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Re: A New Creationist Cosmological Model "The First Flash" [Re: JCS] #126057
06/25/10 11:57 PM
06/25/10 11:57 PM
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I did find a rarely mentioned theory explaining how the light of galaxies could disappear instead of simply red shifting.
(please refer to pages 181-184)

http://books.google.com/books?id=jL9reHG...alaxies&f=false

It's very difficult to find Hoyle's theory on the internet for some "unknown reason."

Last edited by Daryl F; 06/26/10 12:47 AM. Reason: Edited to make the link clickable
Re: A New Creationist Cosmological Model "The First Flash" [Re: JCS] #126110
06/28/10 05:51 PM
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JCS, looking at those links have almost convinced me you might be onto something. I had no idea there was an issue with light disappearing and quite fascinating reading about how they're trying to make the models fit. Maybe I'm biased from reading your ideas, but some parts look more blatant than trying to fit evolution into assumed ideas. I must say, it does lend support to your idea that the whole universe was created at creation, but I am not convinced yet. Just that the light may not be the same type of light we currently see, and if it was, it may not be billions and billions of years old.

Re: A New Creationist Cosmological Model "The First Flash" [Re: kland] #126128
06/28/10 09:41 PM
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I must say, it does lend support to your idea that the whole universe was created at creation, but I am not convinced yet.


I know that the way I've presented my model makes it seem like my stance is that everything was created on the week of creation, but I actually believe that only our visible universe was created at that time. Purely speculating, I'd say that our visible universe only accounts for 1/infinity of the total universe.

I've been carrying on some interesting discussions on an Islamic physics forum called "Speed of Light" hoping I may be able to successfully witness the gospel to someone who is earnestly searching for the truth.

http://www.speed-light.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=46

http://www.speed-light.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=20

Last edited by JCS; 06/28/10 09:47 PM.
Re: A New Creationist Cosmological Model "The First Flash" [Re: JCS] #126168
07/01/10 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted By: listed links

Okay, we have our linear time measurement in days. Now, let's look at my interpreted equation from 2 Peter 3:8.

(# of days times 365,250) times (# of days/365,250)="resultant time"= (# of days)^2

[and]

Thus [(number of light days in years since creation* 365,250) * (number of light days in years since creation/365,250)] * 365.25 = resultant distance to the light horizon in light years.

[and]

(linear space * curved space)/(linear time * curved time)= resultant time-space


I'm trying to understand how you came to your formula.

I'll assume there's a reason to multiply the days in the first part, and maybe multiply that by the second part, but why divide the days? I probably don't have the knowledge here, but even when you listed the
(day * 1000 years) * (day/1000 years)= day^2
and
If A/B=C, then C * B/A = 1

it struck me as if you were defining 1. Which, I agree is useful, but how did you come to the formula?

Which maybe it should be:
(day / 1000 years) * (1000 years / day)

Re: A New Creationist Cosmological Model "The First Flash" [Re: kland] #126169
07/01/10 02:40 PM
07/01/10 02:40 PM
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Well, first I was inspired with the idea that time and space operate together like a slide ruler as a possible explanation to the distant starlight problem. After coming up with this idea I searched the internet and found a cosmological model called "Simply Relativity" that actually does this but still lacked the time-space ratio. With faith, I found what I thought to be the equation in 2 Peter 3:8 and feverishly worked to decrypt it.

Quote:
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2Peter 3:8


Notice that this entire chapter relates to how God created the universe. This is not an easy message to make sense out of. Rather than explaining everything about how I figured this equation out, I'm going to cut to the chase.

To be with the Lord would be where he is. I used the WMAP time measurement of the light horizon for this. In 2008 that measurement was 13.73 billion years. In days that is 5.0148825 x 10^12.

The equation is:

(time in days times the number of days in 1000 years)times (the number of days in 1000 years dividing time in days)= time in days with the Lord

or:

(2,239,393.333 days * 365,250)*(2,239,393.333 days/365,250)= 5.0148825 x 10^12 days

5.0148825 x 10^12 days is 2,239,393.333 days squared.

