems) court, and if so, how recently, and for which Vaccines, and if they were sued, did the? claimant/s win their case, and if so (how many cases) what was the amount in damages given, and what were the damages claimed?"? Again, if the practicioner does not know, they are again in violation of the Hippocratic oath.


"Based upon the known ingredients of each Vaccine, what are the known reactions, or allergies that each ingredient can cause (and what are the safety limits for human toleration, ie for Mercury, Formaldahyde, etc), and what are the short term and long term (possibly permanent) side effects going to be?"? Remember it is your body and life, and you will have to live with what happens, and they (the practicioner) will not, and they are protected by plausible deniability, and your "consent", and the court systems (in general).


"How many safety studies has the practicioner read on that specific Vaccine, and in what peer-reviewed scientific medical journals, etc can those studies be found (ie, PLOSone, Science, JAMA (Journal of American Medical Association), Nature, Collegiate, etc, and obtain the specific reference to check for Informed Consent)?"? If the practicioner cannot name one, they are again in violation of the Hippocratic oath, and are merely an unknown medical experiment drug pusher, as a final sales rep (an ignorant one at that) for the pharmaceutical company paying their salary.


"Based upon Gender (Sex, Male/Female), Age (Baby, Child, Youth, Adult, Elderly) and Weight (overall Health Index, or BMI (Body Mass Index), Reflexology, Muscle Mass, White Blood Cell Count, T Cell Count, etc), What are the known reactions to the Vaccine under each specific class, and their percentages, and cite at least two known peer-reviewed double blind studies??? Every person is different and their reaction to the ingredients in each vaccine will always vary, and never be the same (though there can be groupings of similar reactions), as each Vaccine that has been legally produced has been deemed, by the US Supreme court systems as "unavoidably unsafe".? [1] [2]


"Has anyone died within a period of 3-6 months of receiving the specific vaccine being administered, and if so, what was the Sex, Age, etc of the deceased, and the causes that led to that death?"? If the practicioner says that they do not know, they are again ignorant of what they are administering, and is an unsafe person to be handling such chemicals, ingredients.? They would be in the same boat as if a child of six were administering it to you.? If persons have died, in relation to the Vaccine, what is the percentage of Vaccinated vs deaths per total, and per area (like Locality in American Samoa, etc), as some localities may have a bad batch and that is important to understand for decision making.


"How many vaccination shots, of the specific Vaccine to be administered, has the specific practicioner given, and over what period of time?"? This will relate to the personal testimony of the practicioner, and whether or not they have a history with the vaccine, or without one.? Also, do they have any of their own patients who have complained of side effects or who have died as a result of such administering (this does not violate specific patient/doctor confidentiality, as death records (and cause) are public (under normal circumstances), and the general medical knowledge is not violating any confidentiality laws, as you are not asking for specific names or anything that can in any way identify individual persons.


"Is the manufacturer of the Vaccine in any way associated with the Board of directors at the CDC, FDA, AMA, WHO? organizations, and/or are there any relationships with the Board of Health, or Board of Directors of the Medical Facility, or the immediate doctors/nurses which is administering the Vaccine?"? This question is to establish or disestablish conflict of interest, which can also be a violation of the Hippocratic oath depending.? If there are associations, what are they?? A similar question is Does the Medical facility receive any payouts for administering the Vaccine, and if so, what are they (amount, ask to see the tax records and the public financial records of that medical facility)?

Has the 'Cov-19 virus' ever been isolated, and if so, what peer-reviewed medical paper shows this so I can read it and verify?

The PCR test was never meant to identify or isolate individual virus, etc at 30+ cycles.? At those level of cycles of magnification (multiplication really) and above the PCR test can false positive for thousands? of things, so says the inventor of the PCR test.

Has there been any false positives when testing for Cov-19 (SARS-CoV-2)?? if so, how then does the medical facility know for certain that what is tested as positive is really positive and not a false positive or misidentification.

Have you seen the study which demonstrated that the known cases of Cov-19 were actually found to be Influenza A and Influenza B strains (some coming from the vaccine themselves) and not a new item?

Have you seen any studies of comparison between last years cases (2015-2019) of common clod and flu with this years cases (2020-2021), which shows a massive dive in colds and flus, and a massive spike in so called Cov-19?? Do you think that is how bacteria and viruses normally work from year to year, and if so, can you cite any peer-reviewed studies in scientific medical journals which show any comparisons that are similar in any year since Vaccines were invented?

