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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Tom] #106556
12/26/08 06:22 PM
12/26/08 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: Tom
Daryl, where did you come across the thing you quoted?

teresaq, I didn't understand your comment:

Quote:
i guess we figure we know better.


i was referring to the part of the article i put and several such statements trying to defend the postlapsarian position which makes Jesus "altogether like us" as i read them. ellen white was quite clear, i thought, in how we should be careful in that area.

then we have that non-sdas understanding of what is being said.

in defending our positions, whatever they are, i dont think we realize how others can be reading them. they are all the more damaging if we dont know what others beliefs are.


Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Colin] #106557
12/26/08 06:28 PM
12/26/08 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: Colin
Originally Posted By: teresaq
Never, in any way, leave the slightest impression upon human minds that a taint of, or inclination to corruption rested upon Christ, or that He in any way yielded to corruption

A fine quote, if you let her speak for herself - this sentence looks very much like the much misinterpreted "Baker letter". Does this whole paragraph say Jesus a humanity without the inclination to sin? What do the highlighted words indicate about Jesus' humanity and actions?


if people are coming to these conclusions from our wording of our beliefs, you dont think maybe we should be more careful? and perhaps in the long run it just isnt that important to defend if it can cause others to stumble, or give us a black eye.

Quote:
In SDA theology Christ desired and lusted to sin but did not yield to His temptation to sin....


do we give the impression we believe this? apparently we do.
in light of that should we be more careful?


Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: teresaq] #106558
12/26/08 07:32 PM
12/26/08 07:32 PM
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There are other statements besides the Baker letter which point out the importance of being accurate in regards to how one discusses Christ's humanity. Since the Baker letter is often used by pre-lapsarians as an attempt to show that EGW's position was pre-lapsarian, citing it in particular is liable to start a discussion which goes beyond simply being accurate, but enters into the subject of what human nature Christ took.

In regards to the site teresaq cited, I saw the following from this site, under the heading "The Historical Adventist Concept of Christ and Sin:

Quote:

1) Sin is an action of the will in transgressing the law of God, for which we are responsible because Christ has provided us power to keep the law.
2) Jesus was born with our fallen, weakened human nature, “born in the likeness of sinful flesh.” Romans 8: 3. “In assuming humanity Christ took the part of every human being. He . . . took our nature in its deteriorated condition.” Selected Messages, book 1, 252– 253. Though taking our “nature in its fallen condition, Christ did not in the least participate in its sin,” for He did not yield to its weaknesses. Ibid., 256. He gained victory by uniting our fallen nature with His divine nature, showing that man, in co- operation with God, can be an overcomer.
3) Through the new birth, Jesus offers us a new, spiritual nature. “Genuine faith appropriates the righteousness of Christ, . . . and the sinner is made an overcomer with Christ; for he is made a partaker of the divine nature, and thus divinity and humanity are combined.” Ibid., 364
4) Therefore, the gospel is the good news that Jesus came down both to justify us and sanctify us. “His perfect humanity is that which alt His followers may possess, if they will be in subjection to God as He was.” The Desire of Ages, 664
5) Jesus entered a new ministry in 1844 to cleanse the sanctuary. This work involves both an investigative judgment and a cleansing of His people from sin, so that they can go through the time of trouble without a mediator and be ready for translation. (The date 1844 is thus very significant.)


This looks to me to pretty clearly stated.

I'm not wishing to defend the inaccuracies cited elsewhere in the website. Again, we have clear counsel, outside of the Baker letter, to be careful and accurate in how we discuss Christ, and even apart from such counsel common sense would dictate this. However, the website seemed to be clear in what it was trying to communicate overall. The inaccuracies cited seem to me to be a more minor infraction than statements which some make to the effect that Christ took a sinless human nature, or that Christ could not be tempted from within, which is missing the boat altogether.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Tom] #106559
12/26/08 07:41 PM
12/26/08 07:41 PM
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If people are coming to these conclusions from our wording of our beliefs, you don't think maybe we should be more careful? And perhaps in the long run it just isn't that important to defend if it can cause others to stumble, or give us a black eye.


Regarding the first question, being as careful as possible is good counsel. Regarding the second, it seems this idea could be applied to any belief at all, right? That is, for example, it's possible to make a mistake in regards to what we believe about the Godhead (indeed, it seems very difficult not to, I'd say quite a bit more difficult than the discussion of Christ's human nature). So should we not defend our beliefs regarding this subject too, because it might cause someone to stumble, or give us a black eye?

Another difficult subject is the investigative judgment. This is certainly a subject which gives SDA's a black eye, since it looks to many to be simply a face-saving exercise.

In short, it seems to me that the idea that we should not defend our beliefs because it might cause another to stumble, or give us a black eye, could be applied to any belief. Rather we should defend the beliefs important to us, but be very careful in how we put things, as careful as we can be.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Tom] #106566
12/26/08 09:43 PM
12/26/08 09:43 PM
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Yes, we should be able to defend our beliefs, however, we should be able to do that backed by the Word of God, which we often refer to, either as the Holy Scriptures, or the Bible.


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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: teresaq] #106586
12/27/08 12:17 PM
12/27/08 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: teresaq


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In SDA theology Christ desired and lusted to sin but did not yield to His temptation to sin....


do we give the impression we believe this? apparently we do.
in light of that should we be more careful?


Unfortunately, Teresaq, I think many Adventists do believe this.

Are you familiar with Dennis Preibe? He wrote a book, nearly 20 years ago, called "Face to Face With the Real Gospel". He is considered a Conservative among Adventists. He is/was (not sure) a professor at one of our schools.... Most conservatives we talk with, think he is correct in his thinking...and this is from the first edition of the book...(he since reprinted it and reworded it, but he told us personally he still believes what he originally wrote)...Years ago, after my husband and I had both read this book, he wrote a little booklet called, "Beware of the Leaven of the Pharisess".... I'll quote a bit of it here...sorry it is so long....but if you read it, I think you'll find it very enlightening.

Quote:
The first point that I want to look at is on pg. 59 (FACE TO FACE *). “Why did Jesus say, ‘I seek not mine own will’ (John 5:30), and ‘I come down from heaven, not to do mine own will’ (John 7:38)? Why would it be necessary to say this if His own will was faultless and pure, and holy? But if His own will and His own inclinations were tending toward the negative, then it would make sense for Him to ask that His Father’s will be done.” Please realize that Priebe is here saying that Jesus’ will was NOT “faultless, pure and holy” and also that “His own will and His own inclinations were tending toward the negative.” He is also interpreting John 5 & 6 to be saying that Jesus’ “will” was different than His Father’s. There are two parts to this that I want to examine: His “will” and His “inclination”.

Priebe says, “His own will was tending toward the negative.” I just want to compare this to three Spirit of Prophecy quotes.

“The WILL, refined and sanctified, will find its highest delight in doing His service.” DA-668.

