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Re: Investigative Judgment
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03/29/05 03:10 PM
03/29/05 03:10 PM
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quote: This began in 1844. The dead in Christ Jesus were judged first and then the living began. The blotting out of sins is also referred to as the sealing of God's people.
Cheri, a closer look at this doctrine makes it clear that the IJ of the living hasn't begun yet. And, the blotting out of the record and memory of specific sins and the latter rain and the sealing are all separate aspects of end time events. They are not one and the same thing. This distinction is quite important.
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Re: Investigative Judgment
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03/30/05 04:01 AM
03/30/05 04:01 AM
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Thomas,
I see the quotes that I used are directly to the point. Maybe because Israel of old was mentioned, you do not think it applies now....We are the modern israel by adoption. Spiritual Israel the saints are called and the typical cleansing of the santuary [blotting out of sins] meets antitypical when the heavenly sanctuary is also cleansed. This cannot take place until the end of the investigative Judgement and the close of probation just before Jesus comes.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Also--- I read "the times of refreshing" are the same as "the Latter rain"...according to the Biblw and the SOP. When I use the SOP that is full of Bible texts...I feel I have served both references.
God Bless
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Re: Investigative Judgment
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03/29/05 05:07 PM
03/29/05 05:07 PM
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Greetings Brother Mike, I see that I have lacked putting in one word on my sentence, perhaps this will help. I said: quote: The blotting out of sins is also referred to as the sealing of God's people.
I should have said:
The blotting out of sins is also refered to as the sealing message of God's people.
Sorry for the error.
Tell me, what have you all thought about Brother WC White's letter?
Thank you, Sister Cheri
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Re: Investigative Judgment
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03/29/05 08:51 PM
03/29/05 08:51 PM
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SR 378 As the sins of the people were anciently transferred, in figure, to the earthly sanctuary by the blood of the sin offering, so our sins are, in fact, transferred to the heavenly sanctuary by the blood of Christ. And as the typical cleansing of the earthly was accomplished by the removal of the sins by which it had been polluted, so the actual cleansing of the heavenly is to be accomplished by the removal, or blotting out, of the sins which are there recorded. This necessitates an examination of the books of record to determine who, through repentance of sin and faith in Christ, are entitled to the benefits of His atonement. The cleansing of the sanctuary therefore involves a work of investigative judgment. This work must be performed prior to the coming of Christ to redeem His people, for when He comes, His reward is with Him to give to every man according to his works. (Rev. 22:12.) {SR 378.2}
According the Life Sketches, chapter 16 (XVI), pages 116-119 the "sealing message" embraces all three of the 3AMs, not just the first angels message regarding the blotting out of sins during the IJ. The sealing that happens when the angel seals saints with the writers inkhorn takes place during the MOB crisis, and happens after their record and memory of specific sins are blotted out. The latter rain and loud cry is the result of these numbered and sealed saints boldly proclaiming the 3AMs during the little time of trouble before probation closes. As their numbers swell the message swells to a loud cry.
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Re: Investigative Judgment
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03/29/05 11:23 PM
03/29/05 11:23 PM
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Zec 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? Zec 3:3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. Zec 3:4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. Zec 3:5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD stood by. Zec 3:6 And the angel of the LORD protested unto Joshua, saying, Zec 3:7 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.
This portrays beautifully the issues at stake.
Joshua had a righteousness which was filthy (sinful). This righteousness was in his mind and heart. It was not just history. He was still wearing that filthy garment. The Lord is there about the business of Salvation, Satan is there to resist the Lord.
The change of Garment represents the Lord imparting to us his righteousness and taking away ours. This is not just a wiping out of history. This is an exchange of heart and mind. This is the Lord imparting to Joshua his judgments and thoughts and spirit. Joshua gives up his garment and receives Christ’s. Garment represents righteousness; not in the form of history; but rather in the form of what we live and judge by.
How does Satan resist the Lord, in the process of exchange of our garment - even our righteousness? Chiefly through our heart and mind; by accusations, by misrepresentations of God’s character; by misrepresentations of God’s justice; by misrepresentations of what God is going to do to us; by discouraging us in thinking we are too sinful-God will not receive us; by temptations and doubt; but mostly by trying to scare us from trusting our savior enough to let him take away our filthy garment and give us his glorious one.
This is being done to the living and the living only. It is happening now and it is happening all around you.
Shalom
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Re: Investigative Judgment
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03/29/05 11:26 PM
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Have we successfully taken information that was supposed to rouse the living to cease from self and let God into their life, to a point where the doctrine has ensured that Christ is doing nothing for the living now?
Is Christ ministering anything to the living today, while he is in the MHP?
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Re: Investigative Judgment
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03/30/05 12:15 AM
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John B., once again your ideas and insights contradict the SOP. Please read 5T 472-476 and you will readily see what I mean. What she wrote about Joshua and the Angel is very much different than what you posted here.
For example, it is too late to exhange our filthy rags for Christ's robe of righteousness when our name comes up during the investigative judgment. If we haven't already made the exchange before then we are eernally lost. Jesus will blot out our names, rather than our sins.
Your thoughts regarding the exchange are valid IF we apply them to the proper time and event. The IJ is not the time to make the exchange. The IJ is the time when Jesus determines whether or not the exchange was made. Our thoughts, words, motives, and behaviour - our character - is the evidence that stands for or against us in judgment. We are judged according to our words and works. By their fruits ye shall them.
Ecclesiastes 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.
Romans 14:10 For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad.
Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
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Re: Investigative Judgment
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03/30/05 12:39 AM
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quote: John B., once again your ideas and insights contradict the SOP.
Mike, please just present your ideas without the pontifications. If you disagree with something, fine, but please use some tact. For example, "John B, the thoughts you are presenting do not appear to me to be in harmony with the Spirit of Prophesy presents."
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Re: Investigative Judgment
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03/30/05 01:10 AM
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Re: Investigative Judgment
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03/30/05 03:37 AM
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quote: For example, it is too late to exchange our filthy rags for Christ's robe of righteousness when our name comes up during the investigative judgment. If we haven't already made the exchange before then we are eternally lost. Jesus will blot out our names, rather than our sins.
Your thoughts regarding the exchange are valid IF we apply them to the proper time and event. The IJ is not the time to make the exchange. The IJ is the time when Jesus determines whether or not the exchange was made. Our thoughts, words, motives, and behaviour - our character - is the evidence that stands for or against us in judgment. We are judged according to our words and works. By their fruits ye shall them.
Precisely my point Mike, You see the IJ is going on. You and I are living and have come into existence while it is going on. When will you exchange your garment, if not now? When will you let Christ impart to you his judgments and his righteousness, if not now? For if you wait till your name comes up, it is too late! There is a wonderful work of Salvation that Christ is ministering from the MHP.
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