What is the lethality rate of the so-called Cov-19 among the varied age ranges (infant, child, youth, young adult, adult, elderly), and what is the rate with co-morbidities and without co-morbidities?, and if the rate is less than 2% for youth to young adult, for even infection of the so called Cov-19, what is the purpose of the Vaccine?

If others are being Vaccinated, and they have the 'immunity', and the so-called 'herd-immunity' is basically reached why do I need your Vaccine at all?

It is taking an object lesson from the violence of vaccines and their unnaturalness, to show that the same thing happens in the churches. Satan injects into the pulpits, pews, seminaries his wickedness, and puts the church immune system to sleep:

Mat_13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

What I see is a resistance to God's methods, and a reliance upon man's methods. They have forgotten their true healer:

Psa_146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

Murder By Injection by Eustace Mullins:
Posted By: TheophilusOne

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 06/26/21 01:08 AM

Wow! I saw this just recently: . I really like Stephen Bohr.

He says in this video that Ellen White got the smallpox vaccine. Amazing.
Posted By: Matthew 10vs8

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 06/26/21 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by TheophilusOne
Wow! I saw this just recently: . I really like Stephen Bohr.

He says in this video that Ellen White got the smallpox vaccine. Amazing.
The response is already given by the White Estate:

"... In 1924 W. C. White, Ellen White son, wrote to Dr. L. C. Kellogg in Loma Linda, California. Kellogg had asked about Ellen White?s attitude toward vaccinations. According to W. C. White ?she regarded it as a perplexing question.? He continued, ?I do not remember of [sic] her ever saying or writing that she had special instruction regarding vaccination.? Willie saw his mother as approaching the matter rationally in the absence of direct prophetic revelation:

In my earlier days she spoke of it as something dangerous and related my own experience. She said that as a child I was perfectly healthy until I was vaccinated and by that my health was much impaired. Mother listened attentively to the arguments that the methods of vaccination had been improved, and when in our travels we were brought to a large city where smallpox was raging and the matter was discussed as to whether or no [sic] that I and my associates should be vaccinated, she offered no objection, and in view of the argument of the physicians that it was not only for our own safety but for the safety of others. I and my associates were vaccinated.?[1] ..." -

Notice, that it was her son that was vaccinated, as a child, and then later as an adult. He was sicker for it, and said it was "something dangerous". In other words, she understood there was great risk involved in receiving it. Yet it doesn't say she "approved" (anywhere). it says she did not object (she kept silence on that situation, although she had already earlier stated to her son that it was "dangerous", and her son confirms his rather decline in optimal health afterwards). Her son was old enough to make the decision, knowing what he already knew. The son went ahead.

Then follows another statement by the White Estate:

"... In 1931 D. E. Robinson wrote another letter in response to a question on vaccination. He indicated that even Ellen White received a vaccination against smallpox.

You will be interested to know however, that at the time when there was an epidemic of smallpox in the vicinity, she herself was vaccinated and urged her helpers, those connected with her, to be vaccinated. In taking this step Sister White recognized the fact that it has been proven that vaccination either renders one immune from smallpox or greatly lightens its effects if one does come down with it. She also recognized the danger of their exposing others in they failed to take this precaution.[4] ..." -

Again, please notice that this is second hand (not first hand) information. There is also a rather large step in logic that is taken by D. E. Robinson in the latter part of his statement, that is not warranted by the facts (if true that she did indeed receive such). He says as a conclusion (after accepting the first part as true), "In taking this step Sister White recognized the fact that it has been proven that vaccination either renders one immune from smallpox or greatly lightens its effects ... She also recognized the danger ... [if] they failed to take this precaution." Nonsense. That is all his own personal conclusion irrespective of any other actual facts. There is not logical connection. The gulf is spanned by pure imagination. That is pre-loading the conclusion for others, and without any justification from sister White herself as to the motive, etc (if true). When was this event to have occurred (what year???) Remember that the Health message grew from infancy and ignorance to knowledge and understanding. Ministry of Healing was just published in 1905. It did not mention vaccines at all. Also, if we accept the second hand story as true, then we are speaking about a single shot of a much more mild disease, given to a grown adult (with a healthy immune system functioning, without co-morbidites in association), lacking all the adjuvants that are in vaccines today, and completely absent of mRNA cell-instruction altering materials. That is not the example that is happening today, at all. As much as sister White was a godly woman, and understood some things on health, she is not the standard we are to follow. She admits in her own writing that she, of herself, is not infallible (citations upon request). Sometimes, people also make decisions as best they know how, with the knowledge they have, even though it may not be the best decision. It might also involve the lesser of two evils of the time.