“The time of the Passover was drawing near, and again Jesus turned toward Jerusalem. In His heart was the peace of PERFECT ONENESS WITH THE Father’s WILL, and with eager steps He pressed on toward the place of sacrifice.” DA-547. “...perfect ones with the Father’s WILL”. Can Priebe’s statements and this quote be made to harmonize?

The last quote may be the best one for this comparison, because it is from the chapter in Desire of Ages, which is a commentary on John 5, which Priebe uses to say that Jesus’ will was contrary to His Father’s and that “His own will was tending toward the negative.” In Desire of Ages, pg. 208 she says, “Jesus repelled the charge of blasphemy. My authority, He said, for doing the work of which you accuse Me, is that I am the Son of God, one with Him in nature, in WILL, and in purpose.” In the very discourse where Jesus is claiming His oneness with God, (“Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.” John 5:18.), and where Ellen White says He is “one with Him in WILL”, Priebe is saying “His will was tending toward the negative”, and contrary to His Father’s. I find this incredible! Please read those chapters for yourself – John 5 and “Bethesaida and the Sanhedrin” and decide for yourself. On pg. 210 of Desire of Ages, she says, “The humble Nazarene asserts His real nobility. He rises above humanity, throws off the guise of sin and shame, and stands revealed, the Honored of the angels, the Son of God, One with the Creator of the universe. His hearers are spellbound. No man has ever spoken words like His, or borne himself with such a kingly majesty. His utterances are clear and plain, fully declaring His mission, and the duty of the world.”

And as an answer to the often asked questions, “Why did Jesus say ‘I seek not mine own will’?” First, He was trying to make them understand that everything He did was from God the Father – Whom they claimed to acknowledge as their supreme Ruler – (Jesus, they didn’t acknowledge), and that in rejecting Him, they were truly rejecting God. “He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent Him.” John 5:23. A similar statement is found in one of the very next chapters of John’s Gospel, where He says, “My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.” John 7:16. Again He was trying to make them understand that in rejecting His “doctrine”, they were in reality, rejecting God’s doctrine. No on would ever say that Jesus was here saying His “doctrine” was different from His Fathers’. Secondly, Jesus was showing an EXAMPE of submission and surrender to God, just as He was baptized as an example. Please read pgs. 208 and 209 of Desire of Ages. She gives a very strong illustration of this. And in the midst it says, “He (Jesus) said, ‘I DELIGHT to do Thy WILL....” (Psalms 40:8).

The Bible says God’s will is, “This is the WILL of God even your sanctification.” 1 Thes. 4:3. IF Jesus’ will was different from God’s, what would this mean? Ellen White says, “From His earliest years He was possessed of one purpose; He lived to bless others.” DA-70. “Jesus alone could read this secret. Yet He did not expose him. Jesus hungered for his soul. He felt for him such a burden as for Jerusalem when He wept over the doomed city. His heart was crying, ‘How can I give thee up’?” I believe it can be equally said of Jesus: “This is the will of God, even your sanctification.”

The other part of the quote that I want to look at concerns His “inclinations”. “His own INCLINATION was tending toward the negative”, Priebe says in FACE TO FACE, pg. 59. In BC-1128, Ellen White says, “NEVER in ANY way, leave the SLIGHTEST impression upon human minds that a taint of or INCLINATION to corruption rested upon Christ, or that He in any way yielded to corruption.” Please read this quote over and over and let every word have its proper bearing, and then compare both quotes very carefully. There is no way that these quotes can be made to harmonize. The subject of our “inclinations” deserves further study, but I won’t spend time on that in this paper.

The next quote I want to look at is on FACE to FACE, pg. 60. Here he says “He knew what it was like to want to go wrong. He knew what it was like to feel the temptation to rebel against God, and that temptation arose within His nature.” There are also two points in this quote that I want to examine. First, “He knew what it was like to WANT to go wrong”. Please realize that he is saying Jesus knew by experience. I again want to compare a few Ellen White quotes with this statement. The first is from 1888 Materials pg. 538. “...as we are clothed with the righteousness of Christ we have a power and a strength that is imparted unto us, and we will not WANT to sin.” “...we will not WANT to sin”. Again, I believe there is no way these two quotes can be made to harmonize. Here are a few more to consider. “Never before had there been a being upon the earth who hated sin with so perfect a hatred as did Christ.” 1SM-254. “...Never lived there another who so hated evil.” ED-79. Try to think of anything you have a “perfect” hatred for and then ask yourself if you “want” to do it. In 7BC-927, she says, “...the refined sensibilities of His holy nature rendered contact with evil unspeakably painful to Him.” Can you imagine “wanting” to do something that in just witnessing it you find “unspeakably painful”? She also says, “...as the sinless one His nature recoiled from evil.” SC-93, 94.

Please allow me to make one illustration. To me, one of the most sickening things I can think of is child sexual abuse. If there is anything I “hate with a perfect hatred”, “recoil” from, find “unspeakably painful”, it is this. I believe with all my heart that never in a million years would I for one second “WANT” to do this.

The second part of that quote I want to look at says, “He knew what it was like to feel the temptation to rebel against God, AND THAT TEMPTATION, AROSE FROM WITHIN HIS NATURE.” FACE to FACE, pg. 60. In Mount of Blessings, pg. 116, it says, “Temptation is enticement to sin, and this does not proceed from God, but from #1) from Satan and #2) from the evil of our own hearts.” I find Priebe’s quote very disturbing in the light of this quote. Now coming from a different aspect is this quote, “The completeness of Christian character is attained when the impulse to help and bless others springs constantly from WITHIN.” AA-551. Once again I find a serious conflict between what Ellen White says and what Priebe says.

On pg. 59, Priebe says, “Are not our problems basically self and pride and the desire that come from our fallen nature? Do we not fall most often because of the inner desire that lead us astray? If Jesus did not have any of these, could it really be true that He was tempted in all points as we are?” This quote is absolutely incredible! And I thank God that he chose the specific words that he did – SELF and PRIDE.

Please compare his statement with the following six quotes:

1). “So utterly was Christ emptied of SELF that He made no plans for Himself.”
DA-208.
2). “The drunkard is despised and is told that his sin will exclude him from
heaven; while PRIDE, selfishness, and covetousness too often go unrebuked.
But these are sins that are especially offense to God; for they are contrary
to the benevolence of His character, to that unselfish love which is the
very atmosphere of the unfallen universe.” SC-30.
3). “The divine love ruling in the heart EXTERMINATES PRIDE and selfishness.”
5T-168.
4). “Human nature is ever struggling for expression, ready for contest; but he
who learns of Christ is EMPTIED of SELF, of PRIDE, of love of supremacy,
and there is silence in the soul.” MB-15.
5). “PRIDE, ambition, deceit, hatred, selfishness, must be cleansed from the
heart.” 5T-175.
6). “It was the PRIDE and ambition cherished in the heart of Satan that
banished him from heaven. These evils are deeply rooted in our fallen
nature, and if not REMOVED they will overshadow every good and noble
quality and bring forth envy and strife as their baleful fruits.” 5T-242.

