Many come and say well Jesus went to a wedding and had wine, so what would be your answer to someone who told you this?

The meaning to the Greek word "oinos" #3631 does not specify that it is fermented. The word "wine" didn't always mean that it was of the fermented nature as it does today. Meaning Welch's concord grape juice and a bottle of red wine are both forms of "wine", one is fermented the other is not.

Though scripture doesn't seemingly forbid the consumption of fermented wine, It most certainly prohibits drunkeness. With what is known today of the destructive effects of alcohol, why would anyone intentionally defile the temple of God with such filth? It destroys the one part of man that preserves what Christ seeks to save.

Destroy the frontal lobe, and all of the mental processes that govern our moral behavior ceases to exist. Without it, we may as well be intellegent animals with no moral compass. Unsafe to save.

I would say they need to read John chapter two carefully.

1) No part of the text tells us that Jesus drank wine at the wedding (not even the wine He miraculously provided). So there is no proof to support that Jesus drank it. (He may have, and this may not be an essential point either way, but it is simply not provable.)
2) The text clearly indicates that Jesus made grape juice by miracle--from pure water.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Then again, Jesus told His disiples at the passover before His death; "I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom." It would be pointless to tell someone one will cease to do something one has never done. And even more strange for such a statement to be recorded.

I like that quote, "I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom."

I've never heard of anyone in the present day ever refer to drinking fermented wine as drinking from the "fruit of the vine". Chemicaly, fermented wine is significanty different from the juice directly sourced from grapes.

I think vaster has evidenced an execellent proof.

Vaster,

That is true. However, I did not say Jesus never drank grape juice. That He would have chosen not to drink fermented wine is evident in His refusal to drink similar substances on the cross.

The story in John chapter 2 makes clear that Jesus provided the freshest and best quality juice to be had at the wedding. In order to have ample quantities, the wedding had doubtless served some of the fermented variety prior. This, however, is the kind that Jesus would not have been drinking, and I find no evidence in that text that He did drink any of the wine at the wedding.

Where we see Jesus drinking wine is at the last supper. Grape juice. It would make no sense for Him to represent His blood via alcohol. He was and is pure. He is the source of life, not the emblem of death. During the Passover, when the children of Israel ate the lamb's flesh, representing Jesus just as the bread at the communion service does, they were asked not to even have any yeast inside their homes for the entire week. The bread of communion is also unleavened. The leaven represented sin. It is also used to brew alcoholic beverages. This is why we speak of "Brewer's yeast." Thus, God instructed them to remove all such representations of sin from this holy service.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

What happened on the cross really isn't good proof of this since it was after Jesus had already stated He would not drink wine again until together with us in the Kingdom. Actually, what the text says is: "And he said to him, “Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!" The comment is on the quality of the wine. It does not say nor suggest that it would be different from the previous wine in any other regard than being of a higher quality. (Other than its origins then.) It is true that the text does not say that Jesus drank anything, nor that He ate anything. It also does not say that He insulted the host couple. As I think you are more aware than I, in many cultures it is insulting to be invited to a table and not eat anything. Also, avoiding to be captain obvious, you wouldn't write that someone ate food and drank wine at a wedding feast (unless you were writing a novel or movie script maybe). Not eating or drinking at a wedding party would be quite unusual and unexpected and would therefore be more likely commented upon. We see Jesus partaking the passover table. So, what would appear on a first century passover table? Wine or grape juice? Again, there is no reason to believe the table of Jesus and His disciples stood out from the ordinary in any other way than what the gospel authors mention.

vaster, why are you trying to push that Christ advocates drinking alcohol? Do you drink such things and why or why not?

If I am pushing something, Id like to think it is honesty towards the text.

Still didn't anwer my question.