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Re: Man-kind never set foot on the planetary body known as the 'moon', acc. to Bible, History & Science. [Re: Will] #194290
07/28/21 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Matthew 10vs8
Originally Posted by Will
...I had watched what I thought was the crashing othe Cassini satellite\orbiter on Saturn or Jupiter, I forgot which, but the video description said it was a live feed, so I decided to see this. It looked like a video game and I was left wondering what was controlling the other camera's that panned into view the supposed crashing of the Cassini craft. Basically it looked fake and well implemented using CGI.

Can you provide a link to the video material (official and original would be best) you are referring to, so that all may see for themselves and judge by the word of God?

Originally Posted by Will

[Here is the link from Nasa's JPL labs, its called Cassini's grand finale:
NASA at Saturn: Cassini's Grand Finale


Dude, why did you think it was a live feed?! It was a simulation. For what was to be.
Support for my comment is found in the description of the video:

Quote
The final chapter in a remarkable mission of exploration and discovery, Cassini's Grand Finale is in many ways like a brand new mission. Twenty-two times, NASA's Cassini spacecraft will dive through the unexplored space between Saturn and its rings. What we learn from these ultra-close passes over the planet could be some of the most exciting revelations ever returned by the long-lived spacecraft. This animated video tells the story of Cassini's final, daring assignment and looks back at what the mission has accomplished.


What about "this animated video" do you not understand?


(Don't feel too bad, flat earthers' make similar mistakes)

Re: Man-kind never set foot on the planetary body known as the 'moon', acc. to Bible, History & Science. [Re: Matthew 10vs8] #194291
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I think the issue was that at the time the video was titled as a live feed, I know I was very excited to see what the surface of Saturn looks like or at least as much as I could see, regardless I did see the video titled as a live feed, thus my dissappointment cause it looked animated laugh

Re: Man-kind never set foot on the planetary body known as the 'moon', acc. to Bible, History & Science. [Re: Matthew 10vs8] #194292
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Yeah, reading some of the other links, many people thought the animations were real. And like you say, it's obviously generated. One must be careful and on their toes. Right now it's possible to distinguish it. But I believe there are some animations it would be hard to tell what's real or not.

Re: Man-kind never set foot on the planetary body known as the 'moon', acc. to Bible, History & Science. [Re: kland] #194295
07/29/21 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by kland
Originally Posted by Matthew 10vs8
Saying such does not validate the heresy of 'flat-earth' rhetoric. One error demonstrated (NASA), does not validate an associated error (flat-earth) as true. This thread is not for the purpose of discussion of said erroneous 'flat-earth' (make your own thread, and I will be glad to show from scripture and SoP/ToJ the error of 'flat-earth' in great detail).

Thank you for clarifying that. However, then it would not be far from imagination to consider all you do is substitute in moon landing for flat-earth for your arguments. Flat earther's would be proud.

I give two examples in comparison in response to show you the invalidity of your statements:

That Romanism teaches that the 'eucharist' ('host') is the actual blood, body and divinity of Jesus underneath the 'elements', does not negate the truth that (they also teach as we) the brothers and sisters of Jesus were the sons of Joseph and not of Mary's blood/flesh. The one correct teaching/doctrine is not automatically invalidated by the incorrect teaching, even though both are held by the same system.

That Romanism teaches that Peter is the first 'pope', does not negate the truth that they also teach that there ought to be bishops/elders and deacons as offices of church function.

Just because a group exists, 'flat earthers', that carry an error, and say that NASA is 'evil', does not mean that the idea that man-kind has never walked on the moon is invalid simply because the other idea is invalid. Each are to be judged on their own merits, evidences and science.

I am not merely "substitut[ing]" one for another. I reject the FE-ideology because of the Bible, SoP/ToJ and history and science. I accept that man-kind has never walked on the physical lunar surface as valid for the same reasons. I simply tested both. I accept that 9-11 (along with Oklahoma City ATF) was an inside job, etc because of the same reasons. I accept that Boston bombing was a false flag for the same reasons. I accept that Sandy-hook was a fundraiser and anti-gun legislation event for those same reasons. I accept chemtrails, flouride, GMO's, mRNA, etc. as a real threat for the same reasons. I accept that Vegas, Florida Fort Lauderdale Airport, Florida Orlando NIghtclub, Parkland, Woolwich, London's 7-7, Paris, the Turpins, France - Nice, Christ-Church NZ Mosque, US Capital shooting were all government level psy-ops, false flags, fund raisers, legislation agendas, etc. I have original video, documentation, science, and the especially the Bible (dealing with prophecy) on all of it. I do not ask anyone to take my word for anything on any of it. I only ask them to consider the evidences prayerfully in the light of those same reasons.