There is one more very important point which must be examined. It concerns what Christ inherited by nature. Priebe is very correct in opposing the New Theology teaching that Christ came with an unfallen nature or the nature of Adam before the fall. But in doing this he makes some very grave mistakes. On pg. 55, he says, “If Jesus’ life is to have any meaning as an example for us, then it is crucial that He inherit just what I inherit.” In his own book, Priebe says, “We do inherit BADNESS, weakness, and CORRUPTION from Adam.” Pg. 27. Again Priebe says on pg. 55, “...it is, crucial that He inherit just what I inherit.” Ellen White says,”...Because of sin his (Adam’s) posterity was BORN with PROPENSITIES OF DISOBEDIENCE. But Jesus Christ was the only begotten Son of God...not for one moment was there in Him an evil propensity.” BC-1128. Ellen White clearly teaches WE INHERIT evil propensities, in the same paragraph she contrasts Christ with us and she says He did not inherit evil propensities.” On pg. 54, he says, “The crucial point is that a sinful propensity is permitted to develop from our INHERITED bent to evil. Jesus never developed such sinful propensities.” And on pg. 55, is the sentence, “If Jesus’ life is to have any meaning as an example for us, then it is CRUCIAL that He inherit JUST what I inherit.” Please reread those last two quotes very closely. Priebe is clearly and openly teaching that Jesus Christ had a bent to evil. Please give this point some very serious thought and study. How you stand on it is absolutely critical. Remember, “He is the Pattern Man.” 7BC-970.


Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own. {COL 69}

Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Tammy Roesch] #106587
12/27/08 12:35 PM
12/27/08 12:35 PM
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Here is a linkk to the entire little booklet for anyone interested - Beware of the Leaven of the Pharisees .


Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church. When the character of Christ shall be perfectly reproduced in His people, then He will come to claim them as His own. {COL 69}

Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Tammy Roesch] #106589
12/27/08 01:35 PM
12/27/08 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: Tammy Roesch
Originally Posted By: teresaq


Quote:
In SDA theology Christ desired and lusted to sin but did not yield to His temptation to sin....


do we give the impression we believe this? apparently we do.
in light of that should we be more careful?


Unfortunately, Teresaq, I think many Adventists do believe this.

Are you familiar with Dennis Preibe? He wrote a book, nearly 20 years ago, called "Face to Face With the Real Gospel". He is considered a Conservative among Adventists. He is/was (not sure) a professor at one of our schools.... Most conservatives we talk with, think he is correct in his thinking...and this is from the first edition of the book...(he since reprinted it and reworded it, but he told us personally he still believes what he originally wrote)...Years ago, after my husband and I had both read this book, he wrote a little booklet called, "Beware of the Leaven of the Pharisess".... I'll quote a bit of it here...sorry it is so long....but if you read it, I think you'll find it very enlightening.

Quote:
The first point that I want to look at is on pg. 59 (FACE TO FACE *). “Why did Jesus say, ‘I seek not mine own will’ (John 5:30), and ‘I come down from heaven, not to do mine own will’ (John 7:38)? Why would it be necessary to say this if His own will was faultless and pure, and holy? But if His own will and His own inclinations were tending toward the negative, then it would make sense for Him to ask that His Father’s will be done.” Please realize that Priebe is here saying that Jesus’ will was NOT “faultless, pure and holy” and also that “His own will and His own inclinations were tending toward the negative.” He is also interpreting John 5 & 6 to be saying that Jesus’ “will” was different than His Father’s. There are two parts to this that I want to examine: His “will” and His “inclination”.

Priebe says, “His own will was tending toward the negative.” I just want to compare this to three Spirit of Prophecy quotes.

“The WILL, refined and sanctified, will find its highest delight in doing His service.” DA-668.

“The time of the Passover was drawing near, and again Jesus turned toward Jerusalem. In His heart was the peace of PERFECT ONENESS WITH THE Father’s WILL, and with eager steps He pressed on toward the place of sacrifice.” DA-547. “...perfect ones with the Father’s WILL”. Can Priebe’s statements and this quote be made to harmonize?

The last quote may be the best one for this comparison, because it is from the chapter in Desire of Ages, which is a commentary on John 5, which Priebe uses to say that Jesus’ will was contrary to His Father’s and that “His own will was tending toward the negative.” In Desire of Ages, pg. 208 she says, “Jesus repelled the charge of blasphemy. My authority, He said, for doing the work of which you accuse Me, is that I am the Son of God, one with Him in nature, in WILL, and in purpose.” In the very discourse where Jesus is claiming His oneness with God, (“Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.” John 5:18.), and where Ellen White says He is “one with Him in WILL”, Priebe is saying “His will was tending toward the negative”, and contrary to His Father’s. I find this incredible! Please read those chapters for yourself – John 5 and “Bethesaida and the Sanhedrin” and decide for yourself. On pg. 210 of Desire of Ages, she says, “The humble Nazarene asserts His real nobility. He rises above humanity, throws off the guise of sin and shame, and stands revealed, the Honored of the angels, the Son of God, One with the Creator of the universe. His hearers are spellbound. No man has ever spoken words like His, or borne himself with such a kingly majesty. His utterances are clear and plain, fully declaring His mission, and the duty of the world.”

And as an answer to the often asked questions, “Why did Jesus say ‘I seek not mine own will’?” First, He was trying to make them understand that everything He did was from God the Father – Whom they claimed to acknowledge as their supreme Ruler – (Jesus, they didn’t acknowledge), and that in rejecting Him, they were truly rejecting God. “He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent Him.” John 5:23. A similar statement is found in one of the very next chapters of John’s Gospel, where He says, “My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.” John 7:16. Again He was trying to make them understand that in rejecting His “doctrine”, they were in reality, rejecting God’s doctrine. No on would ever say that Jesus was here saying His “doctrine” was different from His Fathers’. Secondly, Jesus was showing an EXAMPE of submission and surrender to God, just as He was baptized as an example. Please read pgs. 208 and 209 of Desire of Ages. She gives a very strong illustration of this. And in the midst it says, “He (Jesus) said, ‘I DELIGHT to do Thy WILL....” (Psalms 40:8).

The Bible says God’s will is, “This is the WILL of God even your sanctification.” 1 Thes. 4:3. IF Jesus’ will was different from God’s, what would this mean? Ellen White says, “From His earliest years He was possessed of one purpose; He lived to bless others.” DA-70. “Jesus alone could read this secret. Yet He did not expose him. Jesus hungered for his soul. He felt for him such a burden as for Jerusalem when He wept over the doomed city. His heart was crying, ‘How can I give thee up’?” I believe it can be equally said of Jesus: “This is the will of God, even your sanctification.”