There is nowhere in scripture, which it was deemed beneficial to give or spread a disease from one person to another. Leviticus and Deuteronomy are always clear about infection, contagion, molds, etc. Containment of the disease, along with water washing, bathing, eating healthy, etc, not its' (the plagues) spread to attempt cessation of breakout (that would be equivalent of using a nuclear blast to put out a spreading fire. Will the fire the nuke was ignited upon go out? O certainly, but at what cost?)

The 'vaccinia' (differing from variolation) is not the same thing being used after 1958 and today (with all the adjuvants, etc that now exist with the disease, and these are yet far differing than mRNA cell instruction altering strands). -

It has been shown by the CDC itself that smallpox vaccination can cause death, inflammation of the heart tissue, etc. -

The Center for Infectious Disease says the same, and lists the adverse effects -

"... Alex R. Kemper, MD, MPH, and colleagues estimate that 25% of the population would have to avoid the shot because of a high risk of adverse events for themselves or their close contacts. The authors describe their estimate in the March/April issue of the journal Effective Clinical Practice...." -

25% (1/4th) is a whole lot more than the CDC is saying.

I sit here, desiring to simply cry at all the abuse that happens to sister White, even though she is long buried.

Jesus is the example. Not sister White.

The only time Jesus had his skin deliberately pierced was at the circumcision, and in his death, by crucifixion.

All this foolishness, the closure of churches, the turning away of people at the doors of the true hospital (church), the rape of conscience, the tyranny of their mask-erade, the abuse of SoP/ToJ to justify evolutionary based science falsely so called, and then to use sister White (after she is dead and cannot speak for herself) all in the name of 'health' so called. People are hypocrites. They whine about protecting people from a common cold/flu with all these ridiculous measures, when many millions of people are actually dying from heart disease (meat/flesh eating), liver failure (alcoholism, etc), diabetes (fat and sugar), over sexed, and all manner else. Where is the real cry for any of those things? Where are the fines, masks, and body cavity searches and needles to keep people from spreading their diet, their lusts of the flesh, lust of the eyes and pride of life. You will never see it from them. Hypocrites, the lot of them.

Oh, they cite sister White in this one second hand instance, but preach on true health, to put away the flesh (and use sister White as that example; HA!), and they flee to their hell-holes when that light is shone, and they decry from their dank caverns of selfishness that the preacher is the devil himself to come and take away their firstborn.

(Where was Bohr when they closed churches on a whim and no evidence? Where was Bohr when they were abusing Leviticus to lock up healthy people?) (PS, as one who used to serve with AFmin, I have met Bohr in person).
Posted By: TheophilusOne

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 06/26/21 10:20 PM

"(Where was Bohr when they closed churches on a whim and no evidence? Where was Bohr when they were abusing Leviticus to lock up healthy people?) (PS, as one who used to serve with AFmin, I have met Bohr in person)"

I have no idea what you are on about here. We have had people at church die of COVID.


"People are hypocrites. They whine about protecting people from a common cold/flu with all these ridiculous measures, when many millions of people are actually dying from heart disease (meat/flesh eating), liver failure (alcoholism, etc), diabetes (fat and sugar), over sexed, and all manner else. Where is the real cry for any of those things? Where are the fines, masks, and body cavity searches and needles to keep people from spreading their diet, their lusts of the flesh, lust of the eyes and pride of life. You will never see it from them. Hypocrites, the lot of them."

Oh, my, how judgemental you are.
Posted By: Matthew 10vs8

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 06/27/21 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by TheophilusOne
"(Where was Bohr when they closed churches on a whim and no evidence? Where was Bohr when they were abusing Leviticus to lock up healthy people?) (PS, as one who used to serve with AFmin, I have met Bohr in person)"
Of course I said it. I am the one who wrote it.

Originally Posted by TheophilusOne
I have no idea what you are on about here.
Yes, I know why, but never mind that for now.

Originally Posted by TheophilusOne
We have had people at church die of COVID.
Really? Prove it. I want documents and medical records. Is that rude? No. Death records are generally public, and after death medical records (50 years) are no longer private. Through other information submissions, the records can be obtained sooner from the executor if applied to the health facility.