This thread is not for those topics. I only mention them as they are on the same level of "conspiracy" and "confederacy", of which the Bible mentions both words in the context of high level officials of government and religious offices.

The NSL is no less 'conspiratorial' than any of those to most people. In fact the NSL ought to be more so, since it involves a global level deception at the highest levels of world governance.

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Re: Man-kind never set foot on the planetary body known as the 'moon', acc. to Bible, History & Science. [Re: Matthew 10vs8] #194308
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Radioactivity in cissolar and cislunar space:

"... the sun produces a fairly steady flux of light in optical wavelengths, it produces bursts of x-rays and other short wavelength photons that directly modify the ionosphere and high frequency radio communication; it emits a continuous but unsteady flow of ionized material into the heliosphere (the solar wind) that our magnetic field detects and must exclude; it occasionally ejects high energy particles that can be deadly to electronic components and biological systems; it often ejects "tongues" or "ropes" or "clouds" of gas that move through the ambient interplanetary medium and impact the Earth and other planetary bodies; and it radiates noise in frequencies that can be received by working antennas and thus interferes with communication ..." - http://web.archive.org/web/20030821082803/www.geo.nsf.gov/atm/nswp/intro.htm

"... The area between the Sun and the planets has been termed the interplanetary medium. Although sometimes considered a perfect vacuum, this is actually a turbulent area dominated by the solar wind, which flows at velocities of approximately 250-1000 km/s (about 600,000 to 2,000,000 miles per hour). Other characteristics of the solar wind (density, composition, and magnetic field strength, among others) vary with changing conditions on the Sun. The effect of the solar wind can be seen in the tails of comets (which always point away from the Sun). ...

... Intense solar flares release very-high-energy particles that can be as injurious to humans as the low-energy radiation from nuclear blasts. Earth's atmosphere and magnetosphere allow adequate protection for us on the ground, but astronauts in space are subject to potentially lethal dosages of radiation. The penetration of high-energy particles into living cells, measured as radiation dose, leads to chromosome damage and, potentially, cancer. Large doses can be fatal immediately. Solar protons with energies greater than 30 MeV are particularly hazardous. In October 1989, the Sun produced enough energetic particles that an astronaut on the Moon, wearing only a space suit and caught out in the brunt of the storm, would probably have died. (Astronauts who had time to gain safety in a shelter beneath moon soil would have absorbed only slight amounts of radiation.) ..." - http://web.archive.org/web/20050426205707/http://ess.geology.ufl.edu/ess/Notes/040-Sun/primer.html

As an instance of this:

"... estimates of human exposure in interplanetary space, behind various thicknesses of aluminum shielding, are made for the large solar proton events of August 1972 and October 1989. A comparison of risk assessment in terms of total absorbed dose for each event is made for the skin, ocular lens, and bone marrow. Overall, the doses associated with the August 1972 event were higher than those with the October 1989 event and appear to be more limiting when compared with current guidelines for dose limits for missions in low Earth orbit and more hazardous with regard to potential acute effects on these organs. Both events could be life-threatening if adequate shielding is not provided ..." - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2020735/

Apollo 16 - April 16-27, 1972
Apollo 17 - December 7-19, 1972


"... The sun goes through a natural solar cycle approximately every 11 years. The cycle is marked by the increase and decrease of sunspots -- visible as dark blemishes on the sun's surface, or photosphere. The greatest number of sunspots in any given solar cycle is designated as "solar maximum." The lowest number is "solar minimum." ..." - https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/solarmin-max.html

"... the epoch of AP8 model (1964 for solar minimum and 1970 for solar maximum) ...