The other part of the quote that I want to look at concerns His “inclinations”. “His own INCLINATION was tending toward the negative”, Priebe says in FACE TO FACE, pg. 59. In BC-1128, Ellen White says, “NEVER in ANY way, leave the SLIGHTEST impression upon human minds that a taint of or INCLINATION to corruption rested upon Christ, or that He in any way yielded to corruption.” Please read this quote over and over and let every word have its proper bearing, and then compare both quotes very carefully. There is no way that these quotes can be made to harmonize. The subject of our “inclinations” deserves further study, but I won’t spend time on that in this paper.

The next quote I want to look at is on FACE to FACE, pg. 60. Here he says “He knew what it was like to want to go wrong. He knew what it was like to feel the temptation to rebel against God, and that temptation arose within His nature.” There are also two points in this quote that I want to examine. First, “He knew what it was like to WANT to go wrong”. Please realize that he is saying Jesus knew by experience. I again want to compare a few Ellen White quotes with this statement. The first is from 1888 Materials pg. 538. “...as we are clothed with the righteousness of Christ we have a power and a strength that is imparted unto us, and we will not WANT to sin.” “...we will not WANT to sin”. Again, I believe there is no way these two quotes can be made to harmonize. Here are a few more to consider. “Never before had there been a being upon the earth who hated sin with so perfect a hatred as did Christ.” 1SM-254. “...Never lived there another who so hated evil.” ED-79. Try to think of anything you have a “perfect” hatred for and then ask yourself if you “want” to do it. In 7BC-927, she says, “...the refined sensibilities of His holy nature rendered contact with evil unspeakably painful to Him.” Can you imagine “wanting” to do something that in just witnessing it you find “unspeakably painful”? She also says, “...as the sinless one His nature recoiled from evil.” SC-93, 94.

Please allow me to make one illustration. To me, one of the most sickening things I can think of is child sexual abuse. If there is anything I “hate with a perfect hatred”, “recoil” from, find “unspeakably painful”, it is this. I believe with all my heart that never in a million years would I for one second “WANT” to do this.

The second part of that quote I want to look at says, “He knew what it was like to feel the temptation to rebel against God, AND THAT TEMPTATION, AROSE FROM WITHIN HIS NATURE.” FACE to FACE, pg. 60. In Mount of Blessings, pg. 116, it says, “Temptation is enticement to sin, and this does not proceed from God, but from #1) from Satan and #2) from the evil of our own hearts.” I find Priebe’s quote very disturbing in the light of this quote. Now coming from a different aspect is this quote, “The completeness of Christian character is attained when the impulse to help and bless others springs constantly from WITHIN.” AA-551. Once again I find a serious conflict between what Ellen White says and what Priebe says.

On pg. 59, Priebe says, “Are not our problems basically self and pride and the desire that come from our fallen nature? Do we not fall most often because of the inner desire that lead us astray? If Jesus did not have any of these, could it really be true that He was tempted in all points as we are?” This quote is absolutely incredible! And I thank God that he chose the specific words that he did – SELF and PRIDE.

Please compare his statement with the following six quotes:

1). “So utterly was Christ emptied of SELF that He made no plans for Himself.”
DA-208.
2). “The drunkard is despised and is told that his sin will exclude him from
heaven; while PRIDE, selfishness, and covetousness too often go unrebuked.
But these are sins that are especially offense to God; for they are contrary
to the benevolence of His character, to that unselfish love which is the
very atmosphere of the unfallen universe.” SC-30.
3). “The divine love ruling in the heart EXTERMINATES PRIDE and selfishness.”
5T-168.
4). “Human nature is ever struggling for expression, ready for contest; but he
who learns of Christ is EMPTIED of SELF, of PRIDE, of love of supremacy,
and there is silence in the soul.” MB-15.
5). “PRIDE, ambition, deceit, hatred, selfishness, must be cleansed from the
heart.” 5T-175.
6). “It was the PRIDE and ambition cherished in the heart of Satan that
banished him from heaven. These evils are deeply rooted in our fallen
nature, and if not REMOVED they will overshadow every good and noble
quality and bring forth envy and strife as their baleful fruits.” 5T-242.

There is one more very important point which must be examined. It concerns what Christ inherited by nature. Priebe is very correct in opposing the New Theology teaching that Christ came with an unfallen nature or the nature of Adam before the fall. But in doing this he makes some very grave mistakes. On pg. 55, he says, “If Jesus’ life is to have any meaning as an example for us, then it is crucial that He inherit just what I inherit.” In his own book, Priebe says, “We do inherit BADNESS, weakness, and CORRUPTION from Adam.” Pg. 27. Again Priebe says on pg. 55, “...it is, crucial that He inherit just what I inherit.” Ellen White says,”...Because of sin his (Adam’s) posterity was BORN with PROPENSITIES OF DISOBEDIENCE. But Jesus Christ was the only begotten Son of God...not for one moment was there in Him an evil propensity.” BC-1128. Ellen White clearly teaches WE INHERIT evil propensities, in the same paragraph she contrasts Christ with us and she says He did not inherit evil propensities.” On pg. 54, he says, “The crucial point is that a sinful propensity is permitted to develop from our INHERITED bent to evil. Jesus never developed such sinful propensities.” And on pg. 55, is the sentence, “If Jesus’ life is to have any meaning as an example for us, then it is CRUCIAL that He inherit JUST what I inherit.” Please reread those last two quotes very closely. Priebe is clearly and openly teaching that Jesus Christ had a bent to evil. Please give this point some very serious thought and study. How you stand on it is absolutely critical. Remember, “He is the Pattern Man.” 7BC-970.


Tammy,
In what I have studied of his writings, I have not come across where Dennis Preibe says that Christ desired or lusted to sin, do you have a link or sermon...?

As for any Adventist believing this, I have never come across this...
Rick

Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Rick H] #106590
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Jesus took Adam’s human nature after the fall. But Jesus did not inherit sinful tendencies from Adam - that is, Jesus did not have a tendency to sin. Christ inherited our physical weaknesses, for example, Christ had to sleep when he got tired. He had to eat when he got hungry and drink when he got thirsty. He inherited our physical limitations but not our sinful inclinations. He did not lust after sinful pleasure or have a desire to indulge in sin.

Physically, Christ was like us - feeling pain, frail, weak, prone to get sick if we don’t take care of our bodies, and under the consequences of aging. But morally, Christ could be tested by temptation as scripture shows us but did not have our ungodly desires or sinful inclinations.

