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APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right? For example, Jesus commanded holy men of God, like Moses, Joshua, Samuel, etc to kill criminals and enemy combatants. APL labels it murder. Is he right? Leviticus
24:23 And Moses spake to the children of Israel, that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stone him with stones. And the children of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.
Numbers
15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
15:36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.
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31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
31:10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Joshua
11:20 For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, [and] that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses.
1 Samuel
15:18 And the LORD sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.
15:33 And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal. APL further explains his belief by arguing Jesus also commanded other unlawful acts - such as divorce and polygamy. Is he right? Did Jesus command people to do unlawful things?
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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Question - in all things did the Israelites follow God? Was God the ruler of Israel?
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Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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The Hebrew people living in that time did not consider such killing to be murder and a violation of the Commandment.
Gregory
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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The Hebrew people living in that time did not consider such killing to be murder and a violation of the Commandment. Did God, in that time, consider such killing to be murder and a violation of the Commandment?
By God's grace,
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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The people did not consider divorce adultery!
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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The people did not consider divorce adultery! Maybe this is because divorce isn't adultery? Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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The people did not consider divorce adultery! Maybe this is because divorce isn't adultery? Blessings, Green Cochoa. If the parties never remarry! Do you think they had that in mind? Mark 10:11-12 And he said to them, Whoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, commits adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she commits adultery.
Matthew 5:31-32 It has been said, Whoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorce: 32 But I say to you, That whoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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Granted. But who said divorce requires someone to remarry?
In other words, you haven't proven that the people believed incorrectly when they did not consider divorce as equal to adultery.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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Do you think they had celibacy in mind?
Matthew 19:10 His disciples say to him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
And what is the only grounds for divorce? Was the law of Moses wrong?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: APL believes Jesus commanded murder. Is he right?
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There isn't only one grounds for divorce. But what has any of this got to do with murder and your belief that Jesus commanded murder? or your belief that Jesus commanded divorce? Are you now saying that you believe Jesus commanded celibacy?
I've spoken with a number of people who have used drugs like marijuana in the past. They seem unable to keep their minds on a specific topic. They jump from one point to another in an unrelated jumble of thoughts. This topic reminds me of such.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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