... Galactic cosmic ray particles originate outside the solar system. They include ions of all elements from atomic number 1 through 92. The flux levels of these particles are low but, because they include highly energetic particles (10s of MeV/n ~ E ~ 100s of GeV/n) of heavy elements such as iron, they produce intense ionization as they pass through matter. As with the high energy trapped protons, they are difficult to shield against. Therefore, in spite of their low levels, they constitute a significant hazard to electronics in terms of SEEs. ...

... The levels of galactic cosmic ray particles also vary with the ionization state of the particle. Particles that have not passed through large amounts of interstellar matter are not fully stripped of their electrons. Therefore, when they reach the earth's magnetosphere, they are more penetrating than the ions that are fully ionized. The capacity of a particle to ionize material is measured in terms of LET and is primarily dependent on the density of the target material and to a lesser degree the density and thickness of the shielding material." - https://radhome.gsfc.nasa.gov/radhome/papers/seeca3.htm

So the Apollo 16 & 17 'missings' were supposedly occurring during the timeframe of a peek solar maximum cycle.

"... We have rough estimates of what the moon travelers can expect, based on a few observations made during the last solar maximum in 1957. The most violent flares probably will produce exposures of 100 roentgens each hour and may hold this level for several hours ..." - The Sun Under Surveillance in the 1967 World Book Science Year; Edward P. Ney; page 89 - https://www.google.com/search?tbm=b...during+the+last+solar+maximum+in+1957%22

Apollo 11 (July 16-24, 1969)
Apollo 12 (November 14-24, 1969)
Apollo 13 (April 11-17, 1970)
Apollo 14 (January 31, 1971 - February 9, 1971)
Apollo 15 (July 26 - August 7, 1971)


most of which is roughly 11 years later (1957 + 11, 1968) in the same solar maximum cycle (within about 3 years, 1969-71.

Again:

"... SOLAR FLARE
Very hazardous and intermittent but may persist for 1 to 2 days.

High energy protons travel at the speed of light so there is no time to get under cover

Protected dose 1O-100 REM/hr
Unprotected dose Fatal
..." - http://web.archive.org/web/20060225214931/https://bway.net/~rjnoonan/humans_in_space/humans.html

"... The main space weather hazard to human life is the ionizing radiation resulting from exposure to high energy particles. These energetic particles may come from distant stars and galaxies (galactic cosmic radiation); they may be found trapped in planetary radiation belts, such as the Earth's Van Allen radiation belts; or they may be ejected into space by the Sun in the solar wind or more rapidly by solar flare eruptions (figure 2). To put the space weather radiation hazard to human life in perspective, at geostationary orbit, with only 0.1 gm/cm2 of aluminum shielding thickness, the predicted radiation dose (REM) for one year continuous exposure, with minimum-moderate solar activity, is estimated to be about 3,000,000; using 5.0 gm/cm2 of aluminum shielding, the REM for one year continuous exposure would be reduced to about 550. (Note: REM = dose (RAD) x Relative Biological Effectiveness (RBE) of particular ionizing radiation.) Although drastically reduced by shielding, 550 REM for a sample population would cause radiation sickness and about 50 percent deaths. Astronauts protected with only a spacesuit during normal-length extra-vehicular activity at geostationary altitude could receive about 0.43 REM per day under minimum to moderate solar activity conditions, which is sufficient to damage the eyes and other vital organs. Under high solar activity, and most importantly during large solar flare occurrences, daily REM values could be a thousand-fold higher and probably lethal. In comparison, an earth-bound person would have an estimated total yearly radiation dosage in the range of 0.17 to 2.6 REM; the daily dosage would be approximately 4.7 x 10-4 to 7.1 x 10-3 REM (2 to 3 orders of magnitude less than the astronauts daily dosage in our example). ..." - http://web.archive.org/web/20160112180323/https://fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2020/app-f.htm

Re: Man-kind never set foot on the planetary body known as the 'moon', acc. to Bible, History & Science. [Re: Matthew 10vs8] #194309
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Here are the Solar H-alpha Flare Events of 1969-1972:

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...atures/solar-flares/h-alpha/tables/1969/

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...atures/solar-flares/h-alpha/tables/1970/

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...atures/solar-flares/h-alpha/tables/1971/

