Tom,

I quoted your full sentence the first time. Here it is again. In quotes.

"Secondly, we're told that some will suffer for up to many days."

Who told us that "some will suffer for up to many days."

I'm having difficulty understanding why you think I need to include more context, when that was as much as I perceived you to be quoting from an external source. Your next sentence, which I also included (but of course, as you said, you wrote the post, so it seems you should know the context anyway), I judged to be your own words.

Why should I have to fabricate context to get you to answer me on this? Where is there the additional context, when it was not in the original statement, that I am supposed to produce in order to get you to answer?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

You quoted this:



And asked, "Who told us this?"

And what you mean was "Who said some will suffer for up to many days." I didn't quote it since it is such a well known statement.

I thought you were asking who said the thing you quoted.

Ellen White said the part you're asking about.

The more wicked, the longer they suffer. That means more sin -> more life (at least a few days' worth). Conversely, less sin -> less life.

Either sin and life go hand in hand, or there is something/Someone making the more wicked sinners live and suffer longer. And this "many days" of suffering is in distinct contrast to the many years of peaceful death the wicked were enjoying just prior to this.

Still waiting for a response to my last couple of posts.

So here is what you have said:

1. Ellen White told us that "Some are destroyed as in a moment, while others suffer many days."
2. "That wouldn't be possible, unless God supernaturally took action to enable this fire to only cause pain, without killing the victim."

It seems to me that either you have answered your own question, or else you are saying that you don't agree with what Mrs. White wrote. In light of the number of times you have expounded on the "days" of suffering equaling "torture," I'm beginning to incline to the perception that you are objecting to Mrs. White. I would be happy to hear otherwise.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Arnold,

I think Tom said he was going to have to ask Ty about these things.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Well, you know this pain of sin you're referring. What do you think? Would you prefer life as you know it, with this pain of sin, or to be presently set on fire?

I think there's only one post I hadn't responded to, which I just did above this one.

The wicked were enjoying anything when they were dead. "The dead know nothing." The judgment occurs with everyone together, so the dead are unconscious until the resurrection.

The suffering that sin causes in the judgment occurs as the sin of the wicked is revealed to them, according to the light they have had. The more sin revealed to them, the more suffering. It's not an arbitrarily imposed suffering, but a suffering which is the direct consequence of their sin, in conjunction with the light they've had.

GC, you're misrepresenting what I said, probably because you didn't understand me. I'll repeat what I said, and perhaps my explanation will be clearer this time around:



When I said, "That wouldn't be possible, unless God supernaturally took action to enable this fire to only cause pain, without killing the victim." this is in reference to the arbitrarily inflicted punishment of being set on fire, not to what I believe is actually the case, which is that the disproportionate punishment is a natural consequence of the sin the wicked have committed.

For you to allege I have a problem with Ellen White because of something I wrote which you took out of context is unfair. I could just as easily say you have a problem with what she wrote, since, as far as I can tell, you don't allow for whole passages of many paragraphs, including GC 535-536,641-643;DA 764;DA 107-108. Rather than making these personal comments, I think it would be preferable to simple discuss the issues at hand, and do so accurately quoting and representing the position of those with whom we disagree.

Tom,

You have always protested any kind of prolonged punishment for the wicked, prolonged "suffering," as being a form of torture. I have yet to hear you acknowledge any form of real/actual suffering as being non-torturous. Without this missing puzzle piece, you make it appear that Ellen White must have been mistaken.

That's where I'm coming from. If you want to help me see your side, I need to see the missing puzzle piece.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.