People die all the time, even from over the counter aspirin (NSAIDs) - "... Death rate attributed to NSAID/aspirin use was between 21.0 and 24.8 cases/million people, respectively, or 15.3 deaths/100,000 NSAID/aspirin users. Up to one-third of all NSAID/aspirin deaths can be attributed to low-dose aspirin use. " - .

There are people that die from alcohol and/or alcohol related injuries - "Excessive alcohol use is responsible for more than 95,000 deaths in the United States each year, or 261 deaths per day. These deaths shorten the lives of those who die by an average of almost 29 years, for a total of 2.8 million years of potential life lost. It is a leading cause of preventable death in the United States, and cost the nation $249 billion in 2010." -

Why doesn't the CDC issue a dire warning to the Governors, and approach the WHO, NIH, etc and issue executive orders (tyrannical dictatorship) to close all bars, strip clubs, etc that deal in alcohol? Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

There are people that die of 'old age' (which brings about systems (liver, kidney's, lungs, etc) failure) (catch this - all the time!).

There are people that die in car wrecks. There are people that die of heart attacks and stroke due to their horrendous diets. There are people that die of gang related activity. There are people that die from murder. There are people who are having pieces of their limbs falling off due to diabetes.

People die of flu (really lung filled up/failure (Vit-C,D and Zinc would have cured them nearly instantly), or co-morbidities (heart failure, thus extra stress upon the heart due to lack of oxygen form the lungs, etc) - "CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2019?2020 season was moderate with an estimated 38 million people sick with flu, 18 million visits to a health care provider for flu, 400,000 hospitalizations for flu, and 22,000 flu deaths (Table 1)." -

"... Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 influenza-associated deaths from respiratory causes alone, and a 2019 study estimated 99 000-200 000 deaths from lower respiratory tract infections directly caused by influenza. ..." -

People die from abortion (some aborted, some aborting) by the millions - "As of December 31, 2020, there were 42.7 million abortions performed in the course of the year, Worldometer revealed, while 8.2 million people died from cancer, 5 million from smoking, and 1.7 million of HIV/AIDS.

By comparison, worldwide deaths from the coronavirus in 2020 totaled 1.8 million, according to Johns Hopkins University." -

"...In 2018, 619,591 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. Among 48 reporting areas with data each year during 2009?2018, in 2018, a total of 614,820 abortions were reported, the abortion rate was 11.3 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15?44 years, and the abortion ratio was 189 abortions per 1,000 live births. ..." -

Seems like a classic case of double standards (hypocrisy, false balances, and shaved measurements) to me.


"People are hypocrites. They whine about protecting people from a common cold/flu with all these ridiculous measures, when many millions of people are actually dying from heart disease (meat/flesh eating), liver failure (alcoholism, etc), diabetes (fat and sugar), over sexed, and all manner else. Where is the real cry for any of those things? Where are the fines, masks, and body cavity searches and needles to keep people from spreading their diet, their lusts of the flesh, lust of the eyes and pride of life. You will never see it from them. Hypocrites, the lot of them."

Originally Posted by TheophilusOne
Oh, my, how judgemental you are.
I can live with that, since I judge according to the word of God.

Joh_7:24? Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Mat_15:7? Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

Did you even bother to read the pioneers etc on Vaccines?


