Personal attack, not related to the topic.

You are quick to report others, but you indulge in it yourself. I will report you.

Teresaq,
We can do without the jabs..



Lets try and keep the gloves up.

God Bless,
-Will

I don't see this as being one or the other

The lost will experience unutterable emotional woe as the truth of their decisions becomes starkly plain
AND
there will be a fire that will cleanse the earth of all sin and sinners and remove all trace sin.

Rev. 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


" beyond this life stands the tribunal of the judgment, with its award of eternal penalties. "They which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God," but with Satan and evil angels shall have their part in that "lake of fire" which "is the second death." Galatians 5:21; Revelation 20:14. {PP 461.1}

"God will cleanse the earth from its moral corruption, not by a sea of water as in Noah's day, but by a sea of fire that cannot be quenched by any human devising. {COL 179.1}

Mal. 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of...the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up....12 wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


"When the flood of waters was at its height upon the earth, it had the appearance of a boundless lake of water. When God finally purifies the earth, it will appear like a boundless lake of fire. As God preserved the ark amid the commotions of the Flood, because it contained eight righteous persons, He will preserve the New Jerusalem, containing the faithful of all ages, from righteous Abel down to the last saint which lived. Although the whole earth, with the exception of that portion where the city rests, will be wrapped in a sea of liquid fire, yet the city is preserved as was the ark, by a miracle of Almighty power. It stands unharmed amid the devouring elements (3SG 87). {7BC 986.5}

Yes, Smith put it like we used to and do still believe it to be, asygo and Teresa and Tom. I like your points, asygo and Teresa; clearly, Tom, you may well differ with us. Punishment is part of judgement and God shall render according to our works.

If one wants to decipher what we no longer 'like' of Smith, compare the revision of at least 1944 with the last original of 1902. The 1911 and 1919, British, editions aren't as decisive as the 1944 revision.

I don't think you understood the point. I'll try to be more clear.

Here is a description of the eternal torment idea:



Is the only difference between the truth and the description presented here the time element? Or are the elements of cruelty in the eternal torment idea which are not simply due to the duration that the wicked will be tortured?



This is what is being questioned. Your view, as I understand it, is just as cruel as the eternal torment view, except for the time element. So the depictions of GC 534, 535 would apply as much to the idea you're presenting, if I'm understanding it correctly, as to the eternal torment idea, except for the tortures being of limited duration.



For example, here. Are you suggesting that the bodies of the wicked will be burning? And while they are burning, God will be punishing them with something so much worse that the burning will be a trifle? If so, it's difficult to imagine a picture of God's character more cruel than this. I sincerely hope I've misunderstood you.

I'm confused regarding this post. First of all, I believe God will punish the wicked, and will render to each one according to their works. You seem to be confused in regards to my position on these points, based on your comment ("Punishment is part" etc., following your comment that I differ).

Secondly, just what is it you think teresa, I, and Arnold believe? A specific point of interest to me is if you (or anyone) thinks the wicked will be literal set on fire, and be suffering for many hours or many days in this condition.

sometimes im busy with other things (in a hurry) or distracted and dont always catch every point of a post hence my comment. so im clueless as to why it was perceived as any kind of personal attack or jab.

Teresaq,
Its perceived as a jab cause you make the person sound like they are dense, thick headed, not smart.
You yourself just said:


Back to the topic at hand. I don't want to read another comment about he said she said.

Please return to the topic if you choose to participate. If not thats fine too.

God Bless,
Will

smith is teaching against the "degrees of suffering in burning" in favor of "degrees in mental suffering".

in combating the eternal torment doctrine the pioneers stressed that eternal death was the penalty of sin, not prolonged burning.

is that what you understand from their writings or are you referring to something else?

Yes, she clearly, elsewhere, writes of the proportionate punishment according to their works of the wicked, some burning longer or suffering more than others, the devil the last to die: indeed, mental anguish shall outweigh physical suffering, and for a limited time, per God's just discretion in judgement. Real fire, burned to ashes, and the new earth recreated out of those ashes, as Malachi also states somewhere of the saints walking on the ashes of the wicked.