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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Rosangela] #135849
09/01/11 01:07 PM
09/01/11 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela


The idea is repeatedly emphasized - there is no prophetic period to be fulfilled after 1844. She says that "there should be time no longer" refers not to the end of this world's history (i.e., to Christ's coming), but to prophetic time.


Dear Rosangela,

Quote:
"Light is sown like seed for the righteous..." (Psalms 97:11)


Originally Posted By: EGW
In this our day, as in Christ's day, there will be a misreading and misinterpreting of the Scriptures. If the Jews had studied the Scriptures with earnest, prayerful, humble hearts, their searching would have been rewarded with a true knowledge of the time, and not only the time, but also the manner, of Christ's first appearing. They would not have ascribed the glories of the second appearing of Christ to His first advent. They had the testimony of Daniel; they had the testimony of Isaiah and the other prophets; they had the teaching of Moses; and here was Christ Himself in their midst, and still they were searching the Scriptures for evidence in regard to His coming. They were doing to Christ, at the same time, the very things that it had been prophesied they would do. They were so blinded that they knew not the time of His visitation, or what they were doing. Thus they were fulfilling the Scripture. {1SAT 289.2}


Thus we are to expect that in our day, "there will be a misreading and misinterpreting of the Scriptures." But if you look at that warning carefully, it is in the context of misunderstanding time: "their searching would have been rewarded with a true knowledge of the time, and not only the time...." And as she compares our misreading to that of the Jews, EGW repeats "They were so blinded that they knew not the time of His visitation, or what they were doing. Thus they were fulfilling the Scripture."

Time is not the issue. Misreading the Scriptures was and is the issue. The consequence of misreading the Scriptures was for the Jews to NOT know "the time of His visitation." And from the context, "In this our day, as in Christ's day," the "misreading and misinterpreting of the Scriptures" will blind us to "a true knowledge of the time" of our visitation.

Time is not the issue for "time will never again be a test." {ExV 61.2} And "The time will never come when the shadow of Satan will not be cast athwart our pathway. Thus the enemy seeks to hide the light shining from the Sun of Righteousness. But our faith should pierce this shadow." {FLB 156.4}

Originally Posted By: EGW
The prophecies of Daniel and of John are to be understood. They interpret each other. They give to the world truths which every one should understand. These prophecies are to be witnesses in the world. By their fulfillment in these last days they will explain themselves. {7BC 949.6}


By his fulfillment in our day, we have Daniel explaining himself. When "In this our day, as in Christ's day, there will be a misreading and misinterpreting of the Scriptures" the book of Daniel will not be understood by those who are misreading and misinterpreting Scriptures as it was not understood by the Jews in their day : "They had the testimony of Daniel" but "they knew not the time of His visitation."

Sister White's terminology can at times be ambiguous. Moving a comma, or taking a quote out of context without comparing it with many other statements on the same topic can make it appear as though she is saying the opposite of what she actually is saying.

Originally Posted By: EGW
This time, which the Angel declares with a solemn oath, is not the end of this world’s history, neither of probationary time, but of prophetic time, which would precede the advent of our Lord. That is, the people will not have another message upon definite time. After this period of time, reaching from 1842 to 1844, there can be no definite tracing of the prophetic time. The longest reckoning reaches to the autumn of 1844. {CTr 344.5}

When is "the end of this world’s history"? At Christ's coming.

"The people will not have another message upon definite time." The message in 1844 was based on an understanding before the fact that the time was about to be fulfilled. The message began years before the 1844 fulfillment arrived. In the endtime there is not to be a time prophecy pointing to a date, but after the date has arrived, it will be possible to understand the definite time relating to that date.

Originally Posted By: EGW
Study the Revelation in connection with Daniel; for history will be repeated. {SpTA07 55.1}


So the end of prophetic time is not the end of this world's history and history is to be repeated, but your reading of Scripture divorces it from the prophecy that predicted the history.

Daniel and Revelation cannot explain themselves by their fulfillment in these last days to those that are "misreading and misinterpreting of the Scriptures."

By not understanding the time of our visitation and making time the issue rather than understanding the time and anticipating the proclamation of the third angel's message you cannot give the right message NOW! By not understanding that the time has been fulfilled now, the Lord's coming is put off or delayed, which is the action of an unfaithful servant who declares "the Lord delays His coming."

Originally Posted By: EGW
While God has given ample evidence for faith, he will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon, will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light. {GC88 527.2}


Originally Posted By: Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: His child] #135850
09/01/11 02:38 PM
09/01/11 02:38 PM
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The opposite is true, His Child. Those who are waiting for time prophecies which were already fulfilled to be fulfilled again, can't believe Christ will come before these prophecies are supposedly fulfilled, and so will be caught unprepared. I live every day as if it was the last one of my life. Christ will come soon - the signs He predicted show that. There are yet some prophecies from Daniel and Revelation to be fulfilled, but the final movements will be rapid ones - they will not be attached to time.

The calamities by land and sea, the unsettled state of society, the alarms of war, are portentous. They forecast approaching events of the greatest magnitude. The agencies of evil are combining their forces and consolidating. They are strengthening for the last great crisis. Great changes are soon to take place in our world, and the final movements will be rapid ones.—Testimonies for the Church 9:11 (1909).