Here is what is written on the subject from the Spirit of Prophecy:

".. I. The Mystery of the Incarnation

The humanity of the Son of God is everything to us. It is the golden chain that binds our souls to Christ, and through Christ to God. This is to be our study. Christ was a real man; He gave proof of His humility in becoming a man. Yet He was God in the flesh. When we approach this subject, we would do well to heed the words spoken by Christ to Moses at the burning bush, "Put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place where on thou standest is holy ground." We should come to this study with the humility of a learner, with a contrite heart. And the study of the incarnation of Christ is a fruitful field, which will repay the searcher who digs deep for hidden truth.--The Youth's Instructor, Oct. 13, 1898. {7ABC 443.1}
The only plan that could be devised to save the human race was that which called for the incarnation, humiliation, and crucifixion of the Son of God, the Majesty of heaven. After the plan of salvation was devised, Satan could have no ground upon which to found his suggestion that God, because so great, could care nothing for so insignificant a creature as man.--The Signs of the Times, Jan. 20, 1890. {7ABC 443.2}
In contemplating the incarnation of Christ in humanity, we stand baffled before an unfathomable mystery, that the human mind cannot comprehend. The more we reflect upon it, the more amazing does it appear. How wide is the contrast between the divinity of Christ and the helpless infant in Bethlehem's manger! How can we span the distance between the mighty God and a helpless child? And yet the Creator of worlds, He in whom was the fullness of the Godhead bodily, was manifest in the helpless babe in the manger. Far higher than any of the angels, equal with the Father in dignity and glory, and yet wearing the garb of humanity! Divinity and humanity were mysteriously combined, and man and god became one. It is in this union that we find the hope of our fallen race. Looking upon Christ in humanity, we look upon God, and see in Him the brightness of His glory, the express image of His person.--The Signs of the Times, July 30, 1896. {7ABC 443.3}
As the worker studies the life of Christ, and the character of His mission is dwelt upon, each fresh search will reveal something more deeply interesting than has yet been unfolded. The subject is inexhaustible. The study of the incarnation of Christ, His atoning sacrifice and mediatorial work, will employ the mind of the diligent student as long as time shall last.--Gospel Workers, p. 251. {7ABC 444.1}
That God should thus be manifest in the flesh is indeed a mystery; and without the help of the Holy Spirit we cannot hope to comprehend this subject. The most humbling lesson that man has to learn is the nothingness of human wisdom, and the folly of trying, by his own unaided efforts, to find out God.--The Review and Herald, April 5, 1906. {7ABC 444.2}
Was the human nature of the Son of Mary changed into the divine nature of the Son of God? No; the two natures were mysteriously blended in one person--the man Christ Jesus. In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. . . . {7ABC 444.3}
This is a great mystery, a mystery that will not be fully, completely understood in all its greatness until the translation of the redeemed shall take place. Then the power and greatness and efficacy of the gift of God to man will be understood. But the enemy is determined that this gift shall be so mystified that it will become as nothingness.--The SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1113. {7ABC 444.4}
We cannot explain the great mystery of the plan of redemption. Jesus took upon himself humanity, that He might reach humanity; but we cannot explain how divinity was clothed with humanity. An angel would not have known how to sympathize with fallen man, but Christ came to the world and suffered all our temptations, and carried all our griefs.--The Review and Herald, Oct. 1, 1889. {7ABC 444.5}



II. Miraculous Union of Human and Divine

Laying aside His royal robe and kingly crown, Christ clothed His divinity with humanity, that human beings might be raised from their degradation and placed on vantage-ground. Christ could not have come to this earth with the glory that he had in the heavenly courts. Sinful human beings could not have borne the sight. He veiled his divinity with the garb of humanity, but He did not part with His divinity. A divine-human saviour, He came to stand at the head of the fallen race, to share in their experience from childhood to manhood. That human beings might be partakers of the divine nature, He came to this earth, and lived a life of perfect obedience.--Ibid., June 15, 1905. {7ABC 444.6}
In Christ, divinity and humanity were combined. Divinity was not degraded to humanity; divinity held its place, but humanity by being united to divinity, withstood the fiercest test of temptation in the wilderness. The prince of this world came to Christ after his long fast, when He was an hungered, and suggested to Him to command the stones to become bread. But the plan of God, devised for the salvation of man, provided that Christ should know hunger, and poverty, and every phase of man's experience.--Ibid., Feb. 18, 1890. {7ABC 445.1}
The more we think about Christ's becoming a babe here on earth, the more wonderful it appears. How can it be that the helpless babe in Bethlehem's manger is still the divine Son of God? Though we cannot understand it, we can believe that He who made the worlds, for our sakes became a helpless babe. Though higher than any of the angels, though as great as the Father on the throne of heaven he became one with us. In Him God and man became one, and it is in this fact that we find the hope of our fallen race. Looking upon Christ in the flesh, we look upon God in humanity, and see in Him the brightness of divine glory, the express image of God the Father.--The Youth's Instructor, Nov. 21, 1895. {7ABC 445.2}
No one, looking upon the childlike countenance, shining with animation, could say that Christ was just like other children. He was God in human flesh. When urged by His companions to do wrong, divinity flashed through humanity, and He refused decidedly. In a moment He distinguished between right and wrong, and placed sin in the light of God's commands, holding up the law as a mirror which reflected light upon wrong.--Ibid., Sept. 8, 1898. {7ABC 445.3}
As a member of the human family He was mortal, but as a God He was the fountain of life to the world. He could, in His divine person, ever have withstood the advances of death, and refused to come under its dominion; but He voluntarily laid down His life, that in so doing He might give life and bring immortality to light. . . . What humility was this! It amazed angels. The tongue can never describe it; the imagination cannot take it in. The eternal Word consented to be made flesh! God became man!--The Review and Herald, July 5, 1887. {7ABC 445.4}
The apostle would call our attention from ourselves to the Author of our salvation. He presents before us His two natures, divine and human. . . . He voluntarily assumed human nature. It was his own act, and by His own consent. He clothed His divinity with humanity. He was all the while as God, but He did not appear as God. He veiled the demonstrations of Deity which had commanded the homage, and called forth the admiration of the universe of God. He was God while upon earth, but He divested Himself of the form of God, and in its stead took the form and fashion of a man. He walked the earth as a man. For our sakes He became poor, that we through His poverty might be made rich. He laid aside His glory and His majesty. He was God, but the glories of the form of God He for awhile relinquished. . . . He bore the sins of the world, and endured the penalty which rolled like a mountain upon His divine soul. He yielded up His life a sacrifice, that man should not eternally die. He died, not through being compelled to die, but by His own free will.--Ibid. {7ABC 446.1}
Was the human nature of the Son of Mary changed into the divine nature of the Son of God? No; the two natures were mysteriously blended in one person--the man Christ Jesus. In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. When Christ was crucified, it was His human nature that died. Deity did not sink and die; that would have been impossible.--The SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1113. {7ABC 446.2}
III. Took Sinless Human Nature

Christ came to the earth, taking humanity, and standing as man's representative, to show in the controversy with Satan that man, as God created him, connected with the Father and the Son, could obey every divine requirement.--The Signs of the Times, June 9, 1898. {7ABC 446.3}
Christ is called the second Adam. In purity and holiness, connected with God and beloved by God, He began where the first Adam began. Willingly He passed over the ground where Adam fell, and redeemed Adam's failure.--The Youth's Instructor, June 2, 1898.