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...atures/solar-flares/h-alpha/tables/1972/

Here are the Solar X-Ray Flares Events of 1969-1972:

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...eatures/solar-flares/x-rays/solrad/1969/

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...eatures/solar-flares/x-rays/solrad/1970/

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...eatures/solar-flares/x-rays/solrad/1971/

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...eatures/solar-flares/x-rays/solrad/1972/

Apollo 11 (July 16-24, 1969)

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...bles/1969/solar-flares-halpha_196907.pdf

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...lares/x-rays/solrad/1969/solrad_1969.txt

Apollo 12 (November 14-24, 1969)

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...bles/1969/solar-flares-halpha_196911.pdf

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...lares/x-rays/solrad/1969/solrad_1969.txt

Apollo 13 (April 11-17, 1970)

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...bles/1970/solar-flares-halpha_197004.pdf

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...lares/x-rays/solrad/1970/solrad_1970.txt

Apollo 14 (January 31, 1971 - February 9, 1971)

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...bles/1971/solar-flares-halpha_197101.pdf

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...bles/1971/solar-flares-halpha_197102.pdf

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...lares/x-rays/solrad/1971/solard_1971.txt

Apollo 15 (July 26 - August 7, 1971)

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...bles/1971/solar-flares-halpha_197107.pdf

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...bles/1971/solar-flares-halpha_197108.pdf

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...lares/x-rays/solrad/1971/solard_1971.txt

Apollo 16 - April 16-27, 1972

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...bles/1972/solar-flares-halpha_197204.pdf

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...lares/x-rays/solrad/1972/solard_1972.txt

Apollo 17 - December 7-19, 1972

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...bles/1972/solar-flares-halpha_197212.pdf

https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/space...lares/x-rays/solrad/1972/solard_1972.txt

Dr. James Van Allen's scientific research paper, which was never refuted by him in a scientific journal:

"... Our measurements show that the maximum radiation level as of 1958 is equivalent to between 10 and 100 roentgens per hour, depending on the still-undetermined proportion of protons to electrons. Since a human being exposed for two days to even 10 roentgens would have only an even chance of survival, the radiation belts obviously present an obstacle to space flight. Unless some practical way can be found to shield space-travelers against the effects of the radiation, manned space rockets can best take off through the radiation-free zone over the poles. A "space station" must orbit below 400 miles or beyond 30,000 miles from the earth. We are now planning a satellite flight that will test the efficacy of various methods of shielding.

The hazard to space-travelers may not end even when they have passed the terrestrial radiation belts. According to present knowledge the other planets of our solar system may have magnetic fields comparable to the earth's and thus may possess radiation belts of their own. The moon, however, probably has no belt, because its magnetic field appears to be feeble. Lunar probes should give us more definite information on this point before long. ..." - Scientific American, page 47 - http://www.moontruth.org/VanAllen/SciAm1959March/ScientificAmerican_VanAllenBelt.pdf

"... "The Moon is totally exposed to solar flares," explains solar physicist David Hathaway of the Marshall Space Flight Center. "It has no atmosphere or magnetic field to deflect radiation." Protons rushing at the Moon simply hit the ground--or whoever might be walking around outside. ..." - https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/27jan_solarflares/

During another peak time a massive solar flare took place in 2005:

"... The Jan. 20th [2005] proton storm was by some measures the biggest since 1989. It was particularly rich in high-speed protons packing more than 100 million electron volts (100 MeV) of energy. Such protons can burrow through 11 centimeters of water. A thin-skinned spacesuit would have offered little resistance.

"An astronaut caught outside when the storm hit would've gotten sick," says Francis Cucinotta, NASA's radiation health officer at the Johnson Space Center. At first, he'd feel fine, but a few days later symptoms of radiation sickness would appear: vomiting, fatigue, low blood counts. ..." - https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/27jan_solarflares/

1989 - 15-20 years (roughly 2 cycles) brings us right back to peak solar flare years of 1969-72.

" ... The key word is suddenly. You can get 300 rem spread out over a number of days or weeks with little effect. Spreading the dose gives the body time to repair and replace its own damaged cells. But if that 300 rem comes all at once ... "we estimate that 50% of people exposed would die within 60 days without medical care," says Cucinotta.