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Rosangela] #135864
09/02/11 01:39 AM
09/02/11 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
Quote:
Thank you for your precision

I'm not sure if you are familiar with the Julian Date system:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/JulianDate.php
It's the system used by historians, astronomers, etc. It already takes into account leap years and all that, and if you choose 12 o'clock you don't have to deal with decimals.


Thanks I went to the site. But my brain is to tired to put forth the effort to figure it out tonight. Tomorrow is a new day.

God is so good!


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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: His child] #135873
09/02/11 01:06 PM
09/02/11 01:06 PM
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In fact it's not complicated.
If you wish to calculate 2300 days from 17 May 2005, you insert the data: 17 May 2005 12 o'clock and hit "compute Julian date." You obtain JD 2453508. Then you add 2300 to this number and you obtain 2455808. You insert this and hit "compute calendar date," and you will obtain 03 September 2011.

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Rosangela] #135877
09/03/11 01:38 AM
09/03/11 01:38 AM
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Dear Rosangela,

As I pondered you reply I was reminded of a conversation Jesus had in Luke 10:
28 And he [Jesus] said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
29 But he, willing to justify himself, said....

Originally Posted By: Rosangela
The opposite is true, His Child. Those who are waiting for time prophecies which were already fulfilled to be fulfilled again, can't believe Christ will come before these prophecies are supposedly fulfilled, and so will be caught unprepared.


Your reply begins with assumed things that are not based on fact. It is not an either or situation: it is a both groups are in danger of loosing their first love.

In my study of Daniel and Revelation I understood the historisist view. Then I encountered their final fulfillment. Not looking for times, I found them. Then I confirmed them in the Spirit of Prophecy. While seeking to understand the word of God, the Holy Spirit led from light unto light. Thus the crux of the matter are God's people so satisfied with the light that they have that they fail to "follow the light" as it moves to greater light?

Originally Posted By: Rosangela

I live every day as if it was the last one of my life. Christ will come soon - the signs He predicted show that. There are yet some prophecies from Daniel and Revelation to be fulfilled, but the final movements will be rapid ones - they will not be attached to time.

The calamities by land and sea, the unsettled state of society, the alarms of war, are portentous. They forecast approaching events of the greatest magnitude. The agencies of evil are combining their forces and consolidating. They are strengthening for the last great crisis. Great changes are soon to take place in our world, and the final movements will be rapid ones.—Testimonies for the Church 9:11 (1909).




Originally Posted By: EGW
The condemnation that will fall upon the inhabitants of the earth in this day will be because of their rejection of light. Our condemnation in the judgment will not result from the fact that we have lived in error, but from the fact that we have neglected Heaven-sent opportunities for discovering truth. The means of becoming conversant with the truth are within the reach of all; but, like the indulgent, selfish king, we give more attention to the things that charm the ear, and please the eye, and gratify the palate, than to the things that enrich the mind, the divine treasures of truth. It is through the truth that we may answer the great question, "What must I do to be saved?" {BEcho, September 17, 1894 par. 5}



What is the Present Truth for our day that is being rejected?

1)Daniel 7:17 identifies 4 KINGS from the EARTH as the endtime meaning of the 4-beasts from the SEA

2)Revelation 13 and Daniel 7 use the same symbolism
a)earth is symbolic in Daniel 7 and Revelation 13
b)the earth is symbolic of the USA that is the power that rained fire down from Heaven
c)Truman did this in WWII on 2 cities in Japan
d)the USA will do it again to deceive the nations
e)the USA has Presidents rather than kings

3)Pope John-Paul II is the head of the papal beast that was wounded to death and his deadly wound was healed Revelation 13
a)he continued 42 months after 9/11/01 and died 4/2/05
b)his teaching of peace issued 5/31/98 Dies Domini was the final fulfillment of Daniel 9:25

4)President George Walker Bush II was put into office by a Protestant agenda and was thus THE religio-political official that was anointed as the endtime prince of the covenant at the appointed time (1/20/01)in fulfillment of prophecy
a)he reached his hand across the gulf and grasped the hand of the Roman power,
Pope John-Paul II in 2004
b)he reached his hand across the gulf and grasped the hand of Spiritualism:
"his holiness the Dali Lama" in 2007
c)he reached his hand across the gulf and grasped the hand of the Roman Power,
Pope Benedict XVI in 2008
d)he repudiated the principles of the constitution by holding people indefinitely without trials, etc.

