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Re: Jeremiah 23:20 in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. [Re: APL] #187533
09/26/18 03:19 PM
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Thank you KLAND for actually listening to the video before commenting. I think you get what this young man is saying. The Good News is about the Character of God!


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Jeremiah 23:20 in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. [Re: APL] #187666
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Well, Last Ray Ministries seems fine so far. I need to spend more time there when I get the chance.

Re: Jeremiah 23:20 in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. [Re: APL] #187669
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It puzzles me why some people think they need to go directly against the words of the Apostle Paul and re-define what the Gospel is.

Originally Posted By: APL
The Good News is about the Character of God!

Originally Posted By: Charity
Some of us who hold to Last Generation Theology (LGT) think that perfection of character is a last generation privilege. Not so. It is the everlasting gospel,...


Paul clearly defines what the Gospel (Good News) is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-11.
Originally Posted By: 1 Cor. 15:1-11 (NIV)
1 Corinthians 15 New International Version (NIV)

The Resurrection of Christ

15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11 Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.


He does not mention the "Character of God;" he does not mention this "Perfectionist" heresy.

So I believe that this text would apply to those who wish to change what the Gospel is:

Originally Posted By: Galatians 1:6-9 (NIV)

Galatians 1:6-9
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Jeremiah 23:20 in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. [Re: APL] #187670
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So can you summarize it? Is there more to the good news than "Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures"?

Because I'm thinking you tell that to someone on the street and they would go yeah, and...?

Re: Jeremiah 23:20 in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. [Re: APL] #187672
10/15/18 03:59 PM
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Do words from Jesus Himself mean anything? Is the gospel different from eternal life? Does being willing to die for our sins reflect upon one's character? Isn't dying the background of what is spoken of in the following?

John 17:1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify your Son, that your Son also may glorify you: 2 As you have given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Does 'knowing' involve God's character?

Re: Jeremiah 23:20 in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. [Re: kland] #187675
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Originally Posted By: kland
Because I'm thinking you tell that to someone on the street and they would go yeah, and...?

Yes and then right after that you tell them "We have this Prophet from God (who got wacked in the head with a rock and was in a coma for three weeks) then she started having visions from God.... and then they would go ROFL


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Jeremiah 23:20 in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. [Re: kland] #187676
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Originally Posted By: kland
Do words from Jesus Himself mean anything? Is the gospel different from eternal life? Does being willing to die for our sins reflect upon one's character? Isn't dying the background of what is spoken of in the following?

John 17:1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify your Son, that your Son also may glorify you: 2 As you have given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Does 'knowing' involve God's character?

Geeze, kland, if you don't know any of this stuff maybe you shouldn't be on this forum.


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Jeremiah 23:20 in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. [Re: APL] #187677
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Oh, sh....rats!
Rule #57.


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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