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Re: Why did God command people to stone, scorch, and smite sinners to death?
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Re: Why did God command people to stone, scorch, and smite sinners to death?
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While God had the authority to command Moses to maim, torture, and kill men, women, and children, we must conclude it was not His will. And, as brought out elsewhere, Moses could have refused. Where in the Bile or the SOP does it say God commanded Moses to maim and torture men, women, and children? If Moses had refused to obey Jesus' command to "kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him" what do you think He would have done about it? It appears to me from your comment, that you do know of a place where it says that. Though maybe you are getting me on a technicality. You are correct, the Bible does not use the word, "maim".
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Re: Why did God command people to stone, scorch, and smite sinners to death?
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De 25:12 "then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her.
But then was it Moses' words or God through Moses?
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Re: Why did God command people to stone, scorch, and smite sinners to death?
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Speak to the rock.
He refused, and struck it.
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Re: Why did God command people to stone, scorch, and smite sinners to death?
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De 25:12 "then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her.
But then was it Moses' words or God through Moses? Oh yes, forgot about "an eye for eye" type commands and punishment. Is there any doubt Jesus is the one who commanded such laws?
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Re: Why did God command people to stone, scorch, and smite sinners to death?
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T: I've suggested over and over again that the way to tackle this question is to first form a foundation based on what God's character is, based on the life and revelation of Jesus Christ, and then come back to these questions, as opposed to starting with these questions
M: Okay, let's do it your way. Please take the lead. Present your case in a way that explains 1) why Jesus commanded godly people to kill ungodly people in battle, 2) why Jesus commanded godly people to execute capital punishment, and 3) why Jesus withdraws His protection and permits the forces of nature, evil men, and/or evil angels to kill men, women, and children.
The purpose of this exercise is to obtain a correct understanding of the three actions named above. That is, the "way to tackle this question is to first form a foundation based on what God's character is, based on the life and revelation of Jesus Christ, and then come back to these questions." I agree. Please take the lead. Thank you.
T: All right. Let's consider the revelation of God given by Christ through His life and teachings. What did He teach us regarding God? Let's start with the Sermon on the Mount. What did Christ teach regarding God? Christ taught that one should turn the other cheek, walk the second mile, give the shirt off one's back to the request of a coat, that one should love one's enemies. Is God like this?
M: Tom, all of the above is what you agreed to.
T: Yes, this indeed looks like what I agreed to, which is not what you've been suggesting. . . . So I am opposed to starting with the questions you keep asking. I think the problem lies with the whole mindset that would ask the question. I believe a correct understanding of God's character would result in the asking of different questions. For the last several pages of this thread I've been encouraging you to lead this study as you see fit. And, you've been doing a great job of presenting the Father and the Son in the best light. You've made it abundantly clear God is "merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin . . . ." Please continue to lead this study as you see fit. Thank you.
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Re: Why did God command people to stone, scorch, and smite sinners to death?
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De 25:12 "then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her.
But then was it Moses' words or God through Moses? Oh yes, forgot about "an eye for eye" type commands and punishment. Is there any doubt Jesus is the one who commanded such laws? Which brings us back to: M: For example, in what sense was He honoring freewill when He commanded Moses to utterly slay every man, woman, and child? K: The correct answer is: While God had the authority to command Moses to maim, torture, and kill men, women, and children, we must conclude it was not His will. And, as brought out elsewhere, Moses could have refused.
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Re: Why did God command people to stone, scorch, and smite sinners to death?
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Returning to MM's request that I lead the study as I see fit, based on the revelation of Jesus Christ, who said, "When you've seen Me, you've see the Father," what can we conclude that God is like?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Why did God command people to stone, scorch, and smite sinners to death?
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The Father's character includes at least the following:
Exouds
34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear [the guilty]; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth [generation].
Galatians
5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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Re: Why did God command people to stone, scorch, and smite sinners to death?
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Tom, how does knowing and believing the Father and the Son are merciful and gracious help us understand why God commanded godly people to kill ungodly people? If you're not ready to explain why, that's okay. If so, please continue to build your case. Thank you.
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