5)Bush II failed at the appointed time (9/1/01)when he returned from his vacation and was not informed about the man in custody that was later learned to be the missing 9/11/01 hijacker

6)Bush II confirmed the covenant (Constitution) with many for 1 week, 9/17/01 to 9/23/01

7)In the midst of the week (9/20/01) he addressed Congress and:
a)set up the abomination that makes desolate
b)at which time, he did away with Christ's Sacrifice
c)at which time, he did away with the oblation

8)Exactly 1290-days from the day that President Bush II set up the abomination that makes desolate and did away with the sacrifice and oblation (9/20/01) Pope John-Paul II died
a)Daniel 12:11 1290-days daily taken away
b)Daily links to continuity, continually, continuously
c) John-Paul II is identified as the one who continues 42-months

9)Exactly 45-days after 4/2/05 it was revealed the Bush II lied to Congress
to take America into war
a)On day 1335 after 9/20/01 the truth about the endtime counterfeit prince of the covenant was revealed
b)that he was lying

10)President Obama is a continuation of President Bush II

11)President Obama is the last President identified in Bible prophecy.
a)Daniel 7 identifies 4 Sea-beasts
b)Kingdoms: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome in 2 phases - pagan and papal Rome
c)Daniel 7:17 gives heaven's endtime interpretation
d)the 4-beasts are 4-KINGS that shall arise from the earth, USA
e)Presidents: Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II in 2 phases - Bush II and Obama

12)Pope Benedict XVI is the last pope identified in Bible prophecy.

13)Christ comes during the Obama Presidency
a)Daniel 7:11 4th beast (4th king from the earth) body given to the burning flame
b)Christ glory at His Advent will be like a consuming fire
c)Daniel 7:12, the other 3-beasts (kings from the earth) are allotted a season and a time
d)A season is 1/4th of a year (360/4=90-days)
e)A day is a year in Bible prophecy=90-years
f)A time in Bible prophecy is a year
g)A season and a time is 90+1=91-years
h)this season and time is a caveat explaining something before Christ comes
because it cannot happen after His Second Advent
i)On 9/11/01 President Reagan was in his 91st year
j)On 9/11/01 Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton all were alive and all had their dominion taken away
(they were not President any more)
k)On 9/11/01 Bush II was the President in office that is to be consumed by the burning flame
and President Obama is a continuation of President George (6) Walker (6) Bush II (6) [666] as papal Rome (666) was a continuation of pagan Rome

14)The mark of the beast is imminent

15)There is a world to be warned and a Church appointed to do it, but they ARE not sounding the right warning message at the right time.

16)If Laodicea does not wake-up soon, they will wake-up too late

Originally Posted By: EGW
Not one in a hundred among us is doing anything beyond engaging in common, worldly enterprises. We are not half awake to the worth of the souls for whom Christ died.-- Testimonies, vol. 8, p. 148.


Originally Posted By: EGW
We have little enough of Christ's character. We need it all through our ranks, We must reveal that love which dwelt in Jesus. Then we shall keep the commandment [that we love one another], which not one in a hundred of those who claim to believe the truth for this time are keeping. . . . {7MR 389.3}


But this is just rehashing what was published with the facts and Scriptural texts, and Spirit of Prophecy confirmation in the Book Echoes of Doomsday (Earthquake, Tsunami, Meltdown, & the Sunday Law Solution) that was published 4/27/2011

loudcry.2007@gmail.com

Last edited by His child; 09/03/11 01:45 AM.

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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: His child] #135884
09/03/11 11:04 AM
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Based on the date given by Rosangela, which I understand is the corrected date from the October 7, 2011 date, seeing today is September 3, 2011, what is supposed to happen today and how are we to know that it did indeed happen?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Daryl] #135886
09/03/11 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: His Child
10) President Obama is a continuation of President Bush II

His Child, why wouldn't a new President in 2013 or 2017 simply be a continuation of President Bush? And so on in 2021, 2025, etc?

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Mountain Man] #135887
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His Child, what is the significance of the 2300 day prophecy and 3 Sept 2011?

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Mountain Man] #135888
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His Child, how many people agree with your interpretation of prophecy? Are you the only one? I understand numbers doesn't matter, but it seems unlikely the final warning message will be rejected by all save you and a small handful.

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: Daryl] #135892
09/04/11 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl F
Based on the date given by Rosangela, which I understand is the corrected date from the October 7, 2011 date, seeing today is September 3, 2011, what is supposed to happen today and how are we to know that it did indeed happen?


I don't know if anything is supposed to happen Today.
I do know that it has been 2300-days from 17 May 2005 and since the 1335-day count ended on 17 May, the count for the 2300-days could begin the next day and actually they would end tomorrow.

But we are told that by their "fulfillment" Daniel and Revelation will explain themselves.

The facts that I have shared, I know to be true.

And as I watch and pray and study the Scriptures and Spirit of Prophecy, God fills in the facts in His own time.

A hurricane is hitting LA today and Tomorrow it will be worse.

Is it a coincidence that on the 2300th day after the 1335-days ended that America is being struck by Hurricane Lee?

Originally Posted By: EGW
The calamities by land and sea, the unsettled state of society, the alarms of war, are portentous. They forecast approaching events of the greatest magnitude. The agencies of evil are combining their forces and consolidating. They are strengthening for the last great crisis. Great changes are soon to take place in our world, and the final movements will be rapid ones.—Testimonies for the Church 9:11 (1909).


This may well be a WAKE-up call to God's people to alert them to the time that they are living and to the responsibility that God has placed upon them to sound the final warning? The mark of the beast is to be upon us soon and very soon! That is the 3rd Angel's message.

Don't take it! That is a matter of life and death.


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