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Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: asygo] #104824
11/18/08 08:26 PM
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The only safeguard against evil is the indwelling of Christ in the heart through faith in His righteousness. It is because selfishness exists in our hearts that temptation has power over us. But when we behold the great love of God, selfishness appears to us in its hideous and repulsive character, and we desire to have it expelled from the soul. As the Holy Spirit glorifies Christ, our hearts are softened and subdued, the temptation loses its power, and the grace of Christ transforms the character. {MB 118.3}

Here's how she puts it in another place:
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The perception of God's love works the renunciation of selfishness. {MB 105.1}

So if we want to get rid of selfishness, and all sin is selfishness, the fundamental solution is to behold God's love.


By God's grace,
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: asygo] #104852
11/19/08 01:32 AM
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Arnold, I very much appreciate what your sharing here. How does this principle play out in Lucifer's case in heaven? He was totally familiar with God's love and yet it didn't prevent him from sinning and rebelling against God.

Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: Mountain Man] #104867
11/19/08 05:04 AM
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Yes, Satan knew God's love. But he stopped at the intellectual level (step 2 in my ladder). He did not trust God's love, that God loved him enough to give him everything that was good for him. This was the point where he began with Eve, insinuating that God was withholding something that was good for her.

Instead of trusting God's love, Satan believed that he loved himself more. And thus, selfishness was born.


By God's grace,
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: asygo] #104877
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So if we want to get rid of selfishness, and all sin is selfishness, the fundamental solution is to behold God's love.


Amen!!!


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: Tom] #105044
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Arnold, are you saying Lucifer's love for God was faulty and imperfect before he sinned and rebelled? Would this explain why he sinned and rebelled?

Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: Mountain Man] #105052
11/23/08 05:14 PM
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The initial problem was his misunderstanding of his love FROM God. His damaged love FOR God resulted from this initial problem. And once you start down that road, sin and rebellion are not far away.


By God's grace,
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: asygo] #105075
11/24/08 05:10 AM
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Arnold, are you saying this explains why Lucifer sinned and rebelled? Also, please explain what "misunderstanding of his love from God" means?

Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: Mountain Man] #105088
11/24/08 05:05 PM
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I only outlined my understanding of the steps Lucifer took to perdition. As for explaining it, I can't even begin to try; I am limited to describing it. Why, in the light of God's presence, anyone would even start to doubt His love is beyond me.

"misunderstanding of his love from God" = thinking that it is possible to find love from another source that is of higher quality or greater quantity than the love we receive from God.

IOW, if you think someone else loves you more than God, then you don't know how much God loves you.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: asygo] #105093
11/24/08 06:05 PM
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Ellen makes it clear Lucifer's relationship with God was perfect. Nothing was lacking. There was no more God could do to reflect or reveal His love more fully. Listen:

But even as a sinner, man was in a different position from that of Satan. Lucifer in heaven had sinned in the light of God's glory. To him as to no other created being was given a revelation of God's love. Understanding the character of God, knowing His goodness, Satan chose to follow his own selfish, independent will. This choice was final. There was no more that God could do to save him. But man was deceived; his mind was darkened by Satan's sophistry. The height and depth of the love of God he did not know. For him there was hope in a knowledge of God's love. By beholding His character he might be drawn back to God. {DA 761.5}

It is impossible to explain the origin of sin so as to give a reason for its existence. Yet enough may be understood concerning both the origin and the final disposition of sin to make fully manifest the justice and benevolence of God in all His dealings with evil. Nothing is more plainly taught in Scripture than that God was in no wise responsible for the entrance of sin; that there was no arbitrary withdrawal of divine grace, no deficiency in the divine government, that gave occasion for the uprising of rebellion. Sin is an intruder, for whose presence no reason can be given. It is mysterious, unaccountable; to excuse it is to defend it. Could excuse for it be found, or cause be shown for its existence, it would cease to be sin. Our only definition of sin is that given in the word of God; it is "the transgression of the law;" it is the outworking of a principle at war with the great law of love which is the foundation of the divine government. {GC 492.2}

Re: The Serpent and the Seed (sermon by Arnold Sy Go) [Re: Mountain Man] #105195
11/26/08 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Ellen makes it clear Lucifer's relationship with God was perfect. Nothing was lacking. There was no more God could do to reflect or reveal His love more fully.

I didn't say that God held something back, that He could have shown more love. What I said was that Lucifer didn't have faith in it. Had he trusted God's love, he wouldn't have trusted "his own selfish, independent will." That is the same problem you and I have whenever we sin - we think we love ourselves better than God.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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