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Re: Christian Living & Alcohol [Re: vastergotland] #130041
01/08/11 07:19 PM
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No, but it could apply to Deut. 14.
In relation to Num. 28, I haven't studied the text, but we know that leaven represents sin (1 Cor. 5:7, 8). It's interesting to note that the word translated as "strong drink" here is shekar, a term usually employed to describe strong drink other than wine. This is interesting, because the fruit of the vine represents Christ's spotless blood, so fermentation would have spoiled the symbolism.

Re: Christian Living & Alcohol [Re: Rosangela] #130055
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Numbers 28:7 MKJV and its drink offering shall be the fourth of a hin for the one lamb. Pour a drink offering of strong drink to Jehovah in the holy place.

The "strong drink" used here, according to what I gleaned from the SDA Bible Commentary, says "Many commentators would insist that in this instance shekar must refer to the noblest and best wine. The Jewish commentators, by and large, speak of this instance of the use of shekar as excluding wine diluted with water, or as newly pressed wine."

Based on the above quote in the SDA Bible Commentary, this newly pressed wine wouldn't be fermented wine.


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Re: Christian Living & Alcohol [Re: JAK] #130094
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Originally Posted By: JAK
kland, your bouncing all over the place. Try to focus. Scripture does not prohibit alcohol; why do we?

Actually, not. Scripture does not prohibit smoking among other things; why do we?

But if you think that is not focused enough, I had asked:

But a bigger question is, is there any benefit to drinking alcohol? There is much information about its harm.

Should we consume something which is harmful?

Re: Christian Living & Alcohol [Re: kland] #130096
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kland, another question is, if a benefit to drinking alcohol can be shown, would you believe the evidence?


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Christian Living & Alcohol [Re: vastergotland] #130109
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Evidence? Believe what evidence of what?

What I'm saying, if there is a benefit to drinking alcohol, then it is worth arguing/considering if one should do it contrary to what the Bible says and contrary to the harm which is done from consuming it.

Re: Christian Living & Alcohol [Re: kland] #130113
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And I was saying that for your post here to have any value, you must be willing to follow the evidence whereever it leads you, even if it contradicts something you have previously accepted as true.


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21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Christian Living & Alcohol [Re: vastergotland] #130123
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So far no one has established that drinking is contrary to the Bible.

One can make a case against drinking from a health perspective, but not from a Judeo-Christian religious perspective, and it is certainly not a sin.


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Christian Living & Alcohol [Re: JAK] #130133
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So far no one has given any benefit from drinking alcohol.

And if it's not healthy, is partaking of things which aren't healthy, sin? As I asked before, is smoking sin? Shall we destroy our temple and it not be sin?

Is there anything you would say is sin?

Re: Christian Living & Alcohol [Re: kland] #130135
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Vaster, Ellen White says that there are at least appear to be short term benefits from taking drugs. One could then argue that under certain circumstances one should use drugs. But, if there are no benefits from taking drugs, you couldn't ever argue that. Some say taking shark cartilage gives benefits. Therefore, one could argue the they should take it. However, if there are no benefits and only harm, could they argue they should take it?

She also says that all drugs are harmful in spite of their short term appearing benefits. I don't do drugs whether it's alcohol, smoking, medical, or otherwise.

Now, if I had an accident, I would do drugs at a minimal amount knowing full well they were harmful, but the benefit of recovering would outweigh it. Therefore, I could argue there are certain rare cases where it's ok to take drugs even if they are harmful. Those promoting vaccines would likewise say the same excepting that is a non-emergency supposed benefit from some supposed future anticipated event. Similarly, I would not take any poison for cancer treatments.

Re: Christian Living & Alcohol [Re: kland] #130137
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Originally Posted By: kland
So far no one has given any benefit from drinking alcohol.


If you take the time to google “benefits of drinking alcohol” you will find “The benefits of alcohol consumption have long been known. The Bible refers to alcohol's medicinal properties no less than 191 times. Alcohol is beneficial in controlling the following conditions: hypertension or high blood pressure, peripheral artery disease, angina pectoris, liver disease, hepatitis A, pancreatic cancer, duodenal ulcer, gallstones, kidney stones, digestive ailments, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, osteoporosis, bone fractures, hearing loss, macular degeneration, poor cognition and memory, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, stress and depression, and erectile dysfunction.”
http://ezinearticles.com/?Health-Benefits-of-Drinking-Alcohol&id=2224007

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Shall we destroy our temple and it not be sin?


Unfortunately the texts used to support this are misapplied. (1 Cor. 3:16; 6:19; and 2 Cor. 6:16) They do not refer to food or alcohol, but to divisions in the church (1 Cor. 3:16), joining oneself with a prostitute (1 Cor. 6:19), and “being yoked with unbelievers” (2 Cor. 6:16)


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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