(447) {7ABC 446.4}
In the fullness of time He was to be revealed in human form. He was to take His position at the head of humanity by taking the nature but not the sinfulness of man. In heaven was heard the voice, "The Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord."--The Signs of the Times, May 29, 1901. {7ABC 447.1}
When Christ bowed His head and died, He bore the pillars of Satan's kingdom with Him to the earth. He vanquished Satan in the same nature over which in Eden Satan obtained the victory. The enemy was overcome by Christ in His human nature. The power of the Saviour's Godhead was hidden. He overcame in human nature, relying upon God for power.--The Youth's Instructor, April 25, 1901. {7ABC 447.2}
In taking upon Himself man's nature in its fallen condition, Christ did not in the least participate in its sin. He was subject to the infirmities and weaknesses by which man is encompassed, "that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses." He was touched with the feeling of our infirmities, and was in all points tempted like as we are. And yet He "knew no sin." He was the Lamb "without blemish and without spot." Could Satan in the least particular have tempted Christ to sin, he would have bruised the Saviour's head. As it was, he could only touch His heel. Had the head of Christ been touched, the hope of the human race would have perished. Divine wrath would have come upon Christ as it came upon Adam. . . . We should have no misgivings in regard to the perfect sinlessness of the human nature of Christ.-- The SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1131. {7ABC 447.3}
Be careful, exceedingly careful as to how you dwell upon the human nature of Christ. Do not set Him before the people as a man with the propensities of sin. He is the second Adam. The first Adam was created a pure, sinless being, without a taint of sin upon him; he was in the image of God. He could fall, and he did fall through transgressing. Because of sin his posterity was born with inherent propensities of disobedience. But Jesus Christ was the only begotten Son of God. He took upon Himself human nature, and was tempted in all points as human nature is tempted. He could have sinned; He could have fallen, but not for one moment was there in Him an evil propensity. He was assailed with temptations in the wilderness, as Adam was assailed with temptations in Eden.--Ibid., p. 1128.


(448) {7ABC 447.4}
The Son of God humbled Himself and took man's nature after the race had wandered four thousand years from Eden, and from their original state of purity and uprightness. Sin had been making its terrible marks upon the race for ages; and physical, mental, and moral degeneracy prevailed throughout the human family. When Adam was assailed by the tempter in Eden he was without the taint of sin. . . . Christ, in the wilderness of temptation, stood in Adam's place to bear the test he failed to endure.--The Review and Herald, July 28, 1874. {7ABC 448.1}
Avoid every question in relation to the humanity of Christ which is liable to be misunderstood. Truth lies close to the track of presumption. In treating upon the humanity of Christ, you need to guard strenuously every assertion, lest your words be taken to mean more than they imply, and thus you lose or dim the clear perceptions of His humanity as combined with divinity. His birth was a miracle of God. . . . Never, in any way, leave the slightest impression upon human minds that a taint of, or inclination to, corruption rested upon Christ, or that He in any way yielded to corruption. He was tempted in all points like as man is tempted, yet He is called "that holy thing." It is a mystery that is left unexplained to mortals that Christ could be tempted in all points like as we are, and yet be without sin. The incarnation of Christ has ever been, and will ever remain, a mystery. That which is revealed, is for us and for our children, but let every human being be warned from the ground of making Christ altogether human, such an one as ourselves; for it cannot be.--The SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5, pp. 1128, 1129. {7ABC 448.2}
What opposites meet and are revealed in the person of Christ! The mighty God, yet a helpless child! The Creator of all the world, yet, in a world of His creating, often hungry and weary, and without a place to lay His head! The Son of man, yet infinitely higher than the angels! Equal with the Father, yet His divinity clothed with humanity, standing at the head of the fallen race, that human beings might be placed on vantage-ground! Possessing eternal riches, yet living the life of a poor man! One with the Father in dignity and power, yet in His humanity tempted in all points like as we are tempted! In the very moment of His dying agony on the cross, a Conqueror, answering the request of the repentant sinner to be remembered by Him when He came into His kingdom.--The Signs of the Times, April 26, 1905.
(449) {7ABC 448.3}



IV. Assumed Liabilities of Human Nature


The doctrine of the incarnation of Christ in human flesh is a mystery, "even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations." It is the great and profound mystery of Godliness. . . . {7ABC 449.1}
Christ did not make believe take human nature; He did verily take it. He did in reality possess human nature. "As the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same." He was the son of Mary; He was of the seed of David according to human descent.--The Review and Herald, April 5, 1906. {7ABC 449.2}
He came to this world in human form, to live a man amongst men. He assumed the liabilities of human nature, to be proved and tried. In His humanity He was a partaker of the divine nature. In His incarnation He gained in a new sense the title of the Son of God.--The Signs of the Times, Aug. 2, 1905. {7ABC 449.3}
But our Saviour took humanity, with all its liabilities. He took the nature of man, with the possibility of yielding to temptation. We have nothing to bear which He has not endured.-- The Desire of Ages, p. 117. {7ABC 449.4}
Christ bore the sins and infirmities of the race as they existed when He came to the earth to help man. In behalf of the race, with the weaknesses of fallen man upon Him, He was to stand the temptations of Satan upon all points wherewith man would be assailed.--The Review and Herald, July 28, 1874. {7ABC 449.5}
Jesus was in all things made like unto His brethren. He became flesh, even as we are. He was hungry and thirsty and weary. He was sustained by food and refreshed by sleep. He shared the lot of man; yet He was the blameless Son of God. He was God in the flesh. His character is to be ours.--The Desire of Ages, p. 311. {7ABC 449.6}
The human nature of Christ is likened to ours, and suffering was more keenly felt by Him; for His spiritual nature was free from every taint of sin. Therefore His desire for the removal of suffering was stronger than human beings can experience. . . . {7ABC 449.7}
The Son of God endured the wrath of God against sin. All the accumulated sin of the world was laid upon the Sin-bearer, the One who was innocent, the One who alone could be the propitiation for sin, because He Himself was obedient. He was One with God. Not a taint of corruption was upon Him.--The Signs of the Times, Dec. 9, 1897.