"Dr. Kellogg: That is the very thing I wanted to bring to your minds. We have statistical proof of the fact that this world is soon coming to an end. The Lord is not coming to destroy the world, but to save it; he is coming to save the world from what would come to it if it went on. We are coming down to a time of absolute confusion and destruction. Men are getting more and more subject to disease all the time. There are fewer old people than formerly. The last fifty years the bottom seems to have dropped out of the constitution of the human race. The Lord made man the toughest animal on the face of the earth. Even to-day you take a man who is in good training, and there is not another beast that can compete with him. A man can travel farther in six days than a horse. A well-trained man can tire out two or three horses in the course of a week. There is no question about it. Man, however, has greatly deteriorated, but no other animal would stand the abuse that he endures, even now. How long could a horse or a cow endure such treatment as human beings give themselves? A man would not dare feed his horse what he himself eats, or his cow either. He would not even feed his dog the same. A woman eats, and feeds things to her child, that she would not give her bird; she takes better care of her cat than of herself, or her child. The world is coming to see that there is a tremendous catastrophe before the race if something is not done. The hearts of the people, the world over, are wonderfully open to receive these principles. Two things are a constant wonder to me. The first is the beauty of these principles, and the other thing is that we do not appreciate them more. How can it be? Just see what these principles can do for this people! Let me call your attention to what the world is trying to do. Just as soon as small-pox gets into a community, what do the doctors do? They say everybody has to be vaccinated. Over in India they vaccinate from arm to arm, and people get leprosy and consumption through it. In this country that method is not tolerated. You would not allow your children to be vaccinated from your neighbor's child's arm; but you allow them to be vaccinated from a calf, because you know the calf has a great deal better blood than your neighbor's child has. You are afraid of your neighbor, and you have reason to be afraid of him. In India not long ago there was a case where one hundred and sixty students in a school were vaccinated from arm to arm, and sixty of those boys and girls came down with leprosy in three years. Think of that. You see vaccination is not a thing that is entirely safe; but there is some reason in it. But if you are vaccinated from a calf that has tuberculosis, then you get consumption. So you see that is not altogether safe. I believe there is something better on principle than that, and I am going to try to show you some disease with disease, and the man who is vaccinated is a little lower in vitality after he has been vaccinated than before. It is like a boy who becomes immune to the use of tobacco. At first it makes him sick, but afterward he becomes used to it, and it does not affect him; yet it is doing the boy harm all the time. It is thought by some scientists that the time will soon come when vaccination will be employed for all maladies in the earth. It has been said by Dr. Lancaster, of London, that the time will come when a young man taking a course in a medical school would, before he finished, be vaccinated for all diseases that were prevalent in the country. I do not think there would be very much left of that man after he had gone through all that. It has been proved that when a man has had small-pox, he is more subject to consumption than before. {February 21, 1899 N/A, GCDB 44.17} "

"J. H. Kellogg: Yes, it has been proved within the last three months by statistics that have been collected that a man is not so good after he has had smallpox as he was before. That is also true of typhoid fever. Very often consumption is fastened upon the victim of typhoid fever. As I said before, this method of obtaining immunity against disease is the method of fighting disease with disease, meeting evil with evil, antidoting poison with poison. It is wonderful to see to what an extent this can be carried. In Chicago a few weeks ago a woman appeared before our medical class; and she had with her a rattlesnake, which she took out of its cage. She held him in her hand and irritated him. She beat him, and stirred him up until he became angry, and then as she bared her arm, the reptile struck it time and again, and fastened his fangs into her arm, until the flesh was all covered with the virus. Then she said, "Take that virus, and inject it into a mouse, and see how quickly it will die." But yet it did not affect her in the least. The fact is, she has become so accustomed to the virus of the snake's bite that her body is perfectly immune to it, and it apparently does her no harm whatever. I remember a woman at the [45] sanitarium, who in one day took eight hundred full doses of morphia, - enough to kill forty men. Apparently it did not hurt her, though in fact it was all the time undermining her constitution. This method of fighting disease with disease is the human way of meeting disease, just as we fight fire with fire. But God has given us a truth that has in it power to lift a man above the power of disease. He has given us principles which, if we obey and follow, will change our bodies so that we shall not have to be vaccinated; that will lift the body above the power of disease, and above the power of sin; for sin and disease go along together. Disease is the consequence of sin, and sin induces a moral disease. {February 21, 1899 N/A, GCDB 44.19} "

A.T. Jones:

"Enforced Sunday rest can have no justification except on the hypothesis that Sunday labor is immoral; and such labor can be held to be immoral only on the ground that it is irreligious. But it ought not to require any argument to show that no such question can become "a legitimate" subject of "police regulation." It is to be feared that the same "religious views and feelings" which confessedly "had a controlling influence" in the making of the Georgia Sunday statute had a like influence in sustaining it in the State and Federal courts. {July 9, 1896 ATJ, AMS 209.7}

The police power is "hard to define," but it will be admitted that it has its limitations. A law writer of some note has well said of this power that it is "unquestionably limited to the prevention of interference by one man with another." 2 "The fact," continues the same author, "that a man's conduct, his behavior, or his manner of living, may be unwise, in view of his own position, or his health, and may result in injury to himself alone, physically or morally, affords no ground whatever for the interference of the 'police power' with his proceedings. It is settled that the State may compel an unwilling citizen to be vaccinated. But on what ground? Now because if he remains unvaccinated, he would be liable to catch the smallpox; nor yet because if he did catch it, he would probably die; but solely because his unvaccinated condition renders him specially liable to become a source of contagion to others. This is an extreme case. But beyond this the police power certainly could not go in this country. It could not, for example, compel a man with a weak back to wear a porous plaster, a man with caries to submit to amputation, a man with dyspepsia to take exercise, or a tired man to rest, because the suggested proceeding may be an advisable one in each case for the individual's own interst." {July 9, 1896 ATJ, AMS 209.8} "