Such doses from a solar flare are possible. To wit: the legendary solar storm of August 1972.

It's legendary (at NASA) because it happened during the Apollo program when astronauts were going back and forth to the Moon regularly. ..." - https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/27jan_solarflares/

But Solar Flares are simply instance of instance bursts, and not counting the standard solar winds at those peak times (coming from the Sun/Sol, and doesn't even include that which is coming from extra-solar-system space). NASA would have been fools to attempt such real endeavors at those peak times! Instead, what we see in the video of Apollo 11, etc is LEO outside with blue tint of earth in the windows, which is below 400 miles, below Van Allen belts, behind massive Van Allen belt shielding.

The radiation of Van Allen and beyond is not merely destructive to human (biological) cells, but also very destructive to communications, electronic equipment, and as such, even low level bursts of Gamma, X-Rays, etc can 'kill' a guidance system, life-support and homeostasis systems, dosimetry system, etc. If those systems are damaged or dead then the persons inside the tin can, are also just as dead, even before they die of lack of oxygen, cold or heat, radiation, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xlKooAbKpM&feature=emb_logo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKB5u_VTt6M&feature=emb_logo

Re: Man-kind never set foot on the planetary body known as the 'moon', acc. to Bible, History & Science. [Re: Matthew 10vs8] #194311
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People call those who think that mankind did not 'land' on the 'moon' 'deceivers.

Deception? Hmmm. What do they think about this? Do they really think this took place on the lunar surface? Golf and a Javelin throw? Notice the ending result of both please. Also keep an eye on the 'lunar soil' (which is supposed to be 1/6th earth gravity with no 'air' resistance):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtI9krmKQ7E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_jYOubJmfM

"... A golf ball 'lost' by Alan Shepard on the Moon that he claimed travelled 'miles and miles' has been found in newly restored images ? and it only travelled 40 yards.

On February 6, 1971, the Apollo 14 mission commander hit two golf balls across the lunar surface as one of the final acts of NASA's third crewed Moon landing.

One of the balls was hit into a crater, but the other was said to have travelled 'miles and miles' ? at least by Commander Shepard.

However, newly restored images of the Apollo 14 landing site suggest that his golf swing may not have been as successful as he first thought.

In fact, the first ball came to rest 24 yards from Commander Shepard's 'teeing off' point, while the second flew a mere 40 yards.

The only footage of the swing was captured on grainy video, but Andy Saunders, an image specialist, has painstakingly enhanced high-resolution scans of the footage from the lunar mission.

He digitally enhanced scans recently released of the photographic film and used a 'stacking technique' including smaller 16mm footage shot by the crew.

This allowed him to find the second ball ? not seen in five decades ? and work out that, rather than travelling 'miles and miles', it had moved a mere 40 yards.

In some accounts, Commander Shepard allegedly 'smuggled' the key part of his makeshift golf club up to the Moon ? hiding the head of a specially-adapted six iron inside one of his socks to get it aboard the rocket. ...

... Following the 'game' of golf, Lunar Module Pilot Edgar Mitchell threw a lunar scoop handle in the manner of a javelin ? and it settled in the same crater as Commander Shepard's first golf ball. ..." - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...avelled-40-yards-on-the-moon/ar-BB1dqKQB

See also - https://arstechnica.com/science/202...lan-shepard-hit-a-golf-ball-on-the-moon/

Please. Think about this event. Look at what was recorded (carefully). Think about the physics that should have taken place in 1/6th earth gravity with no 'air' resistance with ball, javelin, soil, etc. Think about the angle of the shot of the two balls and the angle of the Javelin thrown. Think about the possibility that the ball and Javelin landing in the same 'crater' only a few yards away. Think about 'smuggling' anything onto a carefully controlled and weight checked facility (for fuel). Think about the silliness of the script and the words themselves. Do they not think that is deception, and at the minimum absurdity?

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Can anyone tell me what the boots, along with the spacesuits were made of, and what radiation protection was built into the boots, and suit, and their thermal tolerances?

Here is some information that you might consider:

https://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?id=NASM-95DFB379FF632_001-000002&max=900

"... This boot is part of the pair that was made for and worn by Eugene Cernan, commander of the Apollo 17 mission that landed on the moon on December 10, 1972.