(450) {7ABC 449.8}
As one with us, He must bear the burden of our guilt and woe. The Sinless One must feel the shame of sin. . . . Every sin, every discord, every defiling lust that transgression had brought, was torture to His spirit.--The Desire of Ages, p. 111. {7ABC 450.1}
The weight of the sins of the world was pressing His soul, and His countenance expressed unutterable sorrow, a depth of anguish that fallen man had never realized. He felt the overwhelming tide of woe that deluged the world. He realized the strength of indulged appetite and of unholy passion that controlled the world.--The Review and Herald, Aug. 4, 1874. {7ABC 450.2}
Entire justice was done in the atonement. In the place of the sinner, the spotless Son of God received the penalty, and the sinner goes free as long as he receives and holds Christ as his personal Saviour. Though guilty, he is looked upon as innocent. Christ fulfilled every requirement demanded by justice.--The Youth's Instructor, April 25, 1901. {7ABC 450.3}
Guiltless, He bore the punishment of the guilty. Innocent, yet offering Himself as a substitute for the transgressor. The guilt of every sin pressed its weight upon the divine soul of the world's Redeemer.--The Signs of the Times, Dec. 5, 1892. {7ABC 450.4}
He took upon his sinless nature our sinful nature, that He might know how to succor those that are tempted.--Medical Ministry, p. 181. {7ABC 450.5}
V. Tempted on All Points


Christ alone had experience in all the sorrows and temptations that befall human beings. Never another of woman born was so fiercely beset by temptation; never another bore so heavy a burden of the world's sin and pain. Never was there another whose sympathies were so broad or so tender. A sharer in all the experiences of humanity, He could feel not only for, but with, every burdened and tempted and struggling one.--Education, p. 78. {7ABC 450.6}
God was in Christ in human form, and endured all the temptations wherewith man was beset; in our behalf He participated in the suffering and trials of sorrowful human nature.--The Watchman, Dec. 10, 1907. {7ABC 450.7}
He "was in all points tempted like as we are." Satan stood ready to assail Him at every step, hurling at Him his fiercest temptations; yet He "did no sin, neither was guile found in His mouth." "He . . . suffered being tempted," suffered in proportion to the perfection of His holiness. But the prince of darkness found nothing in Him; not a single thought or feeling responded to temptation.--Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 422. {7ABC 450.8}
Would that we could comprehend the significance of the words, "Christ suffered, being tempted." While He was free from the taint of sin, the refined sensibilities of His holy nature rendered contact with evil unspeakably painful to him. Yet with human nature upon Him, He met the arch-apostate face to face, and single-handed withstood the foe of His throne. Not even by a thought could Christ be brought to yield to the power of temptation. Satan finds in human hearts some point where he can gain a foot-hold; some sinful desire is cherished, by means of which his temptations assert their power. But Christ declared of Himself, "The prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me." The storms of temptation burst upon Him, but they could not cause Him to swerve from His allegiance to God.--The Review and Herald, Nov. 8, 1887. {7ABC 451.1}
I perceive that there is danger in approaching subjects which dwell on the humanity of the Son of the infinite God. He did humble Himself when He saw He was in fashion as a man, that He might understand the force of all temptations wherewith man is beset. . . . On not one occasion was there a response to his manifold temptations. Not once did Christ step on Satan's ground, to give him any advantage. Satan found nothing in Him to encourage his advances.--The SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1129. {7ABC 451.2}
Many claim that it was impossible for Christ to be overcome by temptation. Then He could not have been placed in Adam's position; He could not have gained the victory that Adam failed to gain. If we have in any sense a more trying conflict than had Christ, then He would not be able to succor us. But our Saviour took humanity, with all its liabilities. He took the nature of man, with the possibility of yielding to temptation. We have nothing to bear which He has not endured. . . . In man's behalf, Christ conquered by enduring the severest test. For our sake He exercised a self-control stronger than hunger or death.--The Desire of Ages, p. 117. {7ABC 451.3}




VI. Bore the Imputed Sin and Guilt of the World


Christ bore the guilt of the sins of the world. Our sufficiency is found only in the incarnation and death of the Son of God. He could suffer, because sustained by divinity. He could endure,
because He was without one taint of disloyalty or sin.--The Youth's Instructor, Aug. 4, 1898. {7ABC 451.4}

He [Christ] took human nature, and bore the infirmities and degeneracy of the race.--The Review and Herald, July 28, 1874. {7ABC 452.1}
It would have been an almost infinite humiliation for the Son of God to take man's nature, even when Adam stood in his innocence in Eden. But Jesus accepted humanity when the race had been weakened by four thousand years of sin. Like every child of Adam He accepted the results of the working of the great law of heredity. What these results were is shown in the history of His earthly ancestors. He came with such a heredity to share our sorrows and temptations, and to give us the example of a sinless life. {7ABC 452.2}
Satan in heaven had hated Christ for His position in the courts of God. He hated Him the more when he himself was dethroned. He hated Him who pledged Himself to redeem a race of sinners. Yet into the world where Satan claimed dominion God permitted His Son to come, a helpless babe, subject to the weakness of humanity. He permitted Him to meet life's peril in common with every human soul, to fight the battle as every child of humanity must fight it, at the risk of failure and eternal loss.-- The Desire of Ages, p. 49. {7ABC 452.3}
Wondrous combination of man and God! He might have helped His human nature to withstand the inroads of disease by pouring from His divine nature vitality and undecaying vigor to the human. But He humbled Himself to man's nature. . . . God became man!--The Review and Herald, Sept. 4, 1900. {7ABC 452.4}
In our humanity, Christ was to redeem Adam's failure. But when Adam was assailed by the tempter, none of the effects of sin were upon him. He stood in the strength of perfect manhood, possessing the full vigor of mind and body. He was surrounded with the glories of Eden, and was in daily communion with heavenly beings. It was not thus with Jesus when He entered the wilderness to cope with Satan. For four thousand years the race had been decreasing in physical strength, in mental power, and the moral worth; and Christ took upon Him the infirmities of degenerate humanity. Only thus could He rescue man from the lowest depths of his degradation.--The Desire of Ages, p. 117. {7ABC 452.5}
Clad in the vestments of humanity, the Son of God came down to the level of those He wished to save. In Him was no guile or sinfulness; He was ever pure and undefiled; yet He took
upon Him our sinful nature. Clothing His divinity with humanity, that He might associate with fallen humanity, He sought to regain for man that which, by disobedience, Adam had lost for himself and for the world. In His own character He displayed to the world the character of God.--The Review and Herald, Dec. 15, 1896. {7ABC 452.6}