EJ Waggoner:

"The figures for the week ending February 22, show sixty-four deaths in London from small-pox, and 107 from influenza. More than this, the deaths from influenza that week were double the number for the preceding week, and for that week they were twice as many as the next week but one previous. The total number of deaths in London for the week ending February 1st was 1,652, and for the week ending February 22nd the number was 2,509, the increase being largely due to influenza and diseases of the respiratory organs, akin to influenza. Yet while people are flocking to be vaccinated, as a protection against small-pox, nearly all seem to think that influenza must be submitted to as a matter of course whenever it is "in the air." When will people begin to learn that disease is not stalking about to "attack" people, but it is a result of certain easily ascertained causes, which, for the most part, it is entirely within the power of the individual to control? {March 6, 1902 EJW, PTUK 157.12} "

"The Church Times, commenting on the failure of the proposal in Parliament to make vaccination universally compulsory says: "If there is anything in vaccination statistics, or if it is believed to be a safeguard against the disease of small-pox, it is absurd to allow the conscientious objector to roam at large. He is as great a danger to the community as a mad dog." Without expressing any opinion as to the value of vaccination, it seems evident that such language as this breathes the very spirit of the Roman Catholic Inquisition. If it is considered absurd to allow the conscientious objector to the opinions of the majority on this subject to roam at large, the next step would be to cage the conscientious dissenter from the Established Church. And a question arises here: If vaccination be indeed a safeguard against small-pox, how can a conscientious objector be as dangerous as a mad dog? What harm could he do in a community of vaccinated persons? {March 6, 1902 EJW, PTUK 157.15} "

"Of eighty deaths from small-pox in London the week before last, forty-eight were those of vaccinated people, and twenty-eight of the unvaccinated people, the remaining four being unaccounted for. The Asylums Board authorities explain the fact that "there are generally more deaths in recent numbers among the vaccinated patients" than among vaccinated, by saying that the vaccinated "outnumber the unvaccinated patients by four or five to one." The percentage of deaths is greater among unvaccinated patients than among vaccinated; but then since vaccination is for the purpose of protecting people against taking the disease, it would seem that there ought not to be four or five times as many vaccinated small-pox patients as unvaccinated. {March 20, 1902 EJW, PTUK 189.16} "

"Speaking on the Vaccination Bill now before the House of Commons, Mr. T. Bayley said that a year ago he was strongly in favour of vaccination, but inquiry into the question, and reading the Government reports, made his mind very doubtful, and he was beginning to believe that they were absolutely at the wrong end of the question altogether, and that sanitation, isolation, and cleanliness of the people would do more to destroy small-pox than giving cow-pox or anything else. {May 12, 1898 EJW, PTUK 304.12}

This is undoubtedly the correct view. Altogether apart from the merits of vaccination as a preventive of disease, it is evident that this alone does not save a person from small-pox. Habits of life which invites such a visitation cannot be atoned for by an occasional inoculation, any more than a man can violate the laws of health and yet hope to retain it by means of a periodic pill. {May 12, 1898 EJW, PTUK 304.13} "

"At the recent Health Congress at Blackpool, a paper was read by Dr. Adler, Chief Rabbi of London, on the antiquity of sanitation, reference of course being made to the regulations found in the books of Moses. Those rules were given by the Lord Himself, and, when followed, produced the healthiest people that ever lived. Let it be noted, however, that inoculation was not included in the list of preventives of disease. Perfect cleanliness within as well as without the body, is the sum of the whole matter. Clean food, pure water, fresh air, plenty of sunlight, regular, muscular exercise, and a clean conscience, will ward off any plague known. It may be said that vaccination and inoculation have saved many lives. No doubt they have served a purpose, and will yet do so among people who find that course easier than keeping themselves thoroughly clean; but to fill one's body with death, as a means of warding off death, is unscriptural and unscientific. {October 5, 1899 EJW, PTUK 640.4} "

