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Obscure Statement on the Time of Trouble by EG White #191152
10/26/19 09:38 AM
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The text below is from Manuscript 1, 1848.
Written November 18, at Dorchester, Massachusetts. The statements are made by Ellen White while in vision, written down by Joseph Bates. These statements are found in Joseph Bates' tract, A Seal of the Living God, A Hundred Forty-four Thousand of the Servants of God Sealed, pp. 24-26, 32.

What captured my attention is that she says the time of trouble has begun.

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"The time of trouble has commenced, it is begun. The reason why the four winds have not let go, is because the saints are not all sealed. It's on the increase, and will increase more and more; the trouble will never end until the earth is rid of the wicked."

"At that time neighbor will be against neighbor. That time has not yet come, when brother against brother and sister against sister; but will come when Michael stands up."

"When Michael stands up this trouble will be all over the earth."

"Why they are just ready to blow. There?s a check put on because the saints are not sealed."

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Re: Obscure Statement on the Time of Trouble by EG White [Re: Charity] #191165
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At the bottom of this statement: "Why, they are just ready to blow".

Since 2001, eighteen plus years, I've been encouraging Adventists here and through other media to re-examine our position that the trumpets have all blown except the seventh. Well, friends the evidence continues to mount. What do you think?

Re: Obscure Statement on the Time of Trouble by EG White [Re: Charity] #191167
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Originally Posted by Charity
At the bottom of this statement: "Why, they are just ready to blow".

Since 2001, eighteen plus years, I've been encouraging Adventists here and through other media to re-examine our position that the trumpets have all blown except the seventh. Well, friends the evidence continues to mount. What do you think?



What is about to blow?

"The reason why the four winds have not let go, is because the saints are not all sealed. . . Why they are just ready to blow. There;s a check put on because the saints are not sealed."

Re: Obscure Statement on the Time of Trouble by EG White [Re: Charity] #191171
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Trumpets blow after the golden censer is thrown down.
What does throwing down a golden censer signify?

Re: Obscure Statement on the Time of Trouble by EG White [Re: Charity] #191172
10/31/19 06:19 PM
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Are you saying the four winds that are ready to blow
is the same as the seven trumpets sounding?

Re: Obscure Statement on the Time of Trouble by EG White [Re: Charity] #191173
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That is so simple, even a little child can understand it perfectly. Rev. 8:1-6 says:

  • The angel is given a lot of incense, and he is also given the earth.
     
  • He comes to alter and offers the incense on the alter's fire. The smoke arises before God, a sweet savor of prayers.
     
  • He takes the same fire from the same alter and fills his censor and tosses it to the earth which results in destruction.
     
  • The same fire that burns up the earth in judgment, causes prayers to arise from the saints.
     
  • Conclusion: THE SEVEN TRUMPETS ARE THE GREAT TRIBULATION. BLESSED IS HE WHO ENDURES TO THE END.


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Re: Obscure Statement on the Time of Trouble by EG White [Re: Charity] #191174
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The trumpets don't all sound after the golden censor is thrown down.
You have to understand the literary construction here.
Understanding some temple rituals also helps us understand.

When do you first see the seven angels with trumpets?
You see them in verse two.
This signifies they are active all through.

John then focuses on events that transpire in heaven,
Christ ministers at the altar of incense for a time as the prayers of saints arise.
Later He takes coals from the altar and puts them in the censor of incense.
This signifies His preparation to go into the most Holy Place.

When Christ comes back out of the Most Holy Place He throws down the censor and there is thundering, lightning and earthquake signifying Christ's work is finished.
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Christ's work             Trumpets

Rev. 8:2-3                Rev. 8 and 9 
Ministering in            1st, 2nd 3rd
the Holy Place           4th, 5th 6th
at altar of                  trumpets
incense.         

8:5a
Gathering coals         Rev. 10 
for golden censor      Declaration that 
(High Priest always    time lines have 
filled His censor        ended. 7th trumpet
before entry)            will wrap things up.

Christ enters            Seventh trumpet
Most Holy Place        begins to sound.
(That's where           The ark of covenant
Priest goes with        is seen.  11:17                                      
full censor on DA)                    

Christ throws           Seventh trumpet
down censor            comes to end.      

Rev. 8:5                 Rev. 11:19
Thunderings,             Thunderings,
lightning                     lightning
earthquake              earthquake


Notice the thunderings, lightning and earthquake come
When Christ throws down the censor and the seventh trumpet has sounded.

The trumpets aren't after Christ's work in the sanctuary, they run parallel with Christ's work in the sanctuary.


{P.S. I used code to try and make a chart. I don't know how to do charts any other way, I hope it works.)

Re: Obscure Statement on the Time of Trouble by EG White [Re: kland] #191178
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Originally Posted by kland
Trumpets blow after the golden censer is thrown down.
What does throwing down a golden censer signify?


What is being thrown down in Revelation 8:5, the censer or the fire or both? I would say the fire because the purpose of the censor is to carry the fire from the altar and the altar is still in service at the sixth trumpet. The work of the censer isn't finished until the work of the altar is finished.

Christ said: "I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?" Luk 12:49.

Ezekiel was also shown in vision the casting of fire on the earth, in this case on Jerusalem. As James says, fire brings judgment but it is also a figure for the latter rain, the tongues of fire that Christ longs to place on each one of us. Ezekiel is specific about the timing, the sequence of sealing. Like in Revelation, those who are sealed are those who have an ardent prayer life that is in tune with heaven. What a privilege we have to petition the throne of the God of the universe. By faith in the blood we can join those who are sending up petitions that touch and delight the heart of God. We can be sealed by the man in linen.

Eze 10:2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight.
Eze 10:3 Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court.
Eze 10:4 Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD'S glory.
Eze 10:5 And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh.
Eze 10:6 And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels.
Eze 10:7 And one cherub stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof, and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it, and went out.
Eze 10:8 And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man's hand under their wings.
Eze 10:9 And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone.

Re: Obscure Statement on the Time of Trouble by EG White [Re: kland] #191196
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Originally Posted by kland
Trumpets blow after the golden censer is thrown down.
What does throwing down a golden censer signify?


After the command is given to prophecy again in Revelation 10 (after 1844 the prophecy of the trumpets will do that very thing),
Likewise, the golden censor is cast down when Christ states "It is finished"
The seven trumpets are blown again and the four winds are loosed so that they may blow as the Time of Trouble concludes.
It is not an example of either this or that. It is an example of both this and that


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Re: Obscure Statement on the Time of Trouble by EG White [Re: dedication] #191202
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Originally Posted by dedication
Are you saying the four winds that are ready to blow
is the same as the seven trumpets sounding?

I was making a connection to the answer to my question.
I was implying that the winds don't blow until probation closes. What does throwing the censor or fire down signify? I say the ministry has ended.

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The trumpets don't all sound after the golden censor is thrown down.

Rev 8:5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake.
6 So the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Maybe "all" trumpets is open to discussion. But it indicates "the seven angels who had the seven trumpets" prepared to sound after the censer/fire was thrown to the earth.

Rev 8:2 Seven angels with seven trumpets stand before God.
8:5 Censer/fire thrown down.
8:6 Seven angels with seven trumpets prepared to sound.
8:7 First angel sounded.

Do you suggest that by some unusually odd construct that those verses are not in order?

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