He for our sakes laid aside His royal robe, stepped down from the throne in heaven, and condescended to clothe His divinity with humility, and became like one of us except in sin, that His life and character should be a pattern for all to copy, that they might have the precious gift of eternal life.--The Youth's Instructor, Oct. 20, 1886. {7ABC 453.1}
He was born without a taint of sin, but came into the world in like manner as the human family.--Letter 97, 1898. {7ABC 453.2}
Harmless and undefiled, He walked among the thoughtless, the rude, the uncourteous.--The Desire of Ages, p. 90. {7ABC 453.3}
Christ, who knew not the least taint of sin or defilement, took our nature in its deteriorated condition. This was humiliation greater than finite man can comprehend. God was manifest in the flesh. He humbled Himself. What a subject for thought, for deep, earnest contemplation! So infinitely great that He was the Majesty of heaven, and yet He stooped so low, without losing one atom of His dignity and glory! He stooped to poverty and to the deepest abasement among men.--The Signs of the Times, June 9, 1898. {7ABC 453.4}
Notwithstanding that the sins of a guilty world were laid upon Christ, notwithstanding the humiliation of taking upon himself our fallen nature, the voice from heaven declared Him to be the Son of the Eternal.--The Desire of Ages, p. 112. {7ABC 453.5}
Though He had no taint of sin upon His character, yet He condescended to connect our fallen human nature with His divinity. By thus taking humanity, He honored humanity. Having taken our fallen nature, He showed what it might become, by accepting the ample provision He has made for it, and by becoming partaker of the divine nature.--Special Instruction Relating to the Review and Herald Office, and the Work in Battle Creek, May 26, 1896, p. 13. {7ABC 453.6}
He [Paul] directs the mind first to the position which Christ occupied in heaven, in the bosom of His Father; he reveals Him afterward as laying off His glory, voluntarily subjecting Himself to all the humbling conditions of man's nature, assuming the responsibilities of a servant, and becoming obedient unto death, and that death the most ignominious and revolting, the most shameful, the most agonizing--the death of the cross.-- Testimonies, vol. 4, p. 458. {7ABC 453.7}
The angels prostrated themselves before Him. They offered their lives. Jesus said to them that He would by His death save many, that the life of an angel could not pay the debt. His life alone could be accepted of His Father as a ransom for man. Jesus also told them that they would have a part to act, to be with Him and at different times strengthen Him; that He would take man's fallen nature, and His strength would not be even equal with theirs; that they would be witnesses of His humiliation and great sufferings.--Early Writings, p. 150. {7ABC 454.1}
Amid impurity, Christ maintained His purity. Satan could not stain or corrupt it. His character revealed a perfect hatred for sin. It was His holiness that stirred against Him all the passion of a profligate world; for by His perfect life He threw upon the world a perpetual reproach, and made manifest the contrast between transgression and the pure spotless righteousness of One that knew no sin.--The SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1142. {7ABC 454.2}
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VII. Perfect Sinlessness of Christ's Human Nature


We should have no misgivings in regard to the perfect sinlessness of the human nature of Christ. Our faith must be an intelligent faith, looking unto Jesus in perfect confidence, in full and entire faith in the atoning sacrifice. This is essential that the soul may not be enshrouded in darkness. This holy substitute is able to save to the uttermost; for He presented to the wondering universe perfect and complete humility in His human character, and perfect obedience to all the requirements of God.--The Signs of the Times, June 9, 1898. {7ABC 454.3}
With His human arm, Christ encircled the race, while with His divine arm, He grasped the throne of the Infinite, uniting finite man with the infinite God. He bridged the gulf that sin had made, and connected earth with heaven. In His human nature He maintained the purity of His divine character.--The Youth's Instructor, June 2, 1898. {7ABC 454.4}
He was unsullied with corruption, a stranger to sin; yet He prayed, and that often with strong crying and tears. He prayed for His disciples and for Himself, thus identifying Himself with our needs, our weaknesses, and our failings, which are so common with humanity. He was a mighty petitioner, not possessing the passions of our human, fallen natures, but compassed with like infirmities, tempted in all points like as we are. Jesus endured agony which required help and support from His Father.-- Testimonies, vol. 2, p. 508. {7ABC 454.5}
He is a brother in our infirmities, but not in possessing like passions. As the sinless One, His nature recoiled from evil. He endured struggles and torture of soul in a world of sin. His humanity made prayer a necessity and privilege. He required all the stronger divine support and comfort which His Father was ready to impart to Him, to Him who had, for the benefit of man, left the joys of heaven and chosen His home in a cold and thankless world.--Ibid., p. 202. {7ABC 455.1}
His doctrine dropped as the rain; His speech distilled as the dew. In the character of Christ was blended such majesty as God had never before displayed to fallen man, and such meekness as man had never developed. Never before had there walked among men one so noble, so pure, so benevolent, so conscious of His godlike nature; yet so simple, so full of plans and purposes to do good to humanity. While abhorring sin, He wept with compassion over the sinner. He pleased not Himself. The majesty of heaven clothed Himself with the humility of a child. This is the character of Christ.--Ibid., vol. 5, p. 422. {7ABC 455.2}
The life of Jesus was a life in harmony with God. While He was a child, He thought and spoke as a child; but no trace of sin marred the image of God within Him. Yet He was not exempt from temptation. . . . Jesus was placed where His character would be tested. It was necessary for Him to be constantly on guard in order to preserve His purity. He was subject to all the conflicts which we have to meet, that He might be an example to us in childhood, youth, and manhood.--The Desire of Ages, p. 71. {7ABC 455.3}
In taking upon Himself man's nature in its fallen condition, Christ did not in the least participate in its sin. He was subject to the infirmities and weaknesses by which man is encompassed, "that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses." He was touched with the feeling of our infirmities, and was in all points tempted like as we are. And yet He "knew no sin." He was the Lamb "without blemish and without spot." . . . We should have no misgivings in regard to the perfect sinlessness of the human nature of Christ.--The Signs of the Times, June 9, 1898.


(456) {7ABC 455.4}
Christ alone could open the way, by making an offering equal to the demands of the divine law. He was perfect, and undefiled by sin. He was without spot or blemish. The extent of the terrible consequences of sin could never have been known, had not the remedy provided been of infinite value. The salvation of fallen man was procured at such an immense cost that angels marveled, and could not fully comprehend the divine mystery that the Majesty of Heaven, equal with God, should die for the rebellious race.--The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 2, pp. 11, 12. {7ABC 456.1}
Thus it is with the leprosy of sin,--deep-rooted, deadly, and impossible to be cleansed by human power. "The whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrefying sores." Isa. 1:5, 6. But Jesus, coming to dwell in humanity, receives no pollution. His presence has healing virtue for the sinner.--The Desire of Ages, p. 266. {7ABC 456.2}
Jesus looked for a moment upon the scene,--the trembling victim in her shame, the hard-faced dignitaries, devoid of even human pity. His spirit of stainless purity shrank from the spectacle. Well He knew for what purpose this case had been brought to Him. He read the heart, and knew the character and life history of everyone in His presence. . . . The accusers had been defeated. Now, their robe of pretended holiness torn from them, they stood, guilty and condemned, in the presence of Infinite Purity.--Ibid., p. 461. {7ABC 456.3}



VIII. Christ Retains Human Nature Forever


In stooping to take upon Himself humanity, Christ revealed a character the opposite of the character of Satan. . . . In taking our nature, the Saviour has bound Himself to humanity by a tie that is never to be broken. Through the eternal ages He is linked with us. "God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son." John 3:16. He gave Him not only to bear our sins, and to die as our sacrifice; He gave Him to the fallen race. To assure us of His immutable counsel of peace, God gave His only-begotten Son to become one of the human family, forever to retain His human nature. This is the pledge that God will fulfill His word. "Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder." God has adopted human nature in the person of His Son, and has carried the same into the highest heaven.--Ibid., p. 25. {7ABC 456.4}
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