The International Latex Corporation made the boots which were part of Cernan's extra-vehicular (EV) equipment. The EV boots were worn over the boots that were integrated into the spacesuit and which included the pressure bladder and thermal coverings. The boots were made with a silicone sole, woven stainless steel uppers (Chromel-R), and included additional layers of thermal protection and beta felt in the soles as protection against extreme temperatures and sharp rocks on the lunar surface.

Transferred to the National Air and Space Museum from NASA in 1974 ..." - https://airandspace.si.edu/collecti...cernan-apollo-17-flown/nasm_A19740133005

"Chromel-R" is a metal woven fabric. Beta felt is a Teflon coated Beta cloth (glass fiber).

"Chromel R, a nickel chromium alloy fiber developed by Hoskins Mfg. Co. in the mid-1960s, was used in the form of a woven-metal fabric to protect the astronauts? legs from hot gases produced by the astronauts? maneuvering unit. These materials would also be used in the subsequent Apollo program."- https://advancedtextilessource.com/2016/01/08/textiles-in-space/

"... The outer layer of a lunar boot, except for the sole, was fabricated from Chromel-R and the tongue area was made of Teflon-coated Beta cloth. ..." - https://www.history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch6.htm

"... The 1967 tragedy in the Apollo program led to major breakthroughs in textile science and engineering. The cabin fire that killed Gus Grissom, Edward White and Roger Chaffee during a launch pad test directly led to the development of the Beta glass fiber by Owens Corning Fiberglas Corp.


The company had been experimenting with an ultrafine glass fiber when NASA?s Johnson Space Center contracted it to further the development of ultrafine fibers. The result of this work was the development of a glass fiber with a 4.8 micron diameter that became known as Beta fiber in the aerospace community. Both NASA and Owens Corning invested in this development.

Owens Corning built a full-scale production plant after the successful development of the finest glass fiber ever made. Beta glass fiber was used extensively in the Apollo spacesuit and many other applications through the Apollo and space shuttle programs. The production plant operated until the mid-1990s when it was dismantled. Aerospace agencies had been the only customers for Beta glass fiber over the decades, and the consumption of the fiber was insufficient for the company to sustain the operation of the plant. ..." - https://advancedtextilessource.com/2016/01/08/textiles-in-space/

"... The inner layers consisted of two layers of Kapton followed by five layers of aluminized, perforated Mylar. The Mylar layers were separated by four layers of nonwoven Dacron followed by an inner liner of Teflon-coated Beta cloth. Two layers of Nomex felt in the sole ..." - https://www.history.nasa.gov/SP-368/s6ch6.htm

I did not see any radiation shielding mentioned in the making of those boots - at all. Silicone, glass fiber and 'stainless steel' are not radiation shielding materials. Galvanized Steel can block some EMF radiation.

"... One concern about gamma radiation is the possibility of too much crosslinking. Additional crosslinking may deform the product and decrease its flexibility and tensile strength as well as increase the durometer of the silicone. Bond rupturing also occurs in extreme cases. ..." - https://myemail.constantcontact.com...l?soid=1102741445137&aid=hnv4N1VQdz4

Additionally, When those boots (and the compositional materials, especially the outer most external material) were in direct contact with the lunar surface on excursions (EVA's) for several hours at a time - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spacewalks_and_moonwalks_1965%E2%80%931999 while in direct sunlight, and in shadow, what radiated the heat (sunlight and surface temperature - http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunar_Temperature ) and cold (shade and surface temperature) away from the soles of the astronauts feet?

"... Over the course of a full lunar day and night, the temperature on the Moon can vary wildly, from around +200 to -200 degrees Celsius (+392 to -328 degrees Fahrenheit) ..." - https://www.spaceanswers.com/space-...some-iss-time-lapse-will-blow-your-mind/

Would that boot material, under standard earth conditions crack, warp or deviate in form (shrink or expand, and to what extent) under similar temperatures and durations?

Can we see a demonstration of such a boot test from NASA of those historical footware that are on display, showing that they are capable of withstanding such temperatures and their extreme ranges.

