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Re: Annihilationism? [Re: Daryl] #191831
02/15/20 06:02 PM
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anhilated due to God, Satan, or Sin.[/quote]
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Job 1:16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and has burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell you.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Annihilationism? [Re: Rick H] #191838
02/16/20 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Rick H
I am seeing this idea that the pillars of Adventist beliefs and our doctrines supported by the testimonies and anchored soundly in the scripture, be cast aside, thrown away, discarded and they be "revisited" as they are from "theologically unqualified founders". It is being pushed subtly or even stronger by those who claim they are Adventist or "in the church", and yet want all the solid foundation Adventism is anchored on be swept away and dashed into pieces. Satan is angry that the truth given to us still stands and is using his old tactics to conquer and divide from within. We need to stand firm and more fully grasp what God gave His remnant church and people in these last days as many will come with what is claimed as 'new light' or higher 'scholarship' to sweep it all away. We need to follow what God says, not man and not be taken in or shaken off the path so near to the end.

ARE THE 28 FB a creed? they are being used that way!


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Annihilationism? [Re: Daryl] #191839
02/16/20 04:25 AM
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They try to provoke members and bring confusion by posting offensive insults, absurdities etc.., and deliberately try to get a response by attacking the Adventist church or its beliefs. And I am seeing these things spreading like a cancer in the SDA and SDA sections of religious forums, subtly or directly.

Re: Annihilationism? [Re: Daryl] #191861
02/19/20 07:56 AM
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Here is a study that reads almost as a personal testimony, that I came across on this, and its from a non-SDA...

"There are numerous scriptures that seem to clearly indicate that there is no eternal life for the wicked (not even in Hell). Here are quite a few that I found from the PC Study Bible after doing a search for the words "eternal life" in the concordance...

Matt 19:16?"And someone came to Him and said, 'Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?'"

This man spoke of obtaining eternal life. It wasn't as if he already possessed it. Preachers today would probably say to him "Son, you already have eternal life; it's just a matter of where you will spend it." But Jesus never said that.

Matt 19:29-30?"And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life."

They will inherit eternal life. This indicates that not everyone has it already.

Matt 25:46?"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

This verse admittedly uses the phrase "eternal punishment," but it is juxtaposed against the phrase "eternal life." Death by annihilation in the Lake of Fire could certainly be called "eternal punishment" because it is eternal in its consequences. Death on earth is only temporal because everyone will be raised again at the resurrection. Death in the Lake of Fire, however, is eternal: there is no reversing it and no coming back from it. If Jesus meant for the punishment to last eternally, he probably wouldn't have contrasted it with the phrase "eternal life" which is clearly meant only for believers. If Jesus had intended what most churches believe he did with this verse, he should have said, "Both the righteous and the unrighteous will go away to eternal life, but the unrighteous will spend it being tortured while the righteous spend theirs in paradise."

John 3:16?"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

This is the most quoted verse in the Bible and also one of the clearest accounts on the annihilation of the wicked. "...Whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." John didn't write that "...whoever believes in Him shall not have everlasting life in torment, but rather have everlasting life in Heaven." The way most churches interpret this, they mentally replace the very clear word "perish" with something that means nearly the opposite: "never perish."

John 3:36?"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

John 4:14?"...but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

John 5:24?"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

Once again, the words "eternal life" and "life" are associated strictly with the righteous. The word "death" is reserved for the unrighteous, who will not go to Heaven. It takes a good bit of theological gymnastics to continually reinterpret these divinely inspired Words of God to mean the exact opposite of their natural meanings. Since when does "death" mean "eternal life away from God"? If John intended to say that, he should have used almost any other word instead of "death."

John 6:40?"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

John 6:47?"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life."

John 6:54?"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."

John 6:68?"and Simon Peter answered Him, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.'"

John 10:28?"and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand."

Rom 5:21?"so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Rom 6:23?"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

This is another very popular verse which is quite clear in its teaching. "The wages of sin is death (not eternal life in torture), but the gift of God is eternal life..."

Gal 6:8?"For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life."

Once again, "eternal life" is from the Spirit and "corruption" is reaped from the flesh.

Titus 3:7?"so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life."

1 John 3:15?"Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."

No murderer has eternal life abiding in him. Most Christians claim that all people, saved and unsaved, have eternal life abiding in them, but this is certainly not what the scriptures teach.

1 John 5:11?"And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son."

Eternal life is only in God's son. The unrighteous do not have the gift of eternal life.

All of the above scriptures were reached in a search for the words "eternal life" in the PC Study Bible. The search actually returned 42 occurrences of the phrase in the NASU version of the Bible. I did not incorporate every single verse because many were essentially repeats of verses I did include (for instance, some of the Gospels record virtually the same teachings of Jesus) and a few others were slightly less clear. However, in the entire Bible, there is not a single verse that records anything to the affect that "everyone has eternal life; it's only a matter of where each will spend it." Yet this is what most of the church today believes."...https://www.truthaccordingtoscripture.com/documents/death/hell-torment-or-annihilation.php#.XkzF_cJYa1s

Re: Annihilationism? [Re: Daryl] #191864
02/19/20 01:34 PM
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I find that interesting coming from a non-SDA.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Annihilationism? [Re: Daryl] #191867
02/20/20 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
I find that interesting coming from a non-SDA.

I am finding many are coming to the realization of the biblical truths on their own, seems they are being brought to it by the Holy Spirit.

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