Divide 5.0148825 x 10^12 days by 365.25 and you have 13,730,000,000 resultant years. (the time measurement of WMAP for 2008)

If you divide the 2,239,393.333 days by 365.25 you get 6131.124791 years, the time since creation according to Martin Anstey.

Why does this work, and what is really going on? The time in days is linear time. Time with the Lord is linear time squared. There are, as a result, to forms of days, and two forms of years. (linear and squared) Linear days divided by 365.25, gives you your value in linear years.

Linear days squared equals squared days. Divide this value by 365.25 and you get squared years. Seems strange at first, but this is basic math.

Now the why behind this entire mess. Look at the energy equation. E=mc^2. The speed of light is Relativity's yardstick for time-space. Notice that energy in relation to matter, our yardstick is squared. Now look at the equation for gravitational acceleration. Distance/time * time. What I discovered is that it's (linear space/ linear time) * curved time. Einstein himself describes masses effect on time-space as curvature.

The complete equation is actually (linear space/ linear time) * (curved space/ curved time). I've recently confirmed this equation to exist in the red shift equation, used to calculate the the WMAP measurements. Using Wolfram Alpha, I simplified the redshift equation to:

Speed of light * [(observed wavelength - rest wavelength)/(Hubble constant * rest wavelength)]= distance

Re: A New Creationist Cosmological Model "The First Flash" [Re: JCS] #126180
07/03/10 02:01 AM
07/03/10 02:01 AM
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Just found an excellent site that clearly explains a great deal of theoretical physics. One should of course read such material with great caution, knowing that it is heavily corrupted by man's false assumptions in regard to the true origin of the universe. Some of the key information on this site discusses naked singularites and the Kerr Newman metric.

http://universe-review.ca/R15-17-relativity.htm

Re: A New Creationist Cosmological Model "The First Flash" [Re: JCS] #126200
07/04/10 07:01 PM
07/04/10 07:01 PM
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As per request, I've compiled the physical evidence for the First Flash model without use of Ellen White's writings or scripture. This way, science can be used to sway souls receptive to physical facts back to scripture.

Quote:
How old is the universe?

Before jumping to conclusions, let's consider a few facts. Light's speed is derived by (distance/time) =speed, and this speed is a constant. Because of this, the speed of light is used in Special Relativity as a yardstick for space-time. In General Relativity, mass creates space-time curvature also known as gravitation. Gravitational acceleration is basically (distance/time) x time. The energy equation reveals how total energy, total rest mass, and the speed of light fit together as E=mc^2.The quantity of mass (source of space-time curvature) is multiplied by c^2 (the speed of light squared), equaling the total energy. C^2 is (distance/time) x (distance/time). But why is c squared in the energy equation? Look back at the equation for gravitational acceleration. It defines acceleration of speed from curvature, therefore it's actually (distance/time) x curved time. According to Relativity Theory, space and time are not separate. If there is curved time, curved space must also be present. This changes the equation to (distance/time) x (curved distance/curved time)= (resultant distance/resultant time). From this point on, we will refer to this as "The Equation". When the speed of light is combined with the effects of curvature caused from mass, c^2 is the result. This means that the effects of curvature must also equal c. C^2=(distance/time) x (curved distance/curved time).

What do we use to measure the speed of this curved space-time relative to Earth and what about the constant speed of light itself? Earth's daily rotation is our local source for measuring the speed of space-time curvature. To understand the "speed of light", consider the Archimedean spiral (also called a arithmetic spiral) in which equal linear and curved motions are combined. The resulting spiral has a constant value between each cycle. This constant is where the measured "speed of light comes from. We calculate light's speed by dividing the distance between two points with the time light travels between them. But light actually travels in a spiral path as it cycles from an electric to magnetic field. Therefore this method of measuring light's actual speed through space fails.