"... Museum conservators try to extend the life and integrity of objects that have become fragile over time. The fragile interior rubber bladder layer and woven Link-Net restraint layer of this suit mean that it needs to be displayed with as little weight as possible pulling on it. Because the boots are sewn onto the legs of the suit, a reclined display removes that additional pressure. ..." - https://airandspace.si.edu/exhibitions/outside-the-spacecraft/online/floating.cfm

If those boots really worked so well as claimed on a lunar surface, then why wouldn't they work on Martian ones or future lunar surface EVA'S, and why the need to redesign them? The only 'boots' utilized now are for non-walking EVA's - https://www.nasa.gov/missions/shuttle/f_boots.html

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Re: Man-kind never set foot on the planetary body known as the 'moon', acc. to Bible, History & Science. [Re: Matthew 10vs8] #194315
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Has anyone seen the evidence that Richard Hall (as mentioned in the OP, "Richard Hall and fellows") provided showing that those 'photos' of the Lunar surface of the landing sites are doctored and the items highlighted are way out of scale?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNI61LbYHzI

So, many still trust that which is provided by NASA (and their eyesight), over the word (Bible, as given in OP), the history and science which shows that it was not possible to have landed man-kind upon the lunar surface in 1969 and subsequent even unto this day?

Any can see some of that here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG3XgZCzT1c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc2kijG8YdY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKj5fckUX-c

There are also plenty of photo analysis of the NASA 'photos' here:

https://www.aulis.com/investigation1.htm

Many seem to think NASA cannot just make up any image they want, but they themselves show the opposite is true:

"...To better understand the details of these images of the Apollo landings site it can be useful to refer to Figure 3.8-13, which is a digitally edited photograph from the Apollo 16 mission. It shows how the LM descent stage would appear after the crew lifted off in the ascent stage ..." - http://www.moonhoaxdebunked.com/2017/07/37-photographs-of-vehicles-left-on-moon.html

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-INS7oBAT...4BGAYYCw/s1600/Apollo16-PHOTOSHOPPED.jpg

Look carefully at the admittedly doctored photo.? Do any think they cannot and have not altered a simple grayscale of lunar surface?

"... Can?t we simply point a telescope at the Moon and see if the Apollo vehicles are there? It?s one of the most frequent and common-sense questions regarding Moon hoax theories.

The answer, unfortunately, is no: even the world?s most powerful telescopes are currently unable to resolve such tiny objects at the distance of the Moon, for reasons detailed in - https://www.moonhoaxdebunked.com/p/c07-alleged-technological-anomalies.html . ..." - ibid.

First, persons have to accept that the 'LRO' is real and accomplished what they (NASA) says it did/does.? Then they have to accept that its camera can do what they claim it does in the vacuum of space with the known radiations existing, without any degradation of signal or data (think about the problem logistics of simple earth communication and the interference just at high altitude).

Look at the supposed 'LRO' photo of the 'lunar surface' (more like high desert imitation or mock up):

http://www.mem-tek.com/apollo/LRO/a11/M109080308RE__published_lm_westcrater_dec2onvolved.png

"... Take a look at the excuse for a module. The lunar photo of the module is an indistinguishable white blob, a nothing burger. Look at and compare this with the boulders strewn at 4:00 - http://www.mem-tek.com/apollo/LRO/a11/M109080308RE__published_lm_westcrater_deconvolved.png . In fact, when you click to enlarge the photo, you can actually make out detail and shapes and certainly determine that these are boulders. ..." - https://www.winterwatch.net/2019/07...-reels-and-destroyed-mission-technology/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRE7grId3sI

http://web.archive.org/web/20130313...lo-moon-landing-hoax-proof-positive.html

More photo analysis - https://aplanetruth.info/moon-hoax-images/

Here is a pretty good list of objections (see point 149):

https://www.ufodigest.com/article/the-apollo-moon-hoax-fact-or-fiction/

Re: Man-kind never set foot on the planetary body known as the 'moon', acc. to Bible, History & Science. [Re: Matthew 10vs8] #194317
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Perhaps consider this demonstration using simple math, and keeping a close eye on the physics taking place - MYTHBUSTERS BUSTED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23BIb_PMJ4M

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