"We believe in the fullest possible liberty of the individual, yet we really cannot see why the Government may not prohibit the use of the abominable weed, at any rate in public, on the same principle that it muzzles dogs. If this proposal were made, however, there would be a general outcry against such an interference with the rights of the individual; and yet very little protest is made against compulsory vaccination! People who have no objection to being compelled to be poisoned would protest against being prohibited from taking poison and poisoning the others. {November 30, 1899 EJW, PTUK 768.4} "

"In connection with the present outbreak of smallpox in London "it has been carefully estimated that the total cost so far entailed on public bodies and individuals for vaccination purposes, including the cost of lymph, payment of public officers and private medical men, opening of vaccination stations, and setting the whole machinery of public vaccination in motion, is ?700,000." {October 24, 1901 EJW, PTUK 686.3}


The magistrates seem to be having a difficult task on hand, in trying to decide questions of conscience. The law allows the "conscientious objector" to vaccination to receive a certificate of exemption, but it seems that a man's statement to that effect is not sufficient. He must prove to the satisfaction of the magistrates that he is conscientious. Of course the thing is impossible, for in a case of that kind no one can do more than solemnly to declare his conscientious convictions. The result is that the granting of the exemption depends wholly upon what the magistrate believes in the case, and not on what the applicant believes. The worst feature about the matter is the precedent that is set, that a man's conscience may be a subject of legal examination. The Inquisition was built upon that. {October 24, 1901 EJW, PTUK 686.6} "

"The Church Times, commenting on the failure of the proposal in Parliament to make vaccination universally compulsory says: "If there is anything in vaccination statistics, or if it is believed to be a safeguard against the disease of small-pox, it is absurd to allow the conscientious objector to roam at large. He is as great a danger to the community as a mad dog." Without expressing any opinion as to the value of vaccination, it seems evident that such language as this breathes the very spirit of the Roman Catholic Inquisition. If it is considered absurd to allow the conscientious objector to the opinions of the majority on this subject to roam at large, the next step would be to cage the conscientious dissenter from the Established Church. And a question arises here: If vaccination be indeed a safeguard against small-pox, how can a conscientious objector be as dangerous as a mad dog? What harm could he do in a community of vaccinated persons? {March 6, 1902 EJW, PTUK 157.15} "

"When the question of compulsory Sunday observance has been agitated, it has always been urged that the law must be obeyed whether it was good or not; but now we are hearing a different story. The same religious papers and leaders that before were so zealous for law, are now with one voice advocating opposition to law, if the Education Bill passes. It is quite generally agreed by Nonconformists that they will refuse to pay rates if that Bill becomes law. Leading ministers openly advocate the refusal to pay rates, and religious conventions enthusiastically pass resolutions to that effect. Resistance seems to be in the air; for a demonstration took place in the East-end last week, to welcome home a man who had been imprisoned for ten days under the vaccination laws. After several had spoken, the man himself, amid great applause, said that "he stood there not only as an antivaccinationist, but as a law-breaker, for he held that it was a good thing to break a bad law." Now that is a most unfortunate way of putting the case. No Christian is ever warranted in resisting law, or in refusing to pay even unjust taxes. Christians cannot by any means comply with civil enactments that contravene Divine laws; but their action should always be based upon obedience to the higher law, and not on resistance to the lower. On the latter basis, self and human rights are the prominent things; on the former basis, God and His honour are kept always in the front. {October 9, 1902 EJW, PTUK 653.9} "

"He [Dr. D H Kress] spoke of vaccination, of antitoxin treatment for diphtheria, and of other similar methods, as being an artificial means of supplying properties which the body provides for itself when in a state of health. For this reason, the use of such methods should not be classed as drug medication. {June 1, 1909 WASe, GCB 236.12}

Others spoke of the need of educating away from the use of drugs, and of the great need of a medical school of our own, in which young students can learn at the beginning to use rational methods instead of depending on the use of drugs. {June 1, 1909 WASe, GCB 236.13} "

Looks like you aren't with them (pioneers, etc) but with someone else in Rome, or at least as that is how AT Jones and EJ Waggoner seem to put it.
Posted By: kland

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 07/01/21 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by TheophilusOne
We have had people at church die of COVID.
That may or may not be true, but what has that to do with the price of eggs in China?

Many people died of smallpox and polio, but that doesn't mean everyone should be forced to carry a rabbit's foot in their pocket and wear a tinfoil hat.