To measure long distances, the red shift equation is used. This equation in simplified form is c x [(observed wavelength-rest wavelength)/(Hubble's constant x rest wavelength)]= distance. Comparing this to "The Equation", (observed wavelength-rest wavelength)/(Hubble's constant x rest wavelength) =(curved distance/curved time). Notice that the red shift equation as shown, really is a variation of "The Equation." Considering this, the distance is actually a resultant distance divided by resultant time. When calculating the age of the universe, WMAP uses the red shift equation meaning that their results are resultant time, instead of normal linear time. The WMAP measurements for the age of the visible universe are as follows:

2003 | 13,690,000,000 years plus or minus 120,000,000 years
2008 | 13,730,000,000 years plus or minus 120,000,000 years
2010 | 13,750,000,000 years plus or minus 120,000,000 years

The method to convert resultant years to normal linear years works like this:

resultant years x 365.25= resultant days, the square root of resultant days = linear days, linear days/365.25= linear years

Using "The Equation", WMAP's measurements convert to the following calculated year of the universe's creation:

2003 | (using 13,710,000,000 resultant years) = 4124 BC
2008 | (using 13,730,000,000 resultant years) = 4124 BC
2010 | (using 13,740,000,000 resultant years) = 4124 BC

However, "The Equation" also predicts that light, observed on Earth from an object (originating from Earth) that has traveled the distance of a light day, will blue shift. This prediction conflicts with science's present day understanding of how blue shift occurs. None the less, this phenomenon is actually observed by astronomers and has been coined as the "Pioneer Anomaly." On October 8, 2005, the space probe Pioneer 10 exceeded a light day's distance from Earth.

In an attempt to prove or disprove "The Equation," a test should be performed on it's prediction that time's rate is observed to slow down with distance. The timed properties of nova could be used to gage this effect on time. The average distance of nearby nova in super clusters like Hydra, Pavo-Indus, Perseus-Pisces, Coma, and Hercules is 360,000,000 light years. The most distant nova observed, occur 1,000,000,000 light years away in super clusters like Horologium and Corona Borealis. Comparing nova from these two distances, a 60% temporal dilation rate would occur according to "The Equation's" calculations. Cosmological studies confirm this dilation rate to be true but is regarded as another strange "anomaly of nature."

Based on the facts, it would seem obvious that the visible universe was indeed created in the year 4124 BC.

Re: A New Creationist Cosmological Model "The First Flash" [Re: JCS] #126213
07/05/10 02:58 PM
07/05/10 02:58 PM
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Just found this scientific journal. (wish I could read it all)
The premise that time and the speed of light are directly effected by the rate of rotation of a turning platform is at the heart of my First Flash model.

Quote:
Time on a rotating platform

Abstract Traditional clock synchronisation on a rotating platform is shown to be incompatible with the experimentally established transformation of time. The latter transformation leads directly to solve this problem through noninvariant one-way speed of light. The conventionality of some features of relativity theory allows full compatibility with existing experimental evidence.


http://www.springerlink.com/content/1352972752160576/

For those who deeply argued in opposition to my equation, this is just another solid proof in my own favor. After looking at this site carefully, I found a key word "Sagnac effect" and looked it up.

"The Sagnac effect is the electromagnetic counterpart of the mechanics of rotation."

This is some VERY interesting stuff here. I do not know why I've never heard of this effect before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagnac_effect

Last edited by JCS; 07/05/10 04:28 PM.
Re: A New Creationist Cosmological Model "The First Flash" [Re: JCS] #126220
07/05/10 07:34 PM
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How do you know it is solid proof of your thesis when you can only read the abstract?


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: A New Creationist Cosmological Model "The First Flash" [Re: vastergotland] #126246
07/07/10 12:26 AM
07/07/10 12:26 AM
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You are quite right. I'll rephrase that.

This is a potential solid proof.

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