The scientific method determines whether something is useful or not.
The scientific method has not been applied -- or more likely, has been ignored.
Posted By: kland

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 07/01/21 06:38 PM

Matthew, do you have a reference for both letters from D.E. Robinson? I'd like to be able to show people who abuse Ellen White as Bohr did.
Posted By: Matthew 10vs8

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 07/02/21 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by kland
Matthew, do you have a reference for both letters from D.E. Robinson? I'd like to be able to show people who abuse Ellen White as Bohr did.
This may help you:

It contains the references.

For the L. C. Kellogg quote, it comes from -

W. C. White to L. C. Kellogg, February 5, 1924, Q and A 34-E-2, Ellen G. White Estate, Inc., Silver Spring, MD (EGWE).

For the D. E. Robinson quote I provided from the E. G. White Estate, it is likewise reference 4 on that link just provided

D. E. Robinson to Clarence Hocker, June 12, 1931, EGWE.
Posted By: TheophilusOne

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 07/02/21 03:13 PM

Have you read the link you posted?
Posted By: Matthew 10vs8

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 07/03/21 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by TheophilusOne
Have you read the link you posted?
Yes. I am not interested in the bias it portrays - I simply ignore that. I am only interested in the sourced citations, which have their own biases. I collect all information. I cite references and links all of the time, that do not agree with scripture or SoP/ToJ, not because they disagree with these, but because they accurately represent a source under citation. For instance, I cite Roman Catholic documents all of the time from original sources. I do not agree with their anti-Christian theology/faith/practices and biases. I will even cite anti-Seventh-day Adventist material to accurately record and document their lies/deception. If you peruse the Bible (KJB), even from the beginning, it too cites and records the deception of the enemy. See Genesis 3 to begin with, "not surely die".
Posted By: kland

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 09/28/21 05:01 PM

Policy and action plan.
They require 10-day pre self screening, testing, avoiding others before coming to camp. Okay. I can accept that, if the idea is you don't let disease in, then all kids can be kids and no worries. Yeah, right?

After arriving at camp, hand washing, outdoor seating, isolated cabin groups, disinfection of bathhouses regularly.
Why? If no disease got in, then no need. If must worry, then why the pre stuff?
And not only that, but, face coverings for over 11, social distancing...
Why? Did the pre screening and testing not prove adequate? If face coverings and social distancing prevent disease, why this pre nonsense?
And not only that, but, staff members not vaccinated need daily checks, and face coverings.
Why? Do they really think all these measures don't really work why they need to check daily?

Shame on Colorado.
Shame on Rocky Mountain Conference / Glacier View Ranch.
Posted By: kland

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 11/02/21 05:11 PM

At the same time, the church respects the rights of individuals? freedom of choice for those who choose not to be vaccinated.
Except we consider them wrong.
The General Conference Reaffirms Tyranny.

Double Speak
Reading the article, while there are nice sounding things, do you get the feeling the church really respects the individuals choice in the matter?

In the light of the global magnitude of the pandemic, the deaths, disability, and long-term COVID-19 effects that are emerging in all age groups, we encourage our members to consider responsible immunization and the promotion and facilitation of the development of what is commonly termed herd immunity (pre-existing community immunity of approximately 80 percent of the population or more as a result of previous infection and/or vaccination).

Herd Immunity is a relatively recent manufactured idea which has not been shown scientifically to be true, but has been shown in multiple environments to be false.

Responsible immunization? What do they call irresponsible immunization?

Notice the references. Very few scientific articles. And one of them funded by the CDC. Ignoring other research.

Here's a question. If in the past, all drugs are harmful, then how does men, using methods to make something which God does not approve, suddenly come up with a drug which God does approve? Do men working in evil ways bring about something good? If so, then would God approve of men using evil methods and making evil substances?
Posted By: dedication

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 11/05/21 09:01 PM

Isn't there a quote indicating the USA will repudiate it's constitution and bring in the final crises?

Well the constitution is being ignored and the covid plandemic is being used to do just that.
A serious step in obliterating the safe guards of the constitution which is needed for the final crises to be enforced in the future.

Posted By: TheophilusOne

Re: COVID Hall of Shame - 11/12/21 11:16 PM

Oh for Pete's sake.
I cannot get the medical records of someone at church. Not related to them. and just to show you.
And what could you do with a medical record if you had one?
Probably say it was untrue.
So the doctors told the church member's wife that the member had died of COVID. She told the pastor, who had done an anointing by phone, to the member. The pastor told us.

Did they all lie?
And